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DP received letter for CMS

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lockdownbabyx · 15/11/2024 15:42

My partner and I have been together for 4 years and have 2 children and another on the way.
Today he received a letter from CMS saying he owes child maintenance for a child he has never known about. This child is now 5 years old.

Obviously a dna test will need to be done anyway, but where do we stand with this?

I'm so upset and confused, literally found out I was pregnant again yesterday 😭

OP posts:
Wellingtonspie · 15/11/2024 17:40

NearlyChristmas2024 · 15/11/2024 17:37

It’s a percentage of his wages so should be affordable 🤷‍♀️

If you live pay check to pay check 12% can feel a rather large chunk that you don’t have.

teatoast8 · 15/11/2024 17:41

Onthesideofthespiders · 15/11/2024 17:32

Because most people having their 3rd child are financially stable. It was odd that her first response is panic that they cannot afford it. How? It’s 12% of his salary, not joint salary, and someone having a large family should be financially stable enough to cover that cost. So, people were curious I guess.
Turns out they are on the bones of their arse yet still having more kids snd this unexpected cost will really impact on the children they currently have. They need to have a full think about what they should do here.

I can't afford my third. It was an accidental pregnancy but I know I'll make it work. I'm good with money. Kids don't have to be expensive. It's if you make it that way and there was no way I was having an abortion.

funinthesun19 · 15/11/2024 17:41

Aye he never knew a single thing about this child’s existence, did he?

Even if on the off chance that he had absolutely no idea and she didn’t say a single thing to him about him being the father in all this time, I still don’t think OP would be unreasonable to rethink her future with him if she doesn’t want to end up having this child as part of her life.

And even if he didn’t know and therefore has technically done nothing wrong, I can also understand why Op would still be pissed off about how her and her children’s lives are now being influenced and their futures now completely changed. I can understand why she would find it all a big life changing inconvenience!

StMarie4me · 15/11/2024 17:41

So very many nasty people on here. Good grief!

Cyclingmummy1 · 15/11/2024 17:41

GettingThemFromHereToThere · 15/11/2024 16:54

Unfortunately, that's not the child's problem, is it. You're very early stages of pregnancy, you have options if he can't afford the children he's already brought into the world.

This is a truly appalling comment.

None of this is the OP's fault, yet it is her problem. She owes this other child nothing.

SilverChampagne · 15/11/2024 17:42

Curtainqueen · 15/11/2024 15:52

judging much? Of course women never lie.

He’s not denying his relationship with this woman, so why assume she’s lying?

SilverChampagne · 15/11/2024 17:42

Cyclingmummy1 · 15/11/2024 17:41

This is a truly appalling comment.

None of this is the OP's fault, yet it is her problem. She owes this other child nothing.

Edited

He does, though.

Cyclingmummy1 · 15/11/2024 17:44

SilverChampagne · 15/11/2024 17:42

He does, though.

Absolutely! And that is where cuts to the budget would need to be made.

LondonPapa · 15/11/2024 17:44

No judgement from me OP, just wishes of good luck!

I have no clue how CMS works, I can’t imagine they’d take 5-years to find the other parent (if known, I believe unknown parents are rarely found) so I suspect your DP is known as they issued a figure to pay. Either that or it’s a scam and others can answer better. Hope it works out for you.

TeenLifeMum · 15/11/2024 17:45

How has cms stated an amount if he’s not already on the system?

Peaceandquietandacuppa · 15/11/2024 17:46

It’s ok to feel upset about it but no point worrying until the DNA comes back.

If the child is his - try and think about it from the other woman’s perspective. He slept with her and there is now a real child to think about here. It seems out of the blue but you don’t know if she tried to tell him and maybe he didn’t want to know.

funinthesun19 · 15/11/2024 17:48

GettingThemFromHereToThere · 15/11/2024 16:54

Unfortunately, that's not the child's problem, is it. You're very early stages of pregnancy, you have options if he can't afford the children he's already brought into the world.

Options like dumping him, keeping her baby and also claiming maintenance for her children. 👍🏻 But that’s not the option you was hinting at, was it?

TwinklyAmberOrca · 15/11/2024 17:48

lockdownbabyx · 15/11/2024 15:46

He's adamant condoms were always used, the relationship didn't end great and she blocked him (apparently)

Obviously if the child is his he will have to pay, but the amount they're asking for we cannot afford.

If he always used condoms then it's likely someone else's baby and she's just chancing her luck and naming him because she remembers his name!

Obviously he needs to get the DNA test done, but if it does come back as being his baby, then you will need to afford it.

Use the government calculator to work out what is correct.
https://www.gov.uk/calculate-child-maintenance

As you will already have 3 children (shortly) then this will massively reduce the amount of money he will have to pay. Make sure you put this into the calculator.

Also, your DH could ask for shared custody with the aim of moving to 50/50 eventually, which would also hugely reduce the maintenance payments.

Not letting someone they have a child for 5 years is awful!

Calculate your child maintenance

Use this calculator to work out an amount of child maintenance for your children.

https://www.gov.uk/calculate-child-maintenance

CwmYoy · 15/11/2024 17:51

The vipers are out in force. Beats me why some here take pleasure in being vile.

OP, I hope he isn't the father but if he is then it may not be as expensive as you fear. I hope so.

Anotherworrier · 15/11/2024 17:51

lockdownbabyx · 15/11/2024 15:46

He's adamant condoms were always used, the relationship didn't end great and she blocked him (apparently)

Obviously if the child is his he will have to pay, but the amount they're asking for we cannot afford.

I think there’s probably bigger problems here then the money.

Also, imo you shouldn’t have to pay anything, it shouldn’t come out of joint funds, it should come out of his.

AutumnLeaves24 · 15/11/2024 17:52

TeenLifeMum · 15/11/2024 17:45

How has cms stated an amount if he’s not already on the system?

They get earnings from HMRC, then it's up to the person to let them know things that might reduce it, like other children

& the obvious one, they're not the father!

Cheshiresquirrelsss · 15/11/2024 17:52

lockdownbabyx · 15/11/2024 15:46

He's adamant condoms were always used, the relationship didn't end great and she blocked him (apparently)

Obviously if the child is his he will have to pay, but the amount they're asking for we cannot afford.

if it's his, he will have to pay. CMS is woefully little anyways.

DrZaraCarmichael · 15/11/2024 17:55

God there's some spiteful people on here desperate to give the OP a kicking.

The OP has done NOTHING WRONG. She has met a man and had two children with him. She does not say that he beats her, or is a waste of space, or a bad father. I'd also argue the guy has done nothing wrong either! He's not psychic. I finished two relationships on bad terms, one of the guys I literally never saw again as it was at the end of Uni and we went our separate ways. Had I been pregnant and chosen to conceal that from him, he would never have known.

All you can do OP is support your partner through having the DNA test and take it from there.

Fluufer · 15/11/2024 17:56

Mickey79 · 15/11/2024 17:36

Ive seen a few instances of this since joining mn. Its creepy.

Sometimes it's helpful to have more context. Not really necessary here though at all.
It isn't creepy - it's an anonymous forum and people can share or name change as much or as little as they like.

x2boys · 15/11/2024 17:57

Anotherworrier · 15/11/2024 17:51

I think there’s probably bigger problems here then the money.

Also, imo you shouldn’t have to pay anything, it shouldn’t come out of joint funds, it should come out of his.

It will come out of hus wages but many couples pool their money together .hence the Op saying they will have to pay.

StandingSideBySide · 15/11/2024 17:57

Are they asking for it to be backdated since the birth

Anotherworrier · 15/11/2024 17:58

x2boys · 15/11/2024 17:57

It will come out of hus wages but many couples pool their money together .hence the Op saying they will have to pay.

I understand that. Same over here but after bills we each have our own spending money. It should come out of his half of the disposable income.

Dibbydoos · 15/11/2024 17:58

Gosh some of these posts @lockdownbabyx 😬 I'm sure you're in shock, so pls try to keep calm. You know what needs to happen, DNA then assessment of what can be paid. If it means you need to cut your cloth you'll need to sort that out at the appropriate time.

Try to look positively on it if the child is his.

Good luck to you all x

x2boys · 15/11/2024 17:59

Anotherworrier · 15/11/2024 17:58

I understand that. Same over here but after bills we each have our own spending money. It should come out of his half of the disposable income.

Maybe they pool all their money ?
We always have.

Wolframandhart · 15/11/2024 18:01

Where do you stand in what way?

If they know his earnings then i am surprised that this is the very first he is hearing about it.

im also surprised three pregnancies in four years and you believe he always wore condoms before you.

do the dna test of course but start putting the money away so youre not finding it too difficult if it comes back he is indeed the father, as you owe from this point.

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