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To refuse to drive DW to an interview

353 replies

QuaintSquid · 30/11/2024 08:13

This issue is currently sort of hypothetical but it has caused a bit of an argument already so I just want to know how people would proceed if this actually happened.

For context, my wife's unwillingness to drive is a major bugbear of mine. Honestly, for me it continues to be one of the biggest challenges in our relationship.

We live very rurally and you have to drive to do anything. Our house is provided as part of our pay, so moving to a better connected place isn't an option without changing jobs. My wife never shows much appreciation for the fact that I am the sole driver. It's an hour round trip for me if she needs to return a parcel at the post office. She's had me take leave to drive to pick her guests up from the airport and I can only ever have one beer because I'm obviously the designated driver, but she'll happily see off three or four with no solidarity to me whatsoever. You get the impression. It grates on me a lot.

I have been campaigning for her to start to drive for nearly three years as I find her lack of independence quite suffocating. She first needed to exchange her foreign licence to a UK one, and this took her over two years to actually organise.

Now she needs to get a car. She can't drive mine because it's manual. I've offered to part exchange my car for an equivalent automatic as it makes most sense finally for us to share a car for now, but she says shes scared of a car ‘that powerful’ (it's a 1.8l hatchback, hardly massive). She's only briefly looked at micras and minis. This would sort of solve some of my issues, but obviously any long drives or big errands would automatically fall on me again and we can't split the driving.

This has come to a head this week because she wants to apply for a new job an hour away from us. I asked how she was planning on getting there, and she told me she was hoping I'd drive her to it if she got an interview. She got upset when I suggested she could hire a car because she's not driven in England before and she'd be scared of driving alone the first time.

But frankly I've had enough. She's happily inconvenienced me for years now despite me pleading with her to sort this out. I feel like there needs to be something that finally makes her realise how important driving is and give her the push to actaully do something about it. Taking her to this interview would surely just further enables her putting it off?

YABU - yes your wife needs to get a car and start driving but an interview isn't the right issue to put your foot down on

YANBU - don't drive her. If changing jobs and going to interviews means enough to her, she'll prioritise sorting a car out

OP posts:
supportcandle · 30/11/2024 19:57

Snoopdoggydog123 · 30/11/2024 19:54

I just did.

Yeah, you decided there will be no other opinion than yours. On a public chat forum. 👍🏼

Snoopdoggydog123 · 30/11/2024 19:59

supportcandle · 30/11/2024 19:57

Yeah, you decided there will be no other opinion than yours. On a public chat forum. 👍🏼

Yep. That's the rule.

Also it's hilarious how different it would be if tge roles were reversed.

It's weaponised incompetence with a healthy dose of unearned demand om his time.

MrsTerryPratchett · 30/11/2024 20:00

@supportcandle it's LALALALALALALA I can't hear you <sticks fingers in ears>

supportcandle · 30/11/2024 20:01

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 30/11/2024 19:38

What's your point?

I'm giving my point of view on this situation. And my point of view is informed by the fact that I know what it's like to (a) move to my partner's country, far from family and friends, (b) have to learn to drive in a different country despite finding that pretty scary to begin with, and (c) have a partner who needed a kick up the bum to learn to drive.

So I can see both sides. But I think taking a stand over a job interview is shitty behaviour, and I think it's pretty clear that the OP's wife does not want to live in their current location. He doesn't seem to be offering any solutions other than his wife just getting over her fear and starting to drive. But if she does, then what? She'll still be living an hour's round trip from the nearest Post Office, which is clearly not working for her. He needs to talk to her about why she wants to apply for a new job an hour away, and really listen to what she is saying.

Perhaps part of the reason why she's resisting is actually because she knows that if she starts driving, the only inconvenience the OP currently has will have gone away and he will be even less willing to consider moving closer to civilisation. It'll be, "You can drive now, so what's the problem?"

Edited

I have been in that situation too. Found it scary, driving on the wrong (than rest of Europe) side of the road and driver’s seat on the opposite side. No problems driving in my own country where we now live.

supportcandle · 30/11/2024 20:03

MrsTerryPratchett · 30/11/2024 20:00

@supportcandle it's LALALALALALALA I can't hear you <sticks fingers in ears>

And trying to crawl back under the rock again.

Snoopdoggydog123 · 30/11/2024 20:06

supportcandle · 30/11/2024 20:03

And trying to crawl back under the rock again.

It's winter, I'm quite cosy wrapped up on my couch with my tea.

And no I can't hear you luckily but I do have excellent eye sight and can read very well.

supportcandle · 30/11/2024 20:13

Snoopdoggydog123 · 30/11/2024 20:06

It's winter, I'm quite cosy wrapped up on my couch with my tea.

And no I can't hear you luckily but I do have excellent eye sight and can read very well.

Cosy but angry.

Snoopdoggydog123 · 30/11/2024 20:30

supportcandle · 30/11/2024 20:13

Cosy but angry.

Cosy and the definition of unbothered. If I were OP I'd have told her long long ago to jog on.

Badburyrings · 30/11/2024 20:45

Snoopdoggydog123 · 30/11/2024 20:30

Cosy and the definition of unbothered. If I were OP I'd have told her long long ago to jog on.

Edited

With you there Snoop.

Isobel201 · 30/11/2024 21:07

1.8 litre is quite powerful - I'm used to 1.4 litre or less. Perhaps she could get her own automatic lower powered car?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 30/11/2024 21:35

Snoopdoggydog123 · 30/11/2024 19:46

No. There's no other point of view. She put herself in this situation and again she doesn't get to demand this from him.

She wants to play stupid games she'll win stupid prizes

He has a secure job, a secure home and assuming a life that is good

If she's not happy she can walk. As that's her only mode of transport.

The only thing she should've done is ask him before applying. She was a demanding madam to assume she could continue to click her fingers and he's keep saying how high.

Robin Williams What Year Is It GIF

She...should ask his permission before applying for a job that wouldn't require her to live miles away from civilisation?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 30/11/2024 21:38

bozzabollix · 30/11/2024 19:51

As an aside, as a fairly rural driving instructor it’s of interest, why are British rural roads seen as requiring a lot more skill? Having driven in both France and Italy I’d say they aren’t any worse (although the frustration of taking forever to get anywhere in Devon/Cornwall lanes is something to whinge about).

My French husband's take is that UK country roads are too narrow, not enough passing places, poor visibility, and people still bomb down them at top speed. He reckons they don't make roads that small in France.

He's not wrong, but they don't bother me because I'm used to them.

Driving in France, on the other hand, where you might have 50cm of slip road to join a motorway, or where you can be on a main road and have to give way to someone hurtling out of a side road from the right, or where you can be on a roundabout and have to give way to people joining, I find quite challenging.

It's just what you're used to.

Snoopdoggydog123 · 30/11/2024 21:38

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 30/11/2024 21:35

She...should ask his permission before applying for a job that wouldn't require her to live miles away from civilisation?

Yes. It's basic common manners to ask someone if they can accommodate your demands before booking and making a commitment that can only go ahead by them giving up their time and labour for free.

Was there a year that was never the case?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 30/11/2024 21:42

Snoopdoggydog123 · 30/11/2024 21:38

Yes. It's basic common manners to ask someone if they can accommodate your demands before booking and making a commitment that can only go ahead by them giving up their time and labour for free.

Was there a year that was never the case?

Edited

Oh, you're talking specifically about the interview, rather than the bigger issue of whether she's actually going to go and work somewhere an hour away from where they currently live.

Whatever.

If he's going to choose her job interview to start being an arsehole about the driving, frankly that should give her the push she needs to take a taxi to the interview and get a job living somewhere she's happier.

Snoopdoggydog123 · 30/11/2024 21:43

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 30/11/2024 21:42

Oh, you're talking specifically about the interview, rather than the bigger issue of whether she's actually going to go and work somewhere an hour away from where they currently live.

Whatever.

If he's going to choose her job interview to start being an arsehole about the driving, frankly that should give her the push she needs to take a taxi to the interview and get a job living somewhere she's happier.

It's not being an arsehole at all!.
The undisputed fact on MN is that lifts are not a God given right in any circumstances
There's countless posts on it.

She's had more than enough chances.

Yea...because another Manor house is going to provide her everything she needs

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 30/11/2024 21:44

Snoopdoggydog123 · 30/11/2024 21:43

It's not being an arsehole at all!.
The undisputed fact on MN is that lifts are not a God given right in any circumstances
There's countless posts on it.

She's had more than enough chances.

Yea...because another Manor house is going to provide her everything she needs

He literally says that the job she wants to go for would also have accommodation provided.

I'm pretty sure that's why he doesn't want to support her in going for it.

Snoopdoggydog123 · 30/11/2024 21:47

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 30/11/2024 21:44

He literally says that the job she wants to go for would also have accommodation provided.

I'm pretty sure that's why he doesn't want to support her in going for it.

Well duh it puts a two hour commute onto his day. Why on Earth would he jump at that?

Dimpliy · 30/11/2024 21:48

Octavia64 · 30/11/2024 08:18

The fact the you live very rurally is down to the fact that you have housing provided with your job.

If you both lived in a city or town with public transport this would not be an issue, so I'm on the fence as it's you and the commitments you have made that mean this is a problem.

Most non drivers choose to live where it isn't an issue.

It was pretty obvious from the OP’s post that their house is provided for BOTH their pay so not sure why you think OP has caused this problem.

GivingitToGod · 30/11/2024 21:49

Mickey79 · 30/11/2024 08:21

I agree with you . What if she gets the job? Will she expect you to drive her there every day.

This
I can understand why you feel put on and resentful of this OP. In my experience, I know of non drivers (mostly women IME) who seem to take it for granted that their partners/husbands will drive them but your situation is the extreme! Your wife needs to bite the bullet and start driving. Your relationship will deteriorate and you will become increasingly resentful if the situation continues

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 30/11/2024 21:50

Snoopdoggydog123 · 30/11/2024 21:47

Well duh it puts a two hour commute onto his day. Why on Earth would he jump at that?

Edited

Because relationships are about give and take, and living where they currently do is clearly not working for his wife.

What compromises has he made, other than giving her the odd lift and then moaning about it?

Snoopdoggydog123 · 30/11/2024 21:51

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 30/11/2024 21:50

Because relationships are about give and take, and living where they currently do is clearly not working for his wife.

What compromises has he made, other than giving her the odd lift and then moaning about it?

What compromises has she made?
Apart from the sexist assumptions pulled from thin air?

The simple answer is she just drives herself around.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 30/11/2024 21:52

Dimpliy · 30/11/2024 21:48

It was pretty obvious from the OP’s post that their house is provided for BOTH their pay so not sure why you think OP has caused this problem.

Is it? It sounds like if his wife got this job then there would be a choice of two places to live.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 30/11/2024 21:53

Snoopdoggydog123 · 30/11/2024 21:51

What compromises has she made?
Apart from the sexist assumptions pulled from thin air?

The simple answer is she just drives herself around.

Well, clearly if it were that simple she would already be doing it.

But let's pretend it is that simple.

Then what?

She's still stuck living an hour's round trip from the nearest Post Office, with a husband who now has even less incentive to move anywhere else, because his only inconvenience has been resolved, even if hers remain.

Dimpliy · 30/11/2024 21:53

Scutterbug · 30/11/2024 10:42

Not driving and the pressure of not doing so, can really cause a deep-rooted anxiety.
I lost my licence for a year due to psychotic episodes. I’m due to get it back soon and I cannot tell you how anxious I am about driving again and that’s only after a year.
So I feel real sympathy for her as I don’t think she is “selfish”, just terrified. Refresher lessons are a really good idea, as is getting an automatic car.
Tread gently with her.

She is very selfish to make him drive an hour to drop off a parcel for her.

Snoopdoggydog123 · 30/11/2024 21:54

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 30/11/2024 21:53

Well, clearly if it were that simple she would already be doing it.

But let's pretend it is that simple.

Then what?

She's still stuck living an hour's round trip from the nearest Post Office, with a husband who now has even less incentive to move anywhere else, because his only inconvenience has been resolved, even if hers remain.

And so what?
She doesn't get to change the status quo at the click of her fingers.
If she walked into all this oblivious then that's on her.
She wants to leave she can

Again of I were OP I'd be closing the door behind her.

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