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Feeling a bit sad that 2 of my best friends don’t care we just bought our first home

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Seekingchange · 27/11/2024 22:50

Took us a decade to save towards a deposit but we finally made it and recently moved to our new, modest home.
I have a few really close friends (some of them live abroad) and we are in contact almost daily in a whatsapp group amd always talk about everything. However, teo of them have showed basically zero interest in our new home, never asked any questions when we were looking, only replied with a brief msg when we said our offer was accepted and din’t even once bother asking to see a pic or a question about where the house is, what does it look like etc.
AIBU to expect my closest friends to show some interest in such a major life event?

OP posts:
jay55 · 28/11/2024 10:53

I'm excited for you. I hope you have many happy years in your new home and if we were friends I'd totally have been asking for pictures and what your plans were to decorate. But I'll happily browse rightmove as entertainment.
Pretty miserable friendships if you can't share the joyful times.

Plastictrees · 28/11/2024 11:04

So many bizarre assumptions and joyless attitudes on this thread - sending a congratulatory WhatsApp message or card to mark a significant occasion in a friends life is hardly ground breaking amounts of effort! I’m sure people do not expect their friends lives to revolve around them, but what is the point in having friends at all if not to share experiences/achievements/occasions? It takes 2 mins to acknowledge and send a kind message.

the80sweregreat · 28/11/2024 11:10

I always sent new home cards to people , but I admit that a lot of my card sending has dropped off a lot since the price of the stamps is more than the card sometimes. It's more likely to be a message online / email or whatever these days

AllTangledUpInTinselAndTiaras · 28/11/2024 11:17

Personally I think it's quite bizarre to make a great deal out of the absence of a couple of WhatsApp messages. Of course it'd be nice if all our friends would always do exactly what we want and what we expect in every aspect of our lives all time...but sometimes they don't, and for me personally that really isn't a big deal. And guess what? That means my life is actually joyful rather than joyless, and more importantly completely drama-free. I generally give and take as needed and go with the flow; I don't put too much expectation on each individual friend. It works very well for me. OP doesn't have to take that approach of course, but she asked for opinions and she's been given a range of perspectives from which she can decide where the balance lies for her.

AllTangledUpInTinselAndTiaras · 28/11/2024 11:21

(Of course it's possible that these particular people are, in fact, entirely self-absorbed, self-centred, nasty, uncaring people...in which case I'm sure there'll be a great deal of history backing that up. But in the absence of such evidence I wouldn't be casting them as such based on just one instance)

polyesterdress · 28/11/2024 12:50

OP - congrats on your home! Some of the responses here are bizarre. I think showing an interest in a friend's life and congratulating them when they've achieved something meaningful to them is an important hallmark of friendship.

Those points about people in continental Europe not understanding that buying a house is a big deal are also odd. Of course people understand buying a house is a big deal - even if they didn't get the social nuances of the UK, you can understand what means something to your own friend.

It makes me really sad how little people are expected to care about others. I had a similar situation where a friend posted in our group chat that she'd just bought a house - and we were all delighted for her. But I did notice two people (who bought their own houses years ago) read and not reply, and I just thought, how mean and careless. They couldn't take 10 seconds to wish someone else well.

henlake7 · 28/11/2024 12:55

Given the friends in question live abroad and communicate via social media its not so surprising that they arent that bothered TBH.
It would be weirder if they lived in the area and showed no interest (if I was local I would def congratulate a friend...and probably want to know when I could come round for a nosey as well!).

ConstanceM · 28/11/2024 12:58

They are jealous, spiteful and weird. Even if a stranger said they had bought a house, you would say congratulations. So why not them? They are joyless who are in competition with you even if you are not. The pain is there's, talk about your house as much as you can.

Teanbiscuits33 · 28/11/2024 12:59

Does it really matter? If you’re happy, who cares? I learned to stop giving a shit what people thought about me years ago, and that I cannot control how others respond or behave and to just get on with it and concern myself with my own life and goals. It’s much less stressful and I’m happier because the weight of seeking approval has vanished. It’s great.

Ladyswhatlunch · 28/11/2024 13:13

Losingthetimber · 28/11/2024 09:41

when you read this thread, you can see why there are so many people without friends, liking their own space, relatively isolated.

if you care about someone and call them friend, then taking an interest in their major life events is normal. Deciding to ignore it is not.

i do wonder op if this was about something other than buying a house, the responses would be different. It can cause envy in many. Even when it is a stranger on line.

I agree with your last paragraph in particular, house envy is a very real thing there have been many threads on here about the very subject, and as for all these people apparently who have zero interest in seeing their friends new house is more likely they don’t want to see it because it brings out the green eyed monster, either because they can’t afford to buy, or their friend now has a bigger and better house than them and they now feel inferior, and yes even a stranger online brings out these feelings as many replies show.

LikeWhoUsesTypewritersAnyway · 28/11/2024 13:16

HelloFreshInsulation · 27/11/2024 23:18

OP, ignore some of these replies. Of course it is normal for good friends to show an interest in a major life event like a house purchase. Anyone suggesting otherwise frankly probably has questionable social skills.
Why your friends are not showing any interest or enthusiasm can only be guessed at. They could be jealous perhaps.

So, every post on here should be ignored unless it's agreeing with the OP? Confused

FFS! Life's not like that dear. Not everyone is going to agree. And differing views should not be 'ignored.' What a silly attitude you have.

Ladyswhatlunch · 28/11/2024 13:16

Losingthetimber · 28/11/2024 07:54

This is such a myth , home ownership in most of eu is the same levels as in the uk, yes long term rentals are more the norm for those who rent, but buying a house is still an achievement and the aspiration. And I’m fairly sure you know that.

Absolutely this, I don’t know why this line is trotted out so regularly on here, it’s an urban myth.

GreatEggSpectations · 28/11/2024 13:20

No one thinks about you as much as you think about you. It's a huge life event for you and just an event that's happened for them. Everyone is the centre of their own universe

WomenInConstruction · 28/11/2024 13:23

I'm amazed how many people are 'so what' about this.
What's the point in having friends if you're not interested in them and therefore their life.
If you care for someone why wouldn't you notice if something happened to them that would likely be making them feel very happy... Don't we notice and share when people we care about are happy!?

For those who are off the 'so what it's not my life why would I look up for that' point of view, do you not talk to friends about what's happening for you? Everything from how's work, to wrestling kids to do homework, to a great film you saw... Etc

Op I'd share your happiness. Want to know if you were going to decorate (happy chats about that), if you'd seen the neighbours, were the sellers ready to deal with, was moving stressful etc etc

Anything you fancies sharing, I'd be all ears.

YANBU

largeprintagathachristie · 28/11/2024 13:24

In my experience people buying houses can often go on about it a lot.
(Realise you said you haven’t, though.)

I’m finding the constant chats at work involving a colleague buying a house a little difficult and tune them out a bit because our circumstances are so different; colleague is 20 years younger than me but has a husband with a very well paying job and family help from both sides. So it’s straight to a four bedroom detached in a lovely village. I’m happy for her but I’m only human.

HotCrossBunplease · 28/11/2024 13:25

din’t even once bother asking to see a pic or a question about where the house is, what does it look like etc.

if you are in WhatsApp the usual think to do is post a link to RightMove without being asked, same for move in pictures. Why were you waiting to be asked?

I once was talking to a Mum friend about the house she had offered in but when asked her to show me in RM she refused, said she didn't want to jinx it (I knew what the offer amount was so wasn’t a financial privacy thing). Maybe people think that by not offering up pics you’re thinking along those lines?

WomenInConstruction · 28/11/2024 13:30

SquashedSquashess · 28/11/2024 07:50

Everyone has their own life events going on. I’m part of a friendship group that has just started having children. Some in the group will text new mothers weekly (or more) to check how they’re doing. I of course congratulate them on the birth, but their day to day trials with a newborn are not top of my mind, so I rarely message unless to catch up more generally.

I expect some of them see me the way you see your friends OP, but I have my own life and household to run, and don’t have time to consider the minutiae of every friend’s life on a daily basis.

We are all the centre of our own worlds. Give your friends some slack and let them get on with their own business, without needing them to validate your life choices.

You aren't maintaining an ongoing interest, but you did say you if course congratulated them.... So you're agreeing with op that this would be normal and nice for a friend to do.
She's feeling disappointed not to get a flicker of a reaction... You're right, keeping up a conversation about it might be everyone's interest but a quick 'nice one, congrats' isn't platinum standard friendship services... It's basic.

DisappearingJellyfish · 28/11/2024 15:24

Babyname2025 · 28/11/2024 05:24

I am in London and never thought owning a flat was something people were envious about tbh. Which is what most London ftbs own..I mean I don't have the usual leasehold or cladding issues as my flat's freehold is owned by the residents, my dh is a director of the rmc, 1930s block etc but people don't know that about my flat..plus flat values have been stagnant for 7 years.

I don't actually think it's super enviable, the main thing I get out of Home ownership is stability (not having to move) which I get is a big thing . But a council tenant gets the same thing too. I have to pay a lot of mortgage interest to the bank and tie up my savings in an illiquid asset that is the roof over my head (and I would always need a roof) because the government doesn't invest in social housing..sure I am not saying I am worse off than private renters but truly is it an ideal situation? Not really it's just something i don't have much choice over because there is a housing crisis.

My mortgage is 1282 for a 2 bed flat but I do have 150k of illiquid capital tied up in the property (so that kinda cancels it out). I knew I would probably lose money when I bought but thought it worth it for the stability(plus at that time was moving from inlaws home and it was actually easier to buy than to rent at that time post brexit as few people wanted to buy period flats not on a help to buy scheme) but honestly I am not much better off than a council tenant in terms of the benefits I get from Home ownership (and a london flat owner in a new build flat is much worse off). And I didn't want to move outside London and pay 8k in season tickets for both of us.

What I guess was privileged was I managed to buy my flat at 26 with our savings but now we are 32 and 34, I don't think it's that big of a deal anymore

I can understand why people would be envious of those millenials who buy houses with help from bank of mum and dad as many london houses are near the million pound mark so for a 30 year old that's quite a bit of capital but why would you be envious of someone with a 400k to 500k flat (with a mortgage)?

Edited

I do think people are envious about it. You just have to listen to how they complain about their landlords, about renting in general, about "dead money" and how they feel like they are being forced out of London...

It would be hugely insensitive to bang about my property when they are clearly so unhappy about renting. So, I don't talk about anything that is specific to home ownership. It's just reading the room...

I didn't get any help and I bought on my own. That's out of reach for a lot of normal Londoners. I know I've worked hard and made huge sacrifices, but I don't expect anyone else to recognise that and give a damn but me - I expect them to just go, she owns her own home, isn't she full of privilege? I cannot truthfully say I wouldn't have a similar reaction in their shoes.

Seekingchange · 28/11/2024 16:24

CrushOnEminem · 28/11/2024 07:56

OP every day I read MN & realise just how vast the cultural gap is between my experience of life & what often seeks like the majority of posters.

I have friends who live geographically far away but we're really close & message daily & often multiple times a day via WhatsApp. One is a group of 4 of us & you bet that we all celebrate ALL our highs & lows. We meet about every 6 weeks but in between we have a lively group chat. We champion each & support each other and things like house buying/ selling / moving; new jobs; kids exam achievements; university entry for kids; overseas trips; fun nights out with other friends; partners achievements; siblings news (marriage/ babies etc) are ALL noted & shared & celebrated.

Along side chat about books we're reading, gigs & films & theatre & events we go to. We share photos a lot.

So in my group we wouldn't wait to be asked - if one of us got the keys to a new house we'd share pictures ASAP & the others would be full of questions & planning to come see it etc

The majority of replies you've received here are honestly really baffling to me & I guess I don't understand the basis of many of these friendships if you can't share or be happy for someone else's good news in a world full of bad & depressing news

Reading these replies I think a LOT of people struggle with being happy for friends who achieve something they may not (yet / ever) have. And that's crap.

Congratulations OP! And wishing you many years of happiness in your new house. It's them, not you.

That’s exactly the same dynamic in our group which is why I was a bit surprised! 5 of us and talking daily about everything that happens in our lives, highs and lows. We celebrate achievements and support each other when things are not good. One of the two people who are not showing interest in the new home was also not interested in my pregnancy/baby stage at all and it did hurt. We are like sisters since we were kids.
I would ‘t want to be friends with the MN people in this thread!

OP posts:
Seekingchange · 28/11/2024 16:25

They are not in London. They live abroad and one of them is way wealthier than me, just prefers to rent at this stage in life

OP posts:
Seekingchange · 28/11/2024 16:38

I find it very bizarre how many of you would classify a simple polite text message to show antiny bit of interest at the same level of “your life rotating around your friend’s life”!!! i mean, is it really so hard to see a difference between these two concepts?

OP posts:
Plastictrees · 28/11/2024 16:48

Seekingchange · 28/11/2024 16:38

I find it very bizarre how many of you would classify a simple polite text message to show antiny bit of interest at the same level of “your life rotating around your friend’s life”!!! i mean, is it really so hard to see a difference between these two concepts?

Of course it isn’t. This thread is bringing out the socially inept!

It definitely is disappointing and impacts friendships negatively when friends show no interest in important milestones such as pregnancies and buying a house. Obviously you do not expect your friends to be as invested as you are in your own life, but they should reciprocate the interest I’m sure you’ve shown them! It’s hardly difficult to message congratulations with a few happy emojis - it’s just basic decency really.

WomenInConstruction · 28/11/2024 17:11

@Plastictrees 👌👌

fitzwilliamdarcy · 28/11/2024 21:44

I try to ensure my excitement really shines through when my friends achieve things other than marriage and babies as I think those things are the only things people really value. I’ve been the person who’s had things to celebrate and tried to organise a dinner for myself and friends aren’t interested but once someone’s engaged or pregnant they organise a big party for them.

I think it’s a sad and sexist thing that we don’t celebrate other things women do, so I try and be that person that I didn’t have.

Mill3nnial · 28/11/2024 21:57

Two things

the fact you're saying here it's a major life event makes me think you've gone on about it and either been braggy or annoying

it's not that interesting to other people but some people are better at feigning interest than others