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To think this is an unacceptable wage?

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Youthiswastedontheyoung · 14/11/2024 09:41

I'm a qualified teacher with 21 years' experience who has just started supply so flexibility with a poorly husband and three kids of my own.
Just did a full day supply (8.30-3.30) and came out with £112 net.
Hubby thinks decent wage, I think piss-take!
Opinions please!

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HomelessAngua · 18/11/2024 00:05

Youthiswastedontheyoung · 17/11/2024 23:57

@HomelessAngua As.said earlier, £140 - £28 tax. No other deductions.

Did it state hours worked? And what was the NIC/tax split?

Comefromaway · 18/11/2024 00:06

Cambridge have not offered any places yet.

all offers will go out on 30th Jan 2025

Youthiswastedontheyoung · 18/11/2024 00:16

@Labraradabrador Indeed. As a class teacher I work 9 - 3.30. I haven't spent all afternoon lesson planning, and I'm not in meetings tomorrow after school until 5.30. I won't spend my day "off" on Thurday marking writing and assessments or planning and amending/tailoring the lessons for next week.
It really is an effortless job.

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Labraradabrador · 18/11/2024 00:19

Youthiswastedontheyoung · 18/11/2024 00:16

@Labraradabrador Indeed. As a class teacher I work 9 - 3.30. I haven't spent all afternoon lesson planning, and I'm not in meetings tomorrow after school until 5.30. I won't spend my day "off" on Thurday marking writing and assessments or planning and amending/tailoring the lessons for next week.
It really is an effortless job.

Edited

super - lots of people enjoy similar hours at similar (or lower) pay. Why are you complaining, then?

Youthiswastedontheyoung · 18/11/2024 00:21

@Labraradabrador You were clearly suggesting long hours/working hard automatically equals good pay.
For you perhaps.

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Labraradabrador · 18/11/2024 00:30

Youthiswastedontheyoung · 18/11/2024 00:21

@Labraradabrador You were clearly suggesting long hours/working hard automatically equals good pay.
For you perhaps.

Bad at maths and reading comp - what is it you are qualified to teach, again?

I am just suggesting that pay sometimes, somewhat corresponds to hours and expertise - radical, I know!

Reduced hours and low expertise work (such as supply teaching) earn less than full time, higher expertise teaching roles. Those of us on higher wages frequently are using very specialist capabilities and/or working in more challenging circumstances. It isn’t a direct correlation between effort and reward, but it is absolutely laughable to complain about compensation while working less than full time in a role beneath your theoretical skill set (though I am actually grateful you aren’t fully responsible for the children given your general aptitude and attitude).

Youthiswastedontheyoung · 18/11/2024 00:36

@Labraradabrador Well far better at grammar than you!
Low expertise work - yeah, ask any supply teacher if that's what it is!! How patronising.
But I'm not "just" a supply teacher; that's my secondary role. My main role is class teaching.
But clearly all of us teachers are thick as crap compared to your superior intelligence. Well, the ones teaching in state schools anyway. The ones teaching in the private sector all have doctorates.

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MeandT · 18/11/2024 01:01

Thank goodness this thread will be full soon.

I generally have a lot of sympathy for teachers & the fact they work their arses off for not a stupendous salary.

But thanks to the utter lack of comprehension, and the general sniping, argumentative, missing-the-pointness of OPs ongoing rebuttals, I have to say most of my sympathy for teachers in general has gone right out the window thanks to the representations of just one of your number.

Quite the achievement! Slow hand clap there for OP 👏👏👏

Do enjoy the cleaning.

Youthiswastedontheyoung · 18/11/2024 01:03

@MeandT Do enjoy the bitching.

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MeandT · 18/11/2024 01:06

I've written multiple, practical, calculated, accurate posts demonstrating hourly rates, tax workings, and best use of your time. ALL of which you have roundly ignored.

The only posts you've picked up on throughout are are the ones which give you an opportunity to snipe at other posters.

I think shoe is firmly on the other foot in this instance!

ARealitycheck · 18/11/2024 04:43

Youthiswastedontheyoung · 18/11/2024 00:36

@Labraradabrador Well far better at grammar than you!
Low expertise work - yeah, ask any supply teacher if that's what it is!! How patronising.
But I'm not "just" a supply teacher; that's my secondary role. My main role is class teaching.
But clearly all of us teachers are thick as crap compared to your superior intelligence. Well, the ones teaching in state schools anyway. The ones teaching in the private sector all have doctorates.

Edited

We aren't talking about your main role here though. The supply work does not require the same skills as a different position. As such you are paid based on the skills the job requires, not what you have.

An example would be you taking a job in McDonalds. You wouldn't be paid circa £24ph before tax to flip burgers. That's despite you having whatever qualifications.

ARealitycheck · 18/11/2024 04:51

MeandT · 18/11/2024 01:01

Thank goodness this thread will be full soon.

I generally have a lot of sympathy for teachers & the fact they work their arses off for not a stupendous salary.

But thanks to the utter lack of comprehension, and the general sniping, argumentative, missing-the-pointness of OPs ongoing rebuttals, I have to say most of my sympathy for teachers in general has gone right out the window thanks to the representations of just one of your number.

Quite the achievement! Slow hand clap there for OP 👏👏👏

Do enjoy the cleaning.

I had the same moment of clarity years ago when a friend who was one year in to qualified teaching started going on about strikes. Now I knew her routine post work and knew she didn't work until midnight marking papers etc.

Like in this I pointed out the actual working day including breaks. The leaving the school by 4pm despite entering the car park at not much before 9am. The long holidays. Then worked her wage out based on her being only 2nd tier.

Now this was about 6 or 7 years ago and she was on £35k a year for a roughly 28 hour working week after breaks as well as around 14 weeks holiday. Her hubby worked primary and was on a bit less but not much. She genuinely couldn't comprehend what many families actually do live on.

Youthiswastedontheyoung · 18/11/2024 07:29

@ARealitycheck I've already been in work half an hour!! 😂 😆 😂 😂 😆 😂 😆 😂

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nothingcomestonothing · 18/11/2024 07:37

OP has jumped so many sharks at this point she could probably apply for a second job at SeaWorld.

cakeorwine · 18/11/2024 07:42

MeandT · 17/11/2024 23:05

Is that an employed job, or freelance OP?

If self-employed, don't forget to register for Class 2 NICs with HMRC and put £40.45 a week aside for your tax return.

You should end up with £144.55/week net from your 10 hours cleaning over 2 days (rather than £112 net from 6.5 hours supply teaching in a single day).

Or 29% more net pay from 53% more hours. And no weekday off.

But if that works for you because it's guaranteed & year round, fair enough!

Supply teaching is only on certain days of the year.
Cleaning has more days per year available for teaching.

StickyWikkit · 18/11/2024 08:14

cakeorwine · 18/11/2024 07:42

Supply teaching is only on certain days of the year.
Cleaning has more days per year available for teaching.

Hours available is not what the op is ranting about, or it wasn't at the start.

It's all been covered above.

StickyWikkit · 18/11/2024 08:20

So, class, let's see if we can work out where the poster meant the film, and not something else. As we all know it's important to look at the authors intent, what did they mean?

Let's start with the evidence. Here is the post in question.

however in later posts say you have a mother with Benjamin Button syndrome (or at least claimed by another poster - although they could have been confused by your post about your in laws)

What do we know about the film? (10 points)
What do we know about the mother? (10 points)
And what is the link? (25 points)

for the last question, you'll need to look at the OPs history of posting and other posters on this thread.

30 mins

DurinsBane · 18/11/2024 09:16

Youthiswastedontheyoung · 18/11/2024 00:36

@Labraradabrador Well far better at grammar than you!
Low expertise work - yeah, ask any supply teacher if that's what it is!! How patronising.
But I'm not "just" a supply teacher; that's my secondary role. My main role is class teaching.
But clearly all of us teachers are thick as crap compared to your superior intelligence. Well, the ones teaching in state schools anyway. The ones teaching in the private sector all have doctorates.

Edited

Or not even qualified as they don’t have to be in private schools 🤣

ARealitycheck · 18/11/2024 09:23

Youthiswastedontheyoung · 18/11/2024 07:29

@ARealitycheck I've already been in work half an hour!! 😂 😆 😂 😂 😆 😂 😆 😂

Edited

Bloody hell your in at 7am. Are you the school cleaner too? No wonder your tax is so high! 😂

DurinsBane · 18/11/2024 09:26

Youthiswastedontheyoung · 17/11/2024 23:56

@Labraradabrador How fantastic! Sounds great. Were you also privately educated the same as your children?
My son's been offered a place at Cambridge but unlikely he'll get in in reality as he's only state educated. Oh and from divorced parents so even more unlikely I'd imagine.
I'm a class teacher 3 days a week so I only work 9-3.30 on those days too so yes, a similar comfortable and effortless lifestyle(!)

If he has been offered a place he is already in isnt he?

HomelessAngua · 18/11/2024 09:27

ARealitycheck · 18/11/2024 09:23

Bloody hell your in at 7am. Are you the school cleaner too? No wonder your tax is so high! 😂

School cleaners in some places get national living wage £11.44 gross, a bit less than the £16 nett.

Comefromaway · 18/11/2024 09:44

DurinsBane · 18/11/2024 09:26

If he has been offered a place he is already in isnt he?

Well quite!

Cambridge applications for next year closed last month and although interview offers are starting to go out now no-one will be offered a place until January.

Those offered a place last year will have started already.

Those offered a place last year but who have negotiated a deferral will already have their grades so will know if the offer is confirmed.

So which is it OP?

Mnetcurious · 18/11/2024 10:00

Comefromaway · 18/11/2024 09:44

Well quite!

Cambridge applications for next year closed last month and although interview offers are starting to go out now no-one will be offered a place until January.

Those offered a place last year will have started already.

Those offered a place last year but who have negotiated a deferral will already have their grades so will know if the offer is confirmed.

So which is it OP?

She said eldest child is 17 so will be at application/interview stage at most. Caught up in a few fibs now.

Goneandwent · 18/11/2024 10:52

Things you’ve outright lied about and completely ignored answering when challenged.

Your mother’s age: She has miraculously got younger as time has passed, making the Benjamin Button comment relevant and hilarious. But you knew that movie reference, unless you’ve been living under a rock, you just decided to feign ignorance and faux outrage to use it as a Gotcha! moment rather than address why you’re lying in the first place. We all know it’s because putting on your elderly mother so much for childcare is out of order, so you shaved a few years off her age to make it look more acceptable. It still isn’t.

Your wage: On other threads you say you work 2.5 days a week as a teacher with a take home of £1400pm. Your DH earns £1800pm. You moaned that £1700 left over after the mortgage and council tax was not enough for food or utilities! Of course it is! When in fact you are earning more than £1400pm because you’ve been doing supply on top! Which apparently still isn’t good enough for you.

Being a feminist: You think by using the title Ms it makes you somehow morally superior or unique in comparison to women who chose Mrs. It’s isn’t and you’re not. What is more telling is the underlying absolute contempt you have for other women, I’ve never seen such goady comments, but that was another attempt to deflect from the topic at hand. You think women are automatically “bitchy” and not as well “considered” as men just because the majority of MN users are women and the majority don’t agree with you. Usually when that happens it means you’re in the wrong and some people actually have the humility to admit it. Imagine that! For some reason you assume you would receive a better response from men, bold of you to think so, when in reality anyone with a shred of logic and or in possession of basic maths skills can see the maths ain’t mathing. But if you want to work more hours on a lesser hourly rate, good luck to you I guess. No doubt you’ll be writing another post next month under another username declaring how unfair cleaning is.

Being overcrowded to get social housing: Your 2 teens don’t live with you half of the time and your eldest is almost at university, which fits nicely into the next lie about your son getting an offer from Cambridge: when no offers have yet been given.

Perhaps you should go into politics, considering you’ve made an art form of lying, deflection and the use of red herring arguments once exposed. I’m sure many would agree that it would be best if you left teaching altogether, you obviously don’t like it, you obviously think you’re better than parents, you’re dishonest and sexist, you hold some seriously warped views and you don’t listen to reason. Not exactly ideal characteristics for someone who is responsible for shaping young minds! Particularly girls.

I look forward to either a one liner retort that doesn’t even attempt to address any of the above or I’ll just listen for the crickets.

Fizbosshoes · 18/11/2024 11:08

One of the (very few) comments that OP hasn't reacted to is whether it was clear or whether she knew what the day rate was for her day of supply teaching.
Which I suspect means they did know in advance and were either unaware how many hours were required, or hadn't calculated the tax/NI contributions.
I don't think anyone would argue that teaching is underpaid for the responsibility, and compared with many other graduate careers. But if they took the supply work instead of the very easy to get and better paid cleaning job that happened to be available knowing what the gross pay was then it shouldn't have been too much of a surprise.

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