To think this is an unacceptable wage?

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I'm a qualified teacher with 21 years' experience who has just started supply so flexibility with a poorly husband and three kids of my own.
Just did a full day supply (8.30-3.30) and came out with £112 net.
Hubby thinks decent wage, I think piss-take!
Opinions please!

@Donsyb Where's the sick pay then?

@ItTook9Years My 14 and 17 yo?!!!! 😆
4 yo her nanny.

It's more than the same amount though because even though the hourly pay is lower, there are simply not enough hours available to make supply teaching that economical unless you have another income as you can't do supply in holiday time.

So she will end up with more money than she'll get on supply as even though the hourly pay is lower, she can do a lot more hours work .

Here’s a KS2/3 maths problem:

Jane earns £25 an hour. She works 2 days a week for 6 hours a day over 38 weeks a year.

How many more hours will she need to work to earn the same amount if she takes a job at £18 an hour?

(answer: 28% more hours, either through much longer days during term time, or spending more days away from her small children during weekends and school holidays.)

Doesn't sound like a slam dunk to me.

No it doesn't, because there is only the option to work 195 days - I.e. every teaching day plus 5 INSET. That's assuming there is work every day, but there are typically periods with no work, especially at the start and end of the school year and near holidays.

It probably also includes holiday pay - at least that is how many agencies do it.

No job security, no sick pay (but the job often means covering sickness so you are exposed to the illnesses).

At what cost though?

@ItTook9Years Guaranteed income too which supply isn't!

Most people work through school holidays, no?

Indeed. By using costly childcare or splitting holidays with a spouse. What’s your plan?

A teacher earns £43,000 a year.

Assume a typical teaching day.
Guess how many hours a teacher works in the evenings during a teaching week.
Guess how many hours they work during the weekends in term time
Look at the holiday times and guess how many hours they work in that time

Add up the total hours and work out the pay per hour a teacher gets.

Presumably the reason you’ve stayed in teaching is because of the school holiday element.

Her elderly mum does all her childcare.

@ItTook9Years Nanny (my mum)

I did supply for a while and had some other income as well during term time and holiday time.

I then gave it up for a guaranteed predictable office job.

Supply, especially day to day supply, is unpredictable - and has its peaks and troughs.

Supply teachers don’t do all of that though.

(I know exactly what teaching entails, thanks. Both of my parents were teachers! When they needed more money, mum taught music lessons in the evenings and dad wrote music for films. They didn’t take work that defeated the object of them having school holidays off.)

i get that. It’s just OP said at the start the reliability was needed due to unwell husband and small kids, but somehow that’s been shelved.

@Fluufer She's 65 so not exactly elderly. My husband also takes holiday because our daughter is equally his responsibility.

I am NOT talking about supply teachers.

I am talking about permanent teachers - and what a permanent teacher actually earns per hour.

I did the sums - based on my experience - and got about £22 an hour

It is no longer beneficial to attend university.
60k debt you can't pay off and you earn that small amount. I went to uni pre robbery in tuition and afforded it with working 2 years bwfore hand. I had no debt leaving uni. I would never got to university now as it no longer beneficial in the long term. Waste of money. 60k debt omg!!!!!

@ItTook9Years Not sure my 14 and 17 yo are THAT small 😆

Going back to the OP - the actual pay of a supply teacher is ok, given what a supply teacher does.

It's just that the days available and the reliability make it difficult financially.

She used to be older. How remarkable.

The daily rate for supply work at my three nearest secondary schools is £130. That's probably covering all five x1 hour lessons, but work stops at 3.15pm. No marking, parents' evenings, department meetings etc.

£130 gross per day doesn't sound like enough, at least not for me, doing very stressful work, so I have always declined this rate.

For context, I earned £200 gross per day in 2018 on medium-term supply in a much wealthier part of the country.

@Fluufer She's just had a birthday - I do beg your pardon!
My daughter also attends school :) * *

Yeah, but op doesn't teach maths, so thats fine