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To be so upset I’m missing my child’s nativity?

318 replies

charmonachain · 01/12/2024 15:38

Teacher myself … I really wish I’d just called in sick to be honest which I’ll probably be flamed for but I am a tad gutted. Saying so here so I don’t spend tomorrow swearing.

OP posts:
usererror99 · 01/12/2024 19:42

Calling in sick is ridiculous

Lots of people who do jobs other than teaching can't always make their kids nativity. That's life as a working parent

User79853257976 · 01/12/2024 19:43

usererror99 · 01/12/2024 19:42

Calling in sick is ridiculous

Lots of people who do jobs other than teaching can't always make their kids nativity. That's life as a working parent

They can book holiday.

Littletreefrog · 01/12/2024 19:49

User79853257976 · 01/12/2024 19:43

They can book holiday.

Not always. December is often a black out month for holidays, especially if you work in retail.

Anewuser · 01/12/2024 19:53

PuffinCliffs · 01/12/2024 16:53

I’m a TA and I’d happily cover class for my teacher to watch their child’s nativity.

Your own time? Unpaid?

Yep, every year for our Year six children’s evening performance. I would cover the class for the morning/afternoon if SLT authorised it.

Quercus30 · 01/12/2024 20:06

The reason why we teach is because we like children and we want to do our best for them. So when we are constantly giving up our time unpaid and going above and beyond, being told that's it's the right thing to do for the children, and making up for all the stuff that parents don't do, it's a massive kick in the teeth when we are told we can't attend something that's important to us and we know is the right thing to do as a parent. We see everyday how parents being uninvolved in school life affects their children.
I was told I couldn't attend my daughter's parents eve because it clashed with a staff meeting. It properly pissed me off. I get your frustration OP.

Zae134 · 01/12/2024 20:08

WhitbyBee · 01/12/2024 15:49

That is not what parental leave is !

Actually our parental leave policy allows for just this kind of thing. We can put in a request to see a nativity, sports day, go to open day at our childs new school etc. Its at the discretion of our SLT

Zae134 · 01/12/2024 20:11

mumedu · 01/12/2024 19:06

Prioritise

Ah dont be that guy, we all knew what they meant. It just makes you look petty.

LavenderHaze19 · 01/12/2024 20:11

It’s rubbish OP but there are loads of other working parents in the same situation. I know that doesn’t help you not to feel sad but you are far from the only one.

My son’s nativity is at 2pm on a Tuesday. I vividly remember in the 90s that nativities/other shows at my primary school were always in the evening. I can’t remember how late, but I definitely remember having tea at home then walking to school for the play in the dark.

I just find it odd that the hours were much more working-parent-friendly in an era (and also an area) where a really large percentage of families had a SAHM. I think I was one of only two or three kids in my class who had a working mum. Perhaps it’s because it was for the convenience of dads in a society where male convenience was prioritised.

Out of hours wouldn’t be an option for a pre-school anyway.

Quercus30 · 01/12/2024 20:20

If it was in the evening, that would require staff to work unpaid out of the goodness of their own heart.

Gemma273 · 01/12/2024 20:20

Littletreefrog · 01/12/2024 19:49

Not always. December is often a black out month for holidays, especially if you work in retail.

But most full time positions in retail are 5 days over 7, unfortunately OP doesn't have the choice to change one of her working days to the weekend.

Glasgow1996 · 01/12/2024 20:20

Nurseynursey3 · 01/12/2024 18:54

Really, that’s what you would suggest? Doesn’t matter about the school struggling to find cover, as long as the OP can watch her child’s Nativity. I expect you would suggest this for every parent? Yes surgeon’s lists can be cancelled, doctors can cancel consultations, nurseries can close, nurses can go off ‘sick’ leaving no one to look after the patients etc.!

Do you think teachers are special and should be exempt from having to work, when their children are performing? I only managed to watch 3 or 4 of the shows my children were in, whilst they were at Primary School. It was just bad luck, that I had to work (I needed the money, or there wouldn’t have been a Christmas for my kids), I didn’t expect special treatment.

I expect you would have been fine about it, if you were supposed to have an operation, but it was cancelled because the Surgeon decided to take the time off to watch their child’s Nativity!

Unfortunately the way I see it clearly different to you, anything is clearly round the corner as you prob read the news everyday why miss something so precious with your kids and think back why did I not just take the day off, have we always just to work our arse off constantly and miss out on everything. Anyone could die tomorrow or whenever anything could happen and regret anything think your taking it massively to far Mrs miss out nativity play

Galdownunder · 01/12/2024 20:23

The majority of parents working don’t go to school events. I never did I have a 9-5 type job and so I couldn’t go. Too bad that’s life.

Allswellthatendswelll · 01/12/2024 20:27

Quercus30 · 01/12/2024 20:06

The reason why we teach is because we like children and we want to do our best for them. So when we are constantly giving up our time unpaid and going above and beyond, being told that's it's the right thing to do for the children, and making up for all the stuff that parents don't do, it's a massive kick in the teeth when we are told we can't attend something that's important to us and we know is the right thing to do as a parent. We see everyday how parents being uninvolved in school life affects their children.
I was told I couldn't attend my daughter's parents eve because it clashed with a staff meeting. It properly pissed me off. I get your frustration OP.

To not let you go to a parents evening is just so ridiculous when schools complain about parents not being engaged in their children's education.

I know not everyone in every job can get time off but of all the careers that should be family friendly teaching is one. It's also predominantly women in primary at least and it's often male heads saying no.

There's been a bit in the press about mothers with young children leaving teaching in droves and this must be a factor. Just ridiculously short sighted to lose experienced staff.

icecreamsundaeno5 · 01/12/2024 20:28

Galdownunder · 01/12/2024 20:23

The majority of parents working don’t go to school events. I never did I have a 9-5 type job and so I couldn’t go. Too bad that’s life.

It's not a race to the bottom. Most people are able to arrange annual leave or an early finish for an event that is important to them or their child, with enough notice and planning. I certainly always did my best to be there and am so glad I didn't tell my children 'that's life.' It doesn't have to be, if it matters to you, in most cases.

anotherfinemess1 · 01/12/2024 20:29

OP, find a different school. I understand the point about not all parents being able to take time off for things like this, but a couple of hours of a teacher’s day is not a life or death situation AND schools are specifically set up for the good of children. In the school where I teach (and my previous one, where I was Head), there would have been no question - of course the teacher much see their own child’s nativity. That way the child is happy (really important for all children, not just our own school’s children) and the teacher is more likely to support another colleague another time, or to go the extra mile when it’s needed. Simply good people management!! I get really cross at some school leaders: kids are the priority!

Allswellthatendswelll · 01/12/2024 20:31

icecreamsundaeno5 · 01/12/2024 20:28

It's not a race to the bottom. Most people are able to arrange annual leave or an early finish for an event that is important to them or their child, with enough notice and planning. I certainly always did my best to be there and am so glad I didn't tell my children 'that's life.' It doesn't have to be, if it matters to you, in most cases.

Yeah I've done quite a few nativities and I struggle to think of many or any children who haven't had a parent there. This is in London and the home counties, deprieved and affluent areas.

ByDenimSheep · 01/12/2024 20:33

Allswellthatendswelll · 01/12/2024 20:27

To not let you go to a parents evening is just so ridiculous when schools complain about parents not being engaged in their children's education.

I know not everyone in every job can get time off but of all the careers that should be family friendly teaching is one. It's also predominantly women in primary at least and it's often male heads saying no.

There's been a bit in the press about mothers with young children leaving teaching in droves and this must be a factor. Just ridiculously short sighted to lose experienced staff.

I’ve had to miss parents evenings for staff meetings. It’s on the directed time calendar don’t you know.

mumedu · 01/12/2024 20:50

Zae134 · 01/12/2024 20:11

Ah dont be that guy, we all knew what they meant. It just makes you look petty.

Not a guy

NewName24 · 01/12/2024 20:50

charmonachain · 01/12/2024 18:40

Ha ha hahahaha.

What is really annoying is that I’ve been in on my days off to try to help out lately; never again!

........and that's what this SLT / HT have yet to learn.

They (the school) need to give as well as take, or their staff stop giving.

SundayDread · 01/12/2024 20:56

I worked for a trust that was awful but teachers were always allowed out for first nativities.
Not support staff though, which is one of the reasons it was awful.

Covidwoes · 01/12/2024 21:02

Ugh that's really crappy OP. I'm a teacher and my school wouldn't hesitate in terms of letting me go to my child's performance. Poor show from SLT.

Readmorebooks40 · 01/12/2024 21:43

This is awful. I'm a primary school teacher and my son's nativity is this week. I'm getting time out to watch it no problem. I remember last year one of our teachers daughter's nativity was on the same day as our nativity. She was still able to go and see her daughter as there were enough of us to run the show without her. As teachers and a school we are so thankful for the support parents give us by attending these events and we see how much it means to their children therefore it is extremely hypocritical and short sighted for a principal not to extend the same courtesy to their staff. I'm sorry your principal isn't supportive. You have every right to be annoyed.

User79853257976 · 01/12/2024 23:20

Littletreefrog · 01/12/2024 19:49

Not always. December is often a black out month for holidays, especially if you work in retail.

Probably okay for an hour for a nativity.

Mama2many73 · 01/12/2024 23:30

ByDenimSheep · 01/12/2024 15:51

It sucks. It really does but it’s part of being a teacher. We both teach - we always sent a grandparent it’s the same for your child but it’s not the same for you.
The only thing I ever saw was the year 6 leavers production as it was in the evening and didn’t clash with my school.

Exactly the same here. Both of us teachers so a grandparent would go.
I was at a small school so few staff to cover at all. Dh is at large primary with nearly 40 teachers /TA. They do try and offer it but as most staff have family they could be missing several staff on days when their own school needed them in ie their class performances.

I always used it to support kids in my class who got upset when their parents couldn't get time off. I
I'd say something like 'I know. It's sad. I'm a mammy and I can't get time off work to see DCs play but GP/Aunty/friend is going' . Several times I'd then be asked where did I work! 😂😂

Cromwell1905 · 02/12/2024 07:22

charmonachain · 01/12/2024 17:53

Believe me, I’ve thought about it (leaving) but it’s fairly good pay, part time, school holidays. I just hate it when stuff like this happens. It’s different too if it was ‘I’m really sorry, we’d love to let you but …’ but it isn’t, it’s that blanket ‘no.’

Do you get to spend your 13 weeks of school holidays with your child ? We had to take separate holidays to cover childcare and pay for the overlap. I would far rather miss my child’s nativity than have to put them into a holiday club when their friends are at home with their parents. I hate to sound harsh but when you chose to be a teacher you knew that term time you need to be in school and you also knew you had all the holidays off and I guess that the psd were added up t9 see which was worth it. None of us as parents can have all the time we want with our children we make decisions on all sorts of things looking at the trade off.

i would suggest that if you are at the point of thinking that you would pretend to be sick that you are probably in the wrong job.

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