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To be confused why DIL has suddenly changed in how she treats me

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helpamilout · 12/11/2024 20:23

My son is in his mid-30s and has been with his wife for nearly a decade. They dated for 3-4 years before getting married. When they were dating, she was lovely—chatty, friendly and extremely polite, almost overly so, often saying things like, “Do you mind if I use your bathroom?” or “Thank you very much” for even small gestures.

After they got engaged, everything still seemed fine. But a couple of weeks before the wedding, they told us she was six weeks pregnant, and that’s when things began to change. She became more private and somewhat secretive about the pregnancy (which is of course her right—it was just very different from how she had been before). She was quieter in conversations and didn’t reach out to us as much as she used to. I don’t believe we did anything to cause this; we avoided giving unsolicited advice and tried to be supportive. The only thing I can think of is that I once mentioned C-sections having longer recovery times when she shared she was considering it, but that seems minor.

We also expressed that we were very excited to meet the baby, though we didn’t pressure them with specific timing. We ended up meeting our grandchild when they were one month old, while her mom met the baby in the hospital and her dad when the baby was just three days old. When she was pregnant with their second, they didn’t tell us until she was 20 weeks along, even though it seemed her close friends already knew.

They never ask us to babysit but often ask her parents. They visit her parents once a month, but they only come to see us once or twice a year, despite us living the same distance away (a couple of hours, though in the opposite direction). I do see them a bit more often because I go to visit them, but they never invite me to stay overnight, whereas her mom often stays with them.

It’s perhaps worth noting that my daughter-in-law is a stay-at-home mom, and my son works long hours, sometimes on weekends. While arranging visits should ideally be a joint effort, it often falls on her since my son can’t really insist on her seeing us when he isn’t around. My son does make an effort to plan visits with us when he’s off work, but when I do visit, she seems distant and disengaged. I’ve heard her mention that the drive to us is “far,” yet she drives the same distance to her parents regularly. During visits, she often seems uninterested and sometimes responds quite shortly. For instance, when I asked how long the baby typically naps, she just shrugged and said, “Depends.” And when I brought a homemade banana cake for everyone to share, she laughed and said he doesn’t like bananas anymore.

I’m confused what has caused this. I’ve asked my son but he says everything is fine. Should I ask her? If so, how? Can MNers see what I’ve made done wrong or help me guess?

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Summerhillsquare · 12/11/2024 20:29

Biology rules usually.

helpamilout · 12/11/2024 20:30

Summerhillsquare · 12/11/2024 20:29

Biology rules usually.

Sorry I'm not quite sure I understand what you mean

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Alittlebitfluffy · 12/11/2024 20:32

I think you have to ask. From what you've said I can't see the issue, but it seems you've either upset or offended her somehow. Whether that's the reality or she's being over sensitive, who knows...

Seems odd your son is saying everything is fine if he's been privy to all the changes. Is he one to avoid confrontation and just bury his head in the sand? Is he any different with you or is it just her?

Hard one though, you'll have to tread carefully but I'd ask her if you have upset her or something... or perhaps ask if you could come and stay overnight one weekend and she how she takes it?

Brefugee · 12/11/2024 20:35

for most couples it is up to the son/husband to keep up the relationship with his family.

It is supremely natural for a woman to be much much closer to her own mother when she has a child etc etc. Even though he works long hours, there is nothing at all stopping your son from arranging to visit you, or have you visit them.

RitaFromThePitCanteen · 12/11/2024 20:35

Your DIL isn't the only one in the relationship. I would stop focusing on the idea that everything wrong is coming from your DIL and reach out to your son more to arrange visits and so on, as he is also the parent of your grandchild, it's not just her. Perhaps your DIL has picked up on your (subconscious?) belief that DILs are mainly responsible for facilitating relationships with relatives and is reacting against that expectation.

helpamilout · 12/11/2024 20:38

@Alittlebitfluffy

Is he one to avoid confrontation and just bury his head in the sand? Is he any different with you or is it just her?

He's no different with me. If anything, he's more talkative over WhatsApp and calls us more, I guess because previously it would be her arranging visits or sending us some holiday snaps, but now it's him.
When I asked he just said "yes she's just busy being a mum, you know how it is" but I'm 99% sure it's not just that. I don't feel like I should constantly ask him to avoid pressuring him and also, if he wanted to, he'd have told me when I first asked.
I guess he doesn't like drama but I wouldn't say he avoids confrontation.

ask if you could come and stay overnight one weekend and she how she takes it?

I frequently offer to babysit but they always say no. I don't feel like I can ask to stay overnight and she's already frosty with me, would inviting myself over not make it worse? Would I be overstaying my welcome?

I think you're right, I need to ask her. Just need to figure out... how to word it.

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pizzaHeart · 12/11/2024 20:41

It looks like she is not interested in relationship with you having her own parents and was just pretending earlier to give a good impression.
I know people would say that you son should make an effort ( and it’s true) but it looks like your DIL is very discouraging.
It could be that something’s upset her, maybe it wasn’t even towards her directly. It could be the issue with your son by the way.
Also her answer about naps is a bit like mine usually to my own mum - my mum is nice and kind but she likes commenting, it’s natural for her and comes from a good heart but we have different views about lots of issues plus it’s quite overwhelming for me because I’m quite an anxious person. I’m not saying you are like my mum but it could be something like this.
Hope you resolve this.

biscuitcat · 12/11/2024 20:41

Agree that asking, in a tactful way, seems the only way forward here, as from what you've written it doesn't sound like there's been any specific trigger so you're probably onto a loser trying to figure it out for yourself.

Maybe specifically naming the behaviour you've noticed with your son, rather than just a general 'what's changed' could help, if you haven't tried that? Along the lines of, 'I've noticed that 'Jane' seems to be a bit cool with me recently, things like only giving short answers when I come and visit, where we used to be able to have lovely chats, and it seems like we've been kept a bit out of the loop with things like finding out about the pregnancy very late. You know I love you all and would love to have a closer relationship, so if there is something which I've done or which has happened, I'd love to know about it so I do something about it'? Keep it non-critical/blaming and be really open to making changes, just curious.

And maybe let your son know you'd love to see them more and ask for some dates? I agree that with his hours he needs to be responsible for dates (my husband also works away and coordinates when we see his mum himself), but he might need more of a hint from you that you'd really like that.

Alittlebitfluffy · 12/11/2024 20:42

Perhaps she may be struggling with it all a bit, extremely exhausted etc?

She probably feels like she needs to be a bit more put together to see you for example VS her own parents.

I am very close to my MIL and despite what comments above have said I do tend to do a lot of the messaging and organising mostly because my partner isn't the best at remembering to reply etc. And for me the only time this has changed is if something has happened to strain the relationship. This can sometimes be that I'm really stressed or burnt out and withdraw a bit. Whereas I will lean on my parents more because I feel more comfortable with them seeing me vulnerable.

So perhaps it's something like that?

AgileGreenSeal · 12/11/2024 20:45

I’m not sure I would raise it because well, what good will it do? If she’s just not that interested in being close to you, do you really need to hear her say so? If she wanted you there more she would ask you to come. What’s the good of making an issue out of it?

Lavender14 · 12/11/2024 20:46

I'm thinking the same as pp, there may not be anything 'wrong' as such but if she's naturally just closer with her family because they're her family then it makes sense that she would make that effort with them. And if they're looking at it like your ds is the one to arrange doing things with you then that may be why it's happening less often by comparison. So I'd try not to think too much into that and I'd make more effort with dilute specifically, suggest you her and the two kids go and do some fun things together during the day because you'd like to catch up with her, or maybe suggest a day where you and her could get lunch and do some Xmas shopping while your ds looks after the kids.

Sometimes things aren't logical. I did feel better about my parents minding ds than my inlaws. I couldn't tell you why but I guess because I knew they raised me and how they parented me that felt weirdly safer because I knew what to expect from them and i also knew i could tell them to do xy and z and not worry about offending them. I had awful pregnancy related anxiety and had to build up to my in laws babysitting even though logically I knew there was no reason for it and that they'd look after ds perfectly well. It was all hormonal and ppa. So it may not be anything that's actually to do with you at all. She maybe is just exhausted from being a sahm of two young children.

I think if you do decide to ask her then I'd just say you'd love to be closer with her and you really value her in how much she does for your son and your gc and you enjoy her company. And then suggest doing something nice together. Doing something just the two of you also shows her you want to spend time with HER and not just your grandchildren.

Diarygirlqueen · 12/11/2024 20:49

From reading some of these threads, it's definitely hard being a MIL, especially if it's your son. When I deal with my MIL, I always try and remember I have 2 sons and how I hope my dil will treat me. I hope this gets resolved, you sound lovely. It is natural for a daughter to favour her mum, but I think she's treating you very unfairly. Good luck

Parapaderapa · 12/11/2024 20:50

Maybe she doesn’t want to put you out? Have you offered to babysit? I get on really well with my in-laws and they see us more than my parents, but I leave all the arranging up to my husband. I do all the arranging with my parents.

Do you think you were being a bit judgemental at the beginning, albeit inadvertently. Sections don’t have a longer recovery time compared to vaginal births, so maybe she thought you were judging her a bit and she is worried about sharing information with you.

CandyCane457 · 12/11/2024 20:50

Your focus is all about your DIL, but what about your son?

This section of your post…

We also expressed that we were very excited to meet the baby, though we didn’t pressure them with specific timing. We ended up meeting our grandchild when they were one month old, while her mom met the baby in the hospital and her dad when the baby was just three days old. When she was pregnant with their second, they didn’t tell us until she was 20 weeks along, even though it seemed her close friends already knew.
They never ask us to babysit but often ask her parents. They visit her parents once a month, but they only come to see us once or twice a year, despite us living the same distance away (a couple of hours, though in the opposite direction). I do see them a bit more often because I go to visit them, but they never invite me to stay overnight, whereas her mom often stays with them.

Surely a lot of this is down to your son? Why are you putting it all on your DIL? At the end of the day, surely it’s more up to him to make plans with his own mother?

twomanyfrogsinabox · 12/11/2024 20:52

She's closer to her own mum than you and prefers her own families company to her DH's. Not much you can do about that, I don't think you have done anything wrong and I don't think she dislikes you but a choice between seeing her mum or you her mum wins.

Zestyfrost · 12/11/2024 20:55

I can't see why this might be happening from what you have said.

But, I think my own MIL could have written this. The reason I am now as low contact with her as possible is because of her, as a person, not because she is my MIL.

Nothing big has happened and I was always eager to have a good relationship, polite, chatty, made lots of effort. But who she is has ground me down to the point that I can barely speak to her now.

I don't think she will understand why at all, in fact I even wondered if you were my MIL reading your opening post, the situations are so similar.

My husband knows I struggle with her but not the extent so he would also reassure her that everything is fine, I'm tired/busy etc.

But I feel like nothing will change so I would hate to have a 'tactful' conversation with mine, if she tried. What can I say? I can't bear you? It's hard and stressful but I'm at a loss with it all.

So, to sum up, I don't know why your situation is as it is. But I highlighted mine as it's complicated, nuanced and hard to navigate. I hope you can fund a resolution!

lawlessland · 12/11/2024 20:55

If there really hasn't been any falling out or misunderstanding then maybe it's not for any particular reason. Has she got sick of managing her family and his and now they've had kids she's passed the organising etc to him?

My husband is so shit at contacting his parents and wider family. They would probably say they don't see him enough and blame me but they don't know they wouldn't see him at all if I didn't arrange it or tell him to call.

CocoDC · 12/11/2024 20:56

If she’s relying on her DP so much she probably isn’t coping. I would probably call out the rudeness immediately as and when it arises - eg a simple ‘I wouldn’t know as you never tell me about the baby’ re the banana cake would be enough.

Mention again to your son that you’d like to see the gc more and see what he says. Maybe he can bring them to you for the day while sil has a break if she doesn’t fancy making the trip?

IvyIvyIvy · 12/11/2024 20:56

She might just be exhausted. And it's hard doing all the niceties when you are knackered. It's very easy to just feel grumpy and a bit miserable all the time when you have no time to yourself and are raising small children. Also, you and everyone else forgets who you are as a person....whereas before you'd chat about work, travelling, books you've read.....after kids you just get asked how long the kids nap, what the kids have been up to or how you are getting on with losing the baby weight. Give her a break and ask her if there is anything you can do to help her out. Try not to dump another bunch of expectations on her.

ManhattanPopcorn · 12/11/2024 20:56

I'm wondering if her issue is actually with him and not with you. Given how much he works and how it sounds like the mental load is falling entirely to her, I'm wondering if they argued and she decided to disengage and leave it entirely up to him to deal with his side of the family.

Cavalierorwhat · 12/11/2024 20:58

I can’t imagine not sharing the joy of a newborn with their grandparent for a whole month. How sad. And I can’t imagine the circumstances that my son would ever let this happen.
I really feel for you op.

helpamilout · 12/11/2024 21:00

@Brefugee @RitaFromThePitCanteen

How it works with the visits is that in order for them to visit either set of grandparents, DIL says they'd need more than just a weekend because it's far. To her own parents she goes for a few nights each time. Whilst my son can arrange a weekend visit, DIL won't go if it's only for a couple of days "as the journey won't be worth the amount of time we spend there" and I think she's against the kids going without her, she wants to supervise. And she (presumably) wouldn't stay longer if DH isn't staying, he also can't make her.
Yes, I guess DS could take the kids away even if she doesn't "allow" but I'm guessing he doesn't want to go against her as they generally seem happy in the marriage and she's a very hands on mum in that she's always with the kids, doesn't like to leave them, rarely goes anywhere without the kids unless she absolutely must (in the case of a doctors appointment her mum will babysit). He arranges for us to visit them, and a full day programme of fun activities, once a month, he's even paid for a hotel for us on a few occasions so that we can stay later and see them again the next day,

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Lavender14 · 12/11/2024 21:00

CocoDC · 12/11/2024 20:56

If she’s relying on her DP so much she probably isn’t coping. I would probably call out the rudeness immediately as and when it arises - eg a simple ‘I wouldn’t know as you never tell me about the baby’ re the banana cake would be enough.

Mention again to your son that you’d like to see the gc more and see what he says. Maybe he can bring them to you for the day while sil has a break if she doesn’t fancy making the trip?

'If she’s relying on her DP so much she probably isn’t coping. I would probably call out the rudeness immediately as and when it arises - eg a simple ‘I wouldn’t know as you never tell me about the baby’ re the banana cake would be enough.'

Is this really what a mum who isn't coping needs though??? @CocoDC to me that would finish the relationship rather than help it if she's struggling.

CocoDC · 12/11/2024 21:03

twomanyfrogsinabox · 12/11/2024 20:52

She's closer to her own mum than you and prefers her own families company to her DH's. Not much you can do about that, I don't think you have done anything wrong and I don't think she dislikes you but a choice between seeing her mum or you her mum wins.

Dil is a sahp. She could see her DP during the week if she wanted and DH’s dp on the weekend. That she’s choosing to take over weekends for her dp and dh is going along with it is totally wrong

LoquaciousPineapple · 12/11/2024 21:04

CocoDC · 12/11/2024 20:56

If she’s relying on her DP so much she probably isn’t coping. I would probably call out the rudeness immediately as and when it arises - eg a simple ‘I wouldn’t know as you never tell me about the baby’ re the banana cake would be enough.

Mention again to your son that you’d like to see the gc more and see what he says. Maybe he can bring them to you for the day while sil has a break if she doesn’t fancy making the trip?

What a charmer you are! You identify that you think she's having a hard time coping with the children, so rather than show any empathy, your solution is to "call her out" and embarrass her in front of other people?

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