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To think this is an unacceptable wage?

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Youthiswastedontheyoung · 14/11/2024 09:41

I'm a qualified teacher with 21 years' experience who has just started supply so flexibility with a poorly husband and three kids of my own.
Just did a full day supply (8.30-3.30) and came out with £112 net.
Hubby thinks decent wage, I think piss-take!
Opinions please!

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StickyWikkit · 18/11/2024 11:47

Going to use my psychic powers now...

OP will be back to say "I'm working, you know like people who have a job!!!!?!?!!!!"

Enchente · 18/11/2024 12:20

Wigglywoman · 16/11/2024 09:38

I don’t really understand why you are being so rude to everyone first of all. The way you are talking to people is disgusting, you are acting like you are better than everyone whose opinion is different to yours. A lot of people are qualified at things, you aren’t special.

Your experience of 21 years doesn’t mean much when you are doing supply teaching, you are filling in for a few days here and there so you aren’t really bringing all your experience to the table each time. You also aren’t putting in the same work as permanent teachers who have to do parent evenings, lesson plans, marking, dealing with arguments etc etc. I think you need a bit of a reality check at what people are being paid in general and realise your wage is quite generous.

This.

There are many discrepancies in what is being claimed too. I don’t think it’s 21 years as a qualified teacher either, lots of that seems to have been as a TA and also part-time, possibly gaps, which may have influenced day rates.

Since no one can get clarification on something (that is easily clarified via a contract or payslip) without a torrent of abuse response, who knows.

Beryls · 18/11/2024 12:30

I left a full time permanent position in teaching and did supply for a while in primary. It was so much easier doing day to day supply, no overall responsibility and no working outside of hours. I got £120 a day which was tough when I live on my own but I was willing to take that paycut for my own quality of life.

If everyone who did supply was paid to their pay point (I was UPS3 as a permanent teacher) why would anyone bother being a permanent teacher? Supply, in most cases - not all, is a choice because it's better for work life balance.

Don't get me wrong supply is tough when there's no work but there's flexibility to work when you want, not have the responsibility of a class, not having to stay late and work at weekends etc. I think it's a fair day rate.

Youthiswastedontheyoung · 18/11/2024 12:39

@HomelessAngua Ignorant if you think a lot of teachers start work at 9. A large proportion of my colleagues (including me) arrive between 7 and 7.30.
But clearly a lot of people hate teachers so...

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HomelessAngua · 18/11/2024 12:53

Youthiswastedontheyoung · 18/11/2024 12:39

@HomelessAngua Ignorant if you think a lot of teachers start work at 9. A large proportion of my colleagues (including me) arrive between 7 and 7.30.
But clearly a lot of people hate teachers so...

Obviously the early start has led you make mistakes - my post was to ARealitycheck and about school cleaners rates of pay. Nothing about Teachers hours.

Going back to my earlier question about your payslip - what was the gross pay?

Futurethinking2026 · 18/11/2024 13:11

OMG are you still going on with this!

Kneebonefuture · 18/11/2024 13:14

Youthiswastedontheyoung · 14/11/2024 23:56

@ARealitycheck No supply teacher gets holiday and sick pay!!! Surely you.know that?

Supply teachers are entitled to holiday pay!!!!!!!

Goneandwent · 18/11/2024 13:18

HomelessAngua · 18/11/2024 12:53

Obviously the early start has led you make mistakes - my post was to ARealitycheck and about school cleaners rates of pay. Nothing about Teachers hours.

Going back to my earlier question about your payslip - what was the gross pay?

Good luck with getting a straight answer, she doesn’t want to admit gross hourly rate because it will come out at £20ph or more and that doesn’t fit the woe is me “help me I’m poor” narrative she’s trying to spin.

HomelessAngua · 18/11/2024 13:25

Goneandwent · 18/11/2024 13:18

Good luck with getting a straight answer, she doesn’t want to admit gross hourly rate because it will come out at £20ph or more and that doesn’t fit the woe is me “help me I’m poor” narrative she’s trying to spin.

I know..its like trying to nail jelly to a tree....

And I come from an extended family of teachers so am fairly aware of the hours..

Life must be so tiring to be so angry at everything...

Youthiswastedontheyoung · 18/11/2024 13:27

@Futurethinking2026 Jog on, then!
@Homelessangua I apologise - that was to@Arealitycheck who was a making yet another snipy comment about me being a cleaner because I'm in at 7.
That's not an early start though; that's a normal start time.

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Kneebonefuture · 18/11/2024 13:31

Wigglywoman · 16/11/2024 09:38

I don’t really understand why you are being so rude to everyone first of all. The way you are talking to people is disgusting, you are acting like you are better than everyone whose opinion is different to yours. A lot of people are qualified at things, you aren’t special.

Your experience of 21 years doesn’t mean much when you are doing supply teaching, you are filling in for a few days here and there so you aren’t really bringing all your experience to the table each time. You also aren’t putting in the same work as permanent teachers who have to do parent evenings, lesson plans, marking, dealing with arguments etc etc. I think you need a bit of a reality check at what people are being paid in general and realise your wage is quite generous.

I know right. A teacher who doesn't know what a band 5 nurse is? And thinks she can just lie and say she's a sahm to get a Council house. Her replies are not just rude but batshit!

StickyWikkit · 18/11/2024 13:44

Are you trying to fill the thread@Enchente ?

Enchente · 18/11/2024 14:12

StickyWikkit · 18/11/2024 13:44

Are you trying to fill the thread@Enchente ?

Given how this thread has evolved, it has occurred me to OP doesn’t have a day rate goal so much as a goal of getting a MN thread to 1000.

So just helping out with that.

Biffingtonclyro · 18/11/2024 14:42

Isn't that everyone's goal?

Biffingtonclyro · 18/11/2024 14:42

Getting threads to 1000?

Biffingtonclyro · 18/11/2024 14:42

Can we stop it at 999 out of frustration?

Fluufer · 18/11/2024 14:45

This thread has taken a really odd turn. Probably for the best it is at a close. There's some shit stirring brand new usernames taking over, and I genuinely don't think OP is well. I highly suggest nobody engage with OPs next thread (there will be one) for her own sake.

MeandT · 18/11/2024 15:21

Goneandwent · 18/11/2024 13:18

Good luck with getting a straight answer, she doesn’t want to admit gross hourly rate because it will come out at £20ph or more and that doesn’t fit the woe is me “help me I’m poor” narrative she’s trying to spin.

OP has happily said several times that her gross pay for the day was £140. But not the number of hours or the hourly rate paid.

I suspect this is because the agency considers that she worked 6 hours, but she counted 7 hours (8.30-3.30). The reality is that teachers don't get paid for breaks, same as every other employee. And the law says you have to have a minimum of 20 minutes break if you're working a continuous time of 6 hours or more.

So the agency likely paid '6 hours', which is an effective gross rate of £23.33. Even if she worked the statutory bare minimum 20 minute break, the hourly rate would be at least £21.02. But an hourly rate 31%+ higher than the take home number OP is all outraged about doesn't fit the narrative, so all posts for 40 pages pointing this out have been conveniently overlooked.

For a full time teacher with PPA load, 10 hours a day for 195 days at the £23.33 rate would be a salary equivalent of £45,500.

So we're all agreed that the OP is either grousing about not getting the additional PPA work hours to do when working supply, or objecting to the tax deduction. I'm sure the £112 net from £140 gross is correct, as for 1 day a week, she won't cross the minimum earnings thread for NIC & pension in her second job. But will pay tax at a straight rate of 20% because her tax free allowance is applied in full to her first job.

This is probably why the net pay looks a pittance compared to her salaried 50% time job, because she is effectively paid for 10 hours a day (195 days a year) in that role, not 6, and only has an effective tax rate of around 12% on those earnings.

But using the gross hourly rate to compare to receptionists, wait staff & cleaners is far too much like inconvenient logic, so here we are.

Hope OP got something out of all of this, in the end?!?

Lisanoonan · 18/11/2024 15:37

God is this thread still going

Youthiswastedontheyoung · 18/11/2024 15:59

@Fluufer Hi N x

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Youthiswastedontheyoung · 18/11/2024 16:02

@Lisanoonan You know it's not compulsory to be on it? 😀

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Fluufer · 18/11/2024 16:22

Youthiswastedontheyoung · 18/11/2024 15:59

@Fluufer Hi N x

What is that supposed to mean?

EverythingElseIsTaken · 18/11/2024 17:05

I was VERY glad to read that OP starts her school day at 7am. It means she definitely isn’t one of the teachers at my school!

ARealitycheck · 18/11/2024 18:18

EverythingElseIsTaken · 18/11/2024 17:05

I was VERY glad to read that OP starts her school day at 7am. It means she definitely isn’t one of the teachers at my school!

I challenge anybody to have a look at the local school car park between 7am and 8am. You will be lucky to see 3 cars, the janitors, maybe a cleaner and possibly headmaster. These teachers must think we all wander round with our eyes closed.

EverythingElseIsTaken · 18/11/2024 18:39

ARealitycheck · 18/11/2024 18:18

I challenge anybody to have a look at the local school car park between 7am and 8am. You will be lucky to see 3 cars, the janitors, maybe a cleaner and possibly headmaster. These teachers must think we all wander round with our eyes closed.

Well I park in my school car park at around 7:45. By then there are usually four or five teachers in but non premises staff aren’t supposed to be on site before 7:30 so that’s they arrive. Several of our staff don’t drive to school - they either walk or get public transport. All teaching staff are in by 8:15.

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