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DP received letter for CMS

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lockdownbabyx · 15/11/2024 15:42

My partner and I have been together for 4 years and have 2 children and another on the way.
Today he received a letter from CMS saying he owes child maintenance for a child he has never known about. This child is now 5 years old.

Obviously a dna test will need to be done anyway, but where do we stand with this?

I'm so upset and confused, literally found out I was pregnant again yesterday 😭

OP posts:
VanillaPlanifolia · 15/11/2024 19:17

She can't come after your income only his. Could you increase your earning potential (not now! You're busy with a baby) and then he can go part time and she'll get less out of him (but so would you) he could do the school runs though

VeryCheesyChips · 15/11/2024 19:22

VanillaPlanifolia · 15/11/2024 19:17

She can't come after your income only his. Could you increase your earning potential (not now! You're busy with a baby) and then he can go part time and she'll get less out of him (but so would you) he could do the school runs though

Wtf? Why should the other child not have his father contribute fairly? I hope you’re not a mother yourself writing shit like this. The OP’s partner left himself open to the potential somebody could ‘come after’ him when he had sex. You’re warped.

GabriellaMontez · 15/11/2024 19:24

VanillaPlanifolia · 15/11/2024 19:17

She can't come after your income only his. Could you increase your earning potential (not now! You're busy with a baby) and then he can go part time and she'll get less out of him (but so would you) he could do the school runs though

Classy.

Fluffyiguana · 15/11/2024 19:25

VeryCheesyChips · 15/11/2024 19:22

Wtf? Why should the other child not have his father contribute fairly? I hope you’re not a mother yourself writing shit like this. The OP’s partner left himself open to the potential somebody could ‘come after’ him when he had sex. You’re warped.

Her DP’s only crime is that he had protected (by him!) sex before being with OP.

So we should all only have children with men who are virgins?

VeryCheesyChips · 15/11/2024 19:27

Fluffyiguana · 15/11/2024 19:25

Her DP’s only crime is that he had protected (by him!) sex before being with OP.

So we should all only have children with men who are virgins?

I’ve never said or implied any of that. I don’t think, on the face of it, anybody here has done anything wrong, actually.

My post was in response to the poster I quoted suggesting that the other woman was ‘coming after’ the OPs husbands money and that he should change jobs to not have to support a child he (at this moment may or may not have) fathered. I stated the fact that we all know there’s risk of making a life when we have sex and that the other child shouldn’t miss out of being financially supported. I think you need to re-read my comment.

AnotherEmma · 15/11/2024 19:30

@lockdownbabyx
If and when the paternity test confirms he is the father, and also when your baby is born, these are both changes in circumstances that he should discuss with the insolvency practitioner who set up the IVA. He will need to revisit his budget and consider whether his current repayments will be affordable with the additional costs of one or two more children to support.
https://nationaldebtline.org/get-information/guides/individual-voluntary-arrangements-ew/ - see the section under change of circumstances

Also, it would probably be sensible for him to think about getting a vasectomy at this point. If he got you and/or his ex pregnant while using contraception, he must be pretty fertile.

Good luck with your pregnancy and with this situation as it develops.

Individual voluntary arrangements (IVA) | National Debtline

https://nationaldebtline.org/get-information/guides/individual-voluntary-arrangements-ew

VanillaPlanifolia · 15/11/2024 19:32

GabriellaMontez · 15/11/2024 19:24

Classy.

Why shouldn't he go part time

OriginalUsername2 · 15/11/2024 19:33

VanillaPlanifolia · 15/11/2024 19:32

Why shouldn't he go part time

Imagine you’re a child and all of your responsible adults are trying to get out of paying for you to live.

VanillaPlanifolia · 15/11/2024 19:35

OriginalUsername2 · 15/11/2024 19:33

Imagine you’re a child and all of your responsible adults are trying to get out of paying for you to live.

Edited

Their mum isn't?

And why shouldn't OP work full time? Then her own kids can benefit from her salary

AmberAlert86 · 15/11/2024 19:52

2-3 kids is a standard family size, not sure why some posters are coming up with unkind comments.

housethatbuiltme · 15/11/2024 19:55

Fluffyiguana · 15/11/2024 19:04

I'm not suggesting it will in any way affect things from a CMS point of view.

If women do this in cases outside of abusive relationships I personally think it's unreasonable.

I would just hope most women would be more sensible to not cause situations like this one where all children involved are now economically disadvantaged. It is the children who suffer in this.

We're talking about men (and their partners) to somehow financially plan for any number of unknown children who could be out there because the mothers have kept them secret.

Its not about adults its about innocent children. Stop thinking its some cruel to a man 'got ya' from a nasty ex looking to stir drama.

Maybe the ex is terminally ill and planning for the child's future, maybe she lost her job through ill health, maybe she was supported by a family member that died, maybe any number of things turned their life upside down after years of coping without him. That child needs support now regardless and he HAS to give that support if he is the father.

Don't want the risk of having kids then don't have sex (its not an entitlement with no consequences, even protected sex has risk) but once a child exist BOTH parents have a duty to contribute regardless of their feelings.

The illegitimacy laws where revoked because THOUSANDS of children died needlessly so men could get away with affairs etc... ffs. Its not something anyone (especially women who where screwed over for centuries) should support in returning.

Kneebonefuture · 15/11/2024 19:58

VeryCheesyChips · 15/11/2024 19:22

Wtf? Why should the other child not have his father contribute fairly? I hope you’re not a mother yourself writing shit like this. The OP’s partner left himself open to the potential somebody could ‘come after’ him when he had sex. You’re warped.

My ex did this to my daughter and it still breaks my heart and fills me with rage that someone could sneak their way out of coughing up what was owed to her.

Kibble29 · 15/11/2024 20:00

Kneebonefuture · 15/11/2024 19:58

My ex did this to my daughter and it still breaks my heart and fills me with rage that someone could sneak their way out of coughing up what was owed to her.

Should be punishable by law IMO. Outrageous how men help conceive a child then crawl back under a rock when it’s time to continue financially.

Kneebonefuture · 15/11/2024 20:00

VeryCheesyChips · 15/11/2024 19:27

I’ve never said or implied any of that. I don’t think, on the face of it, anybody here has done anything wrong, actually.

My post was in response to the poster I quoted suggesting that the other woman was ‘coming after’ the OPs husbands money and that he should change jobs to not have to support a child he (at this moment may or may not have) fathered. I stated the fact that we all know there’s risk of making a life when we have sex and that the other child shouldn’t miss out of being financially supported. I think you need to re-read my comment.

He doesn't have to support a child he hasn't fathered. The cms don't take money from you if you are disputing parentage until a DNA proves you are the father.

Tangerinenets · 15/11/2024 20:04

Good what a shock for him and you all!

Fluffyiguana · 15/11/2024 20:04

housethatbuiltme · 15/11/2024 19:55

Its not about adults its about innocent children. Stop thinking its some cruel to a man 'got ya' from a nasty ex looking to stir drama.

Maybe the ex is terminally ill and planning for the child's future, maybe she lost her job through ill health, maybe she was supported by a family member that died, maybe any number of things turned their life upside down after years of coping without him. That child needs support now regardless and he HAS to give that support if he is the father.

Don't want the risk of having kids then don't have sex (its not an entitlement with no consequences, even protected sex has risk) but once a child exist BOTH parents have a duty to contribute regardless of their feelings.

The illegitimacy laws where revoked because THOUSANDS of children died needlessly so men could get away with affairs etc... ffs. Its not something anyone (especially women who where screwed over for centuries) should support in returning.

So what?

it’s not just about money. A man and his child have missed out on knowing each other for 5 years because of this woman’s actions.

unbelievable that in this situation where there’s no reason currently to think the man involved has done anything wrong and yet posters are still using it as an opportunity to bash men

CovertPiggery · 15/11/2024 20:46

lockdownbabyx · 15/11/2024 19:14

Not that it is anyone's business, but we have been together 4 years yes, but have been friends for 15 years. Glad that's cleared up.

Yes my partner has an IVA, and we were in a tough spot. We are PRIVATELY renting, not off the council like someone has posted. Not that it matters. Financially we are better off than we have ever been, DP is paid very well thankfully. I also work part time.
When I said we couldn't afford it, we will manage, just. Doesn't mean it wouldn't be stressful for us as a family. We planned this 3rd child as we could afford it comfortably. Obviously this bomb has now been dropped on us which changes our financial situation. But it is what it is. Of course what matters most is the children, we will make it work.

Thank you everybody that left kind, helpful comments. Those that were rude, vile, judgmental.. I could go on.
Go f**k yourselves.

I've asked for this thread to be deleted.

Ignore the spiteful arseholes OP. They get some sort of kick out of being nasty.

Fingers crossed the DNA test shows he isn't the dad.

If he is, do contact the IVA company as CMS counts as a priority payment so they will renegotiate the other payments and you'll probably end up with a similar amount of disposable income.

Good luck!

lockdownbabyx · 15/11/2024 20:48

@CovertPiggery thank you! I think he already pays the minimum amount on the IVA so not sure it will make a difference, time will tell. Thank you though x

OP posts:
ForBetterForWorseOrNot · 15/11/2024 20:49

The figure they are suggesting likely does not factor in children he has living with him.

GenerativeAIBot · 15/11/2024 21:58

ForBetterForWorseOrNot · 15/11/2024 20:49

The figure they are suggesting likely does not factor in children he has living with him.

It won’t

DoTheDinosaurStomp · 15/11/2024 22:03

Kneebonefuture · 15/11/2024 18:30

How have you worked that out. She hasn't said how old her children are. Just that they've been together 4 years

Logic. The timeline and the fact that the other child is only 5.

VegTrug · 15/11/2024 22:05

@Silvers11 @OriginalUsername2 CMS obtain their earnings from HMRC

Confusedmeanderings · 15/11/2024 22:15

One step at a time. Deal with the DNA test first. The CMS are unlikely to have factored in your children together so that will make a difference. If you can then tweak the IVA payments, the impact might be less than you think.

VegTrug · 15/11/2024 22:17

ClothingTwin · 15/11/2024 16:25

Its a well known hoax letter that you can get sent isnt it?

Are you sure it Is genuine. Asking for amount when they wouldn't know salary or circumstances isnt typically the process.

They get earnings from HMRC now

PrincessSakura · 15/11/2024 23:03

DoTheDinosaurStomp · 15/11/2024 16:46

Yes, lots of people do have children close in age. Within the same family. Not to different women.

It sounds like this man has irresponsibly had a kid with one person then had another kid to the OP before his first kid was even one year old. It's disgraceful on his part.

I'd question how well the OP really knows this boyfriend, he hardly sounds like a good upstanding chap.

You do know contraception fails? He was in a relationship, it didn’t work out. He says he didn’t know about the child, why assume he is lying? These things happen.
he then found OP and they are seemingly happy and working well if they are having their third child together.