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Hoping that Greg Wallace is forgiven, rather than cancelled

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Toodaloo1567 · 03/12/2024 18:00

Just a few concerns about this whole GW thing. Caveat: I do not condone behaviour that is illegal.

  1. It does kind of look like a whole bunch of privileged TV luvvies are clamouring to denounce someone with really quite humble roots. I grew up in London and am constantly paranoid about how I come across to my mainly middle class colleagues. The thing is, middle class and privileged people operate by a set of unwritten rules. It’s like a full time job in itself trying to emulate their way of interacting, lest you be called out for not being ‘nice’ enough or doing something odd to them, like forgetting to start an email with ‘Hope you are well?’. Only, they won’t let you know to your face that you’ve accidentally been too sharp or direct, or maybe that your joke wasn’t woke enough - no, that stuff just goes straight to HR.
  2. The equality act 2010 makes it the employer’s responsibility to prevent sexual harassment in the workplace. Why wasn’t all this lewd stuff dealt with? GW said that no one had made a formal complaint. Again, it makes me wonder whether the middle class luvvies just didn’t want to call things out at the time because it’s ‘beneath’ them to even consider doing something about it.
  3. Even though he’s apologised, the public doesn’t think that’s good enough. It’s like only perfect people get to keep their careers. Woe betide you if you said something crass on twitter 10 years ago, or got caught speeding or something.

Of course, lots of you would want to shout me down over this, but you know what? We’re all mums here and many of us have sons. Boys and young men do and say crass things. GW hasn’t raped or systematically abused anyone. It doesn’t make what’s happened right, but I also don’t think it’s right that swarms of pitch-fork waving strangers get to play judge, jury and executioner. I’m a big fan of forgiveness. Am I the only one?

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WooleyMunky · 04/12/2024 21:23

@Toodaloo1567
Oh dear...

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy47dz8yp4vo

the80sweregreat · 04/12/2024 21:25

Poor ghost writer :(
What a sleaze bag

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 04/12/2024 21:26

For the hard of thinking posters who don't have time to read or watch the news but are confused about the fuss over a few blokey jokes.

Hoping that Greg Wallace is forgiven, rather than cancelled
MurdoMunro · 04/12/2024 21:27

Just read it @Middlemarch123 thanks for the heads up. Our friends will be back soon to exclaim ‘why did she not report him at the time’ ‘why did she go to his flat if he was such a creep’ soon enough. The man couldn’t possibly be a wrong un it’s always these women making into something it’s not, making it up entirely. Feminism has gone to far, you can’t say nothing these days.

Cancel the fucker and all the others that swim in his stinking pool.

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 04/12/2024 21:27

And for the faux naive ones who just don't understand why nobody spoke up even though they did.

Hoping that Greg Wallace is forgiven, rather than cancelled
Middlemarch123 · 04/12/2024 21:32

I’m never eating Eton Mess again. Ironic because the BBC are now reporting stuff that the BBC enabled.

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 04/12/2024 21:33

Middlemarch123 · 04/12/2024 21:32

I’m never eating Eton Mess again. Ironic because the BBC are now reporting stuff that the BBC enabled.

Well they should be very used to that by now.

AgaNewbie · 04/12/2024 21:37

It can’t be that hard to understand that the reason more people start reporting once one does , is that there is safety in numbers.

MurdoMunro · 04/12/2024 21:44

BBC News broke the story at the same time as, I think The Telegraph, last week@AgaNewbie. They haven’t just joined in.

AgaNewbie · 04/12/2024 21:46

MurdoMunro · 04/12/2024 21:44

BBC News broke the story at the same time as, I think The Telegraph, last week@AgaNewbie. They haven’t just joined in.

Sorry I wasn’t clear - I meant the reason more women start reporting occasions of SA….. is that because it feels safer when others start reporting and that they feel more able to do so also

hope that makes sense 🤦‍♀️

MurdoMunro · 04/12/2024 21:49

Oh crap @AgaNewbie I tagged the wrong person! Sorry about that. You are of course absolutely right there 👍

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 04/12/2024 21:50

@AgaNewbie I knew what you meant and I agree with you.

But seeing some of the responses, particularly at the start of this it's easy to see why women don't easily come forward, "can't take a joke, should be flattered, can't take a compliment, can't say anything these days. Bloody snowflakes". And depressingly a lot of that was just from other women.

Northernladdette · 04/12/2024 21:51

MurdoMunro · 04/12/2024 20:37

2 pages would’ve done. Even just the first page. Or a paragraph or two beyond a newspaper headline. If you haven’t got the outline information about the topic and you don’t care what people think why on earth would you enter a conversation about it? For someone so short of time it feels like a pretty big waste of your time 🤷‍♀️

If you say so 😂

PandoraSox · 04/12/2024 22:05

Oh god, the poor ghostwriter. How disgusting.

PandoraSox · 04/12/2024 22:07

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 04/12/2024 21:27

And for the faux naive ones who just don't understand why nobody spoke up even though they did.

She has probably broken her contract by speaking out now, but no publisher would pursue her for it. Different story back in 2012. Poor woman.

BIossomtoes · 04/12/2024 22:10

PandoraSox · 04/12/2024 22:07

She has probably broken her contract by speaking out now, but no publisher would pursue her for it. Different story back in 2012. Poor woman.

The contract was to write the book so it expired at publication. What a bloody awful time she had. I wonder how his wife feels reading all this.

Eetzup · 04/12/2024 22:24

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 04/12/2024 21:26

For the hard of thinking posters who don't have time to read or watch the news but are confused about the fuss over a few blokey jokes.

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God, he's fucking disgusting. This is Weinstein territory.

I'm so sick of sleazy bullshit from inadequate men and the pathetic whataboutery of women who try to excuse them.

PandoraSox · 04/12/2024 22:34

BIossomtoes · 04/12/2024 22:10

The contract was to write the book so it expired at publication. What a bloody awful time she had. I wonder how his wife feels reading all this.

I know a ghostwriter, she is not allowed to say who she has worked with, even after publication (I have worked a little bit in the industry).

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 04/12/2024 22:36

Eetzup · 04/12/2024 22:24

God, he's fucking disgusting. This is Weinstein territory.

I'm so sick of sleazy bullshit from inadequate men and the pathetic whataboutery of women who try to excuse them.

Knackering isn't it. And every day there's more and more of it. But no doubt the cool girls will be along so to tell us to unclench because "jokes and/or free speech" 🙄🙄.

RedToothBrush · 04/12/2024 22:38

There WERE complaints raised about his behaviour whilst he was on strictly.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tv/32118057/gregg-wallace-complaint-strictly-sexual-remarks/?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=sunmaintwitter&utm_source=Twitter
It is understood at least one member of the hit show made the situation clear to Strictly bosses and held meetings with them over his behaviour early on during the 2014 series.

But Wallace, who last week stepped down as MasterChef co-host amid a string of sexual harassment allegations, continued competing before he was the first celeb eliminated in week two.

The Sun’s latest revelations raise fresh questions for the Beeb — both over its handling of Wallace and other abuse allegations on scandal-hit Strictly.
A show insider said yesterday: “The situation around his behaviour was made very clear to Strictly staff

“It included sexual comments which made people feel incredibly uncomfortable. It created a very strained atmosphere backstage.

“As I understand there were a number of meetings to discuss the issues.

“In the end, Wallace remained on the show but not for much longer, given he was eliminated so quickly.”

Our source added: “Why did Strictly bosses allow Wallace to stay on the show? That’s one of the many questions the BBC must now answer.”

BBC had complaints about Gregg's 'sexual remarks' on Strictly 10yrs ago

BBC chiefs received complaints about Gregg Wallace’s lewd behaviour on Strictly ten years ago, but let him stay on the show. Wallace, 60, who was paired with dancer Aliona Vilani, was accused of ma…

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tv/32118057/gregg-wallace-complaint-strictly-sexual-remarks

WooleyMunky · 04/12/2024 22:39

I get men defending men - that's what they do.
But women defending men like Greg Wallace.
For fuck's bastard cunting sake.

PandoraSox · 04/12/2024 22:56

WooleyMunky · 04/12/2024 22:39

I get men defending men - that's what they do.
But women defending men like Greg Wallace.
For fuck's bastard cunting sake.

Don't hold back @WooleyMunky !

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 04/12/2024 22:56

@WooleyMunky For fuck's bastard cunting sake.

Beautifully put, you wordsmith! 😂

FuckItItsFine · 04/12/2024 23:10

When will people understand that the men committing “low level” (😒) sexual crimes like verbal sexual harassment, “jokey” indecent exposure etc are pushing boundaries because of what they are really aiming for - sexual assault, rape, and worse. Talk about hiding in plain sight. Only the people who see it turn a blind eye until it’s too late. It makes me so angry. The BBC, the Met, the C of E. Covering for their fucking mates.

RedToothBrush · 04/12/2024 23:13

Eetzup · 04/12/2024 22:24

God, he's fucking disgusting. This is Weinstein territory.

I'm so sick of sleazy bullshit from inadequate men and the pathetic whataboutery of women who try to excuse them.

Yes I believe we are probably going towards a Weinstein style issue at this point.

Quote from this article by Katie Razzall
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj90jp7yjy7o

Philippa Childs, the head of union Bectu, told Radio 4 on Wednesday "the time has come for the whole industry to come together and accept that there does need to be some independent scrutiny of how broadcasters [and] production companies work, to try and address this endemic problem".

The Wallace story may be a wake-up call for the production sector. For years, we’ve heard about junior staff feeling unable to speak truth to power in these sorts of scenarios.

Now, some women are refusing to stay silent. If the sector doesn’t get its house in order, it could be career limiting not just for high profile names but for executives as well.

I think it's Bectu who backed the collective Dawn Elrick complaint on behalf of a number of women in 2022

Of all the articles above this, I think this is the key one, and is ultimately the one that raises some of the biggest issues:
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2024/nov/30/gregg-wallace-behaviour-letter-bbc-2022-masterchef-presenter

Dawn Elrick, the director and producer who sent the 2022 letter on behalf of other women who had contacted her, said the BBC suggested each individual would have to make their own, direct complaint to the corporation.

“This is very tricky for freelancers to do without identifying themselves, which makes life extremely tricky in the freelance world,” she said. “Placing the onus on individual employees/freelancers means they failed to see that I was trying to tell them there was a pattern of alleged behaviour.”

Elrick, who submitted her letter with the support of industry union Bectu, had received the allegations against Wallace through her Instagram account, Shit Men in TV Have Said to Me, which has become a place for workers in the UK film and TV industry to share instances of workplace sexism and sexual harassment. She had received multiple submissions about Wallace and felt compelled to report this to the BBC.

Elrick said that, soon after sending the letter, she also submitted the allegations to the BBC via Navex Global, an external whistleblowing service. She said she had received no further contact with regards to that report.

Elrick said the BBC’s lack of action showed there is “no satisfactory means of reporting sexual harassment and bullying within the TV industry”.

A BBC spokesperson told the Observer: “If issues are raised with us we have robust processes in place to deal with them swiftly and appropriately. We will always listen if people want to make us aware of something directly.

The key question Katie Razzall asks in the first article is about the BBC post 2018.

But BBC News has not been told whether the BBC executives involved in Wallace’s shows were made aware of any complaints about him after 2018 and the conversation between him and Phillips. If they weren’t, there is some plausible deniability that they thought the issues raised had been sorted.

Then again, that defence may only go so far. There are wider questions about how much a TV executive should probe, if they are aware that rumours have begun to swirl.

Popbitch, the weekly celebrity newsletter that makes its way into the inboxes of most media executives, had run stories involving allegations about Wallace’s language and behaviour in the past, for example. When does the odd gossipy claim about talent misbehaviour become an issue bosses should take a look at?

Should more questions have been asked by the BBC after 2018?

Remember Elrick's collective union backed complaint is dated 2022...

The BBC has a union shaped issue here about institutional level failure to deal with sexual harassment of women.

That makes it a scandal comparable to Weinstein.

It's very firmly NOT about Wallace as an individual at this point and very firmly about how women in television have no power to deal with complaints of this nature, even if they try and there is no joined up oversight between individual production companies and major broadcasters.

The BBC have got the heating on this however Gregg Wallace did a production for C4 last year and one of the productions caught up in this was C5.

I also really don't think it will be an issue restricted to the main TV channels. This will be a broadcasting issue for all the paid channels too.

I know what I've heard privately about the industry. It makes my skin crawl.

This is a much bigger deal than a lot of people want to admit.

Gregg Wallace on MasterChef

Gregg Wallace: What are the implications for the BBC?

Culture editor Katie Razzall explores what the allegations against the MasterChef host mean for the corporation.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj90jp7yjy7o

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