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To be confused why DIL has suddenly changed in how she treats me

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helpamilout · 12/11/2024 20:23

My son is in his mid-30s and has been with his wife for nearly a decade. They dated for 3-4 years before getting married. When they were dating, she was lovely—chatty, friendly and extremely polite, almost overly so, often saying things like, “Do you mind if I use your bathroom?” or “Thank you very much” for even small gestures.

After they got engaged, everything still seemed fine. But a couple of weeks before the wedding, they told us she was six weeks pregnant, and that’s when things began to change. She became more private and somewhat secretive about the pregnancy (which is of course her right—it was just very different from how she had been before). She was quieter in conversations and didn’t reach out to us as much as she used to. I don’t believe we did anything to cause this; we avoided giving unsolicited advice and tried to be supportive. The only thing I can think of is that I once mentioned C-sections having longer recovery times when she shared she was considering it, but that seems minor.

We also expressed that we were very excited to meet the baby, though we didn’t pressure them with specific timing. We ended up meeting our grandchild when they were one month old, while her mom met the baby in the hospital and her dad when the baby was just three days old. When she was pregnant with their second, they didn’t tell us until she was 20 weeks along, even though it seemed her close friends already knew.

They never ask us to babysit but often ask her parents. They visit her parents once a month, but they only come to see us once or twice a year, despite us living the same distance away (a couple of hours, though in the opposite direction). I do see them a bit more often because I go to visit them, but they never invite me to stay overnight, whereas her mom often stays with them.

It’s perhaps worth noting that my daughter-in-law is a stay-at-home mom, and my son works long hours, sometimes on weekends. While arranging visits should ideally be a joint effort, it often falls on her since my son can’t really insist on her seeing us when he isn’t around. My son does make an effort to plan visits with us when he’s off work, but when I do visit, she seems distant and disengaged. I’ve heard her mention that the drive to us is “far,” yet she drives the same distance to her parents regularly. During visits, she often seems uninterested and sometimes responds quite shortly. For instance, when I asked how long the baby typically naps, she just shrugged and said, “Depends.” And when I brought a homemade banana cake for everyone to share, she laughed and said he doesn’t like bananas anymore.

I’m confused what has caused this. I’ve asked my son but he says everything is fine. Should I ask her? If so, how? Can MNers see what I’ve made done wrong or help me guess?

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lasagnelle · 12/11/2024 22:13

helpamilout · 12/11/2024 21:38

Maybe she doesn’t want to put you out? Have you offered to babysit?

Yes I've offered to babysit many many times. The answer is usually either "no need, I don't like leaving them" or the conversation goes like this
DIL: oh it's okay, my mum will be covering it
Me: ok, well maybe if you need it next time you've got a doctors appointment, I'd love to do it?
DIL: yes I'll let you know if it's needed
[invites mum again next time]

Sections don’t have a longer recovery time compared to vaginal births, so maybe she thought you were judging her a bit and she is worried about sharing information with you.
Perhaps I was wrong on this? But I was sure that's the case, as firstly for me it was true, it was the case for a lot of my friends too. However, we all have birth 30+ years ago so things could have changed.

She doesn't want to leave them with anyone but her own mum at the moment it's hard to trust people sometimes

Remaker · 12/11/2024 22:14

I think seeing your GC once a month when you live 2 hours away is fine? The issue for you seems to be that the other GP get significantly more time than you. While the relationship between GC and GP should be equal on both sides (though often is not) the relationship between MIL and DIL is not the same as between mother and daughter. Your DIL is not just the gatekeeper of your relationship with your GC, she is a person with emotional needs and those needs are met by spending time with her family. Your DS has a busy job, he travels for work and she needs support. Not just someone to mind the kids but emotional support. If my mother was visiting I would happily spend the day in my pjs, wouldn’t care if the house was messy and as a bonus could have a whinge about my DH and know she would listen and empathise. And if she said something I didn’t appreciate I could tell her so and then we’d move on. If my MIL was visiting I’d be anxious about the house, feel like I needed to be properly dressed, want the kids to behave and swallow down my reaction if she made a thoughtless comment. It was a duty not a pleasure.

I really don’t think you have done anything wrong it’s just the nature of the relationship is different. As the children grow up hopefully you can start to have time with them alone doing special things. My mum lived 90 minutes away and used to send my kids cards and letters - like a well done card if they got a special prize at school. My kids loved getting mail and have kept all those cards.

Quitelikeit · 12/11/2024 22:16

God I would love a MiL like you!!

Sorry but I think she is unlikely to change now

I don’t think you have done anything wrong at all

I know it’s hurtful but this says more about her than it does you

Women can be quite guarded against their offspring spending time with the in-laws - I’ve seen it in here many times and plenty posters will say it’s your baby and your choice

Its a shame as I advocate letting the children know both sets of GPs but some dils are just like to wield the kids as some sort of weapon instead of allowing them to develop close bonds with vital family members

ABirdsEyeView · 12/11/2024 22:17

I think that women who are very close to their own parents, don't need the extra parent type support from their in-laws. IMO she's got what she needed from you, which was your approval before your son was fully committed to her. But now he's locked in, so your opinion of her matters less. She doesn't have the natural bonds that she shares with her own family, so can't be bothered to make the effort with you! Probably also thinks it's your son's job to facilitate a relationship between his dc and you.

I think your don knows full well that she is a bit 'off' and is trying to minimise it and smooth is over by pretending it's because she's busy.

I think the best strategy is to remain close up your son - call him, make direct arrangements with him. Keep him closer emotionally. Don't arrange everything through her.

Ellepff · 12/11/2024 22:17

It doesn’t seem like you were close before she got pregnant. It seems like she was polite, friendly and a delightful guest and entertained you nicely. She got pregnant while finalizing the wedding and has been pregnant or parenting since, with a DH who is never home. She seems like she’s giving you what little energy she has when you visit and a monthly visit DOES seem right.

To me it sounds like her parents are just easier for her. The cake comment is a bit rude but I’m sure I’m rude to my parents and MIL sometimes - yesterday I was cooking dinner, cleaning wee, saving my kids from murdering each other while my Dad was a bit offended I wasn’t listening to his travel plans/hadn’t had a chance to check panto dates and text back.

My MIL is worse because the same is happening but she’s not my mum so I can’t just snap and have it blow over later, so instead I’m short with her.

OP, keep being friendly and visiting. Ask your son if his wife is a person who likes help or just company, ask him what treat she likes from the shop. But don’t overdo it.

Nohugspleaseandthankyou · 12/11/2024 22:18

Honestly it sounds like you already see them as much as is possible for them as a family which is due to how much your son works.
She doesn't have to be travelling to you or hosting you on her own if she doesn't feel like it.
Probably more of a break to be at her own parents.
It sucks but that's life sometimes.

ethelredonagoodday · 12/11/2024 22:19

Ellepff · 12/11/2024 22:17

It doesn’t seem like you were close before she got pregnant. It seems like she was polite, friendly and a delightful guest and entertained you nicely. She got pregnant while finalizing the wedding and has been pregnant or parenting since, with a DH who is never home. She seems like she’s giving you what little energy she has when you visit and a monthly visit DOES seem right.

To me it sounds like her parents are just easier for her. The cake comment is a bit rude but I’m sure I’m rude to my parents and MIL sometimes - yesterday I was cooking dinner, cleaning wee, saving my kids from murdering each other while my Dad was a bit offended I wasn’t listening to his travel plans/hadn’t had a chance to check panto dates and text back.

My MIL is worse because the same is happening but she’s not my mum so I can’t just snap and have it blow over later, so instead I’m short with her.

OP, keep being friendly and visiting. Ask your son if his wife is a person who likes help or just company, ask him what treat she likes from the shop. But don’t overdo it.

I think your Dad and my Mum might have been separated at birth. I properly laughed when I saw your panto comment. 😵‍💫🤣

Kombuchamonster · 12/11/2024 22:22

You are right. They do. C-section is major abdominal surgery. You are talking 6-8 weeks without any complications.

This isn't the point. The point is the OP told the DIL this when she was weighing up her birth options. As someone who's had elective c-sections for medical reasons it's not easy and you do your own research so it's really unhelpful having judgy comments made as if you're not aware of the facts or need explaining to.

Simonjt · 12/11/2024 22:23

Bit odd that the housekeeper only does her laundry and cleaning, yet doesn’t do her husbands share of the cleaning, and doesn’t do his or the kids laundry.

You currently have 50% of their free weekends as a family, thats a lot. If your son wants to increase that then he needs to find away for him to organise it.

Octavia64 · 12/11/2024 22:26

How old are the children?

We had this dynamic, in as much as I found taking the kids to the in laws difficult as DH would sleep in and not be hands on and I'd be up from six while the rest of the house got up at about ten.

My parents mucked in much more.

I did say to DH that he was welcome to take the kids to his parents any time he wanted but he didn't fancy wrangling them in his parents' house (full of Knick knacks and not toddler proofed) so he never did.

If the kids are very young then it's likely she was being very polite before she was married/had kids and just no longer has the capacity to go and be a polite guest in someone else's home while wrangling small kids.

It's also possible she disagrees with you on some aspects of child rearing and doesn't want a row and so is avoiding it.

Just some ideas.

ChiliFiend · 12/11/2024 22:27

I'm sorry you're going through this - you seem really hurt. I think women look to their own mothers for support in those early years, and things might change with time. Maybe just make it clear you're there whenever they need you, and then back off a bit for now. x

MaryMary6589 · 12/11/2024 22:27

My MIL could have written this 🤣

The reality in my case is that she thinks she's lovely but she's one of the rudest people I've ever met. All her stories are about her falling out with people. She constantly comments on my appearance and she's awful about her own daughter.

She was an absolute nightmare when my first was little and yet she hadn't bothered with my youngest.

She cries to DH that she's not involved enough and he's too scared to tell her how rude she is because he doesn't want to fall out with her as well so she lives with this myth that she's this hard done by, perfect woman but she's such hard work.

I'm not saying you're like that, but that's my life.

I'm fine for DH to take the kids to her I just don't want to spent my precious rare moments of downtime to be spent with her being vile and she is certainly never staying over in my house again because of how uncomfortable she made the whole thing when my first was small.

helpamilout · 12/11/2024 22:28

@CocoDC @Lavender14
I was worried about how to say this because it may come across judgey so didn't mention in the original post. My DS earns very well by running a successful business, which is why he works long hours and often weekends. DIL doesn't do any housework or cooking as that's outsourced to a housekeeper.
Of course, we don't know, she may be struggling mentally / miss her family / have mental illness / illness in the family / friendship issues... but... in terms of day to day hard work she doesn't struggle or find it hard. Her and DH openly joke about her not being one for housework and a terrible chef (which is fine, as it's all done and they live in a clean house eating healthy food).
And before anyone says anything, no she is not a golddigger, they met when the business was running but not super successful and she had a relatively lucrative career herself, but she just enjoys being a mum and preferred that. She loves the actual "mum" bits of being a SAHM, like doing crafts with her kids, being out on walks, spending every day with them (her words and what DS describes) but doesn't like housework and doesn't do it.

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Onlycoffee · 12/11/2024 22:28

I visited my in-laws less for years when my kids were young because I couldn't stand the person my DH became as soon as he walked into his parents house.
It was like he became another person, constantly putting me down, "correcting me" etc Looking back I think it was anxiety as his df was very hard on him and he needed me to not show him up. I didn't know this then obviously.
Luckily we lived close enough that I would visit mil with the children during the week.

Icarus40 · 12/11/2024 22:31

OutboundName · 12/11/2024 21:11

When I first met my in laws ten years ago, I was generally relaxed and well rested and calm so I was able to be chatty and engaging. Now, years later with DC and a much more demanding job, I'm mostly exhausted and my social battery is empty much of the time. So I find i just have less energy for that sort of thing. It's not about any other people or anything they did, I just have less capacity for it than I did before. I engage less with everyone now! Maybe this helps? It might not be you or anything you've done but rather the change in her circumstances over time.

I totally agree with this! I had much more time and energy for my MIL when I was child-free (and had more time and energy generally). We went shopping, went for drinks etc. Then I had a baby. And i struggled with it. I felt defensive and tired and irritable. I took benign comments as criticisms. I felt annoyed when MIL used my nickname for DS, when she said she found BF easy, when she offered kindly-meant advice. She wasn't doing anything wrong (well, she did on a couple of occasions) but I just didn't have the headspace to be happy and chatty with her. I could be grumpy and irrational with my own mum so I felt more relaxed with her.

Phonicshaskilledmeoff · 12/11/2024 22:31

It’s your son that can’t be arsed to organise a visit. Why would your DIL organise it. Also surely with a new baby it would be easier for you guys to visit them. She probably feels at home at her parents, but not at yours. It’s hard to pretend to want to be polite when you have a baby in someone else’s house.

PennyCrayon1 · 12/11/2024 22:32

I’m interested to hear more about why you didn’t meet the baby until they were a month old.

Is it possible she has taken this as you not being interested?

Floofypuppy · 12/11/2024 22:34

Maybe your son is abusive - if she changed when pregnant

ABirdsEyeView · 12/11/2024 22:38

My in-laws were quite full on and wanted lots of time that I preferred to spend just with my husband, who was also working a lot. But if dil doesn't want to see you at weekends, then in all fairness she should invite you over in the week so that you can see the kids.
As much as I would have preferred to opt out of dealing with in-laws, as a sahp I felt it was my responsibility to facilitate my in-laws seeing my kids - dh couldn't always do it because he was at work and I didn't want to spend lots of weekends seeing them.
So while your dil might be resentful of 'losing' that weekend once a month when you see your DS and DGC, it's kind of her own fault because she blocks you from being part of her family the rest of the time.

I do think it's shocking that you never saw the baby until he was a month old. Very unkind.

helpamilout · 12/11/2024 22:41

@Kingofthetyrantlizards her "mental load" is reduced by the fact there's a housekeeper for 3 days, all the cooking is done for her and all the cleaning. She says she's loving being a SAHM and jokes that she's not made for cooking or cleaning so thank goodness she doesn't have to do it.

I would say he sees her parents more than he (or she) sees us. She probably spends a week per month at their place so would go there mid-week and then he joins for the weekend. When the GPs stay over at their house, from what I understand, it's usually in the week rather than weekend but it's not really to help DIL out, the housekeeper does this, with her parents it's largely zoo trips and just days out at the park with the kids - a bit like with us when we visit, but over 4-5 days rather than 1-2. The other GPs also sometimes get invited on holiday (they all go for let's say a month and book a villa, DS will work for 2 of those weeks remotely from the holiday, and the other GPs will join for those weeks to keep DIL company). But in effect they're all on holiday together. I don't feel like I can ask DS for an invitation - if he wanted to, he'd invite me.

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Franjipanl8r · 12/11/2024 22:42

my son works long hours, sometimes on weekends

That’ll be why. If your DS isn’t around to entertain you when you visit, why would you expect to visit as much as her own mum? Why don’t you ask your son why he isn’t making more time for you? It’s not down to your DIL, it down to him to arrange.

Floofypuppy · 12/11/2024 22:43

her "mental load" is reduced by the fact there's a housekeeper for 3 days, all the cooking is done for her and all the cleaning. She says she's loving being a SAHM and jokes that she's not made for cooking or cleaning so thank goodness she doesn't have to do it.

and ladies and gentleman, there it is. No wonder she doesn’t want to hang out with you.

ImAThinker · 12/11/2024 22:45

I can relate to her situation. I was very chatty and friendly with my MIL pre kids.

But several years and kids later, working full time in a very demanding career, I often dont have the headspace or energy to be that person and make lots of effort. Sometimes I think she must think I’m annoyed with her, but I’m really not, I’m just really tired!

Also being a massive perfectionist, I don’t like meeting up with anyone I have to be “on” for if I feel I’m not going to be at my best, which sometimes makes me avoid seeing them.

It’s different with my own family as they will take me as I am.

helpamilout · 12/11/2024 22:47

PennyCrayon1 · 12/11/2024 22:32

I’m interested to hear more about why you didn’t meet the baby until they were a month old.

Is it possible she has taken this as you not being interested?

We sent them a congratulatory message when our first GC was born and said that we're so excited to meet the baby but we don't want to interrupt their newborn bubble so we will be there in a matter of hours as soon as we're invited but will hold off until they are ready. They also said they will let us know when, but not now, because the baby is small and DIL wants some privacy to recover.

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bzarda · 12/11/2024 22:48

As many people have already said (and you've ignored) 1 weekend a month when he works 2 weekends every month is plenty. Looking after children is really hard and even if she doesn't do any cleaning or cooking (which you seem judgemental of) dealing with tantrums, nappies, trying to get them to sleep, trying to entertain them all day is all really tiring. Particularly if she is doing it all by herself 2 weekends a month.

I think you have unrealistic expectations and should focus on the quality of the time with your grandchildren rather than comparisons on quantity.