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To be confused why DIL has suddenly changed in how she treats me

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helpamilout · 12/11/2024 20:23

My son is in his mid-30s and has been with his wife for nearly a decade. They dated for 3-4 years before getting married. When they were dating, she was lovely—chatty, friendly and extremely polite, almost overly so, often saying things like, “Do you mind if I use your bathroom?” or “Thank you very much” for even small gestures.

After they got engaged, everything still seemed fine. But a couple of weeks before the wedding, they told us she was six weeks pregnant, and that’s when things began to change. She became more private and somewhat secretive about the pregnancy (which is of course her right—it was just very different from how she had been before). She was quieter in conversations and didn’t reach out to us as much as she used to. I don’t believe we did anything to cause this; we avoided giving unsolicited advice and tried to be supportive. The only thing I can think of is that I once mentioned C-sections having longer recovery times when she shared she was considering it, but that seems minor.

We also expressed that we were very excited to meet the baby, though we didn’t pressure them with specific timing. We ended up meeting our grandchild when they were one month old, while her mom met the baby in the hospital and her dad when the baby was just three days old. When she was pregnant with their second, they didn’t tell us until she was 20 weeks along, even though it seemed her close friends already knew.

They never ask us to babysit but often ask her parents. They visit her parents once a month, but they only come to see us once or twice a year, despite us living the same distance away (a couple of hours, though in the opposite direction). I do see them a bit more often because I go to visit them, but they never invite me to stay overnight, whereas her mom often stays with them.

It’s perhaps worth noting that my daughter-in-law is a stay-at-home mom, and my son works long hours, sometimes on weekends. While arranging visits should ideally be a joint effort, it often falls on her since my son can’t really insist on her seeing us when he isn’t around. My son does make an effort to plan visits with us when he’s off work, but when I do visit, she seems distant and disengaged. I’ve heard her mention that the drive to us is “far,” yet she drives the same distance to her parents regularly. During visits, she often seems uninterested and sometimes responds quite shortly. For instance, when I asked how long the baby typically naps, she just shrugged and said, “Depends.” And when I brought a homemade banana cake for everyone to share, she laughed and said he doesn’t like bananas anymore.

I’m confused what has caused this. I’ve asked my son but he says everything is fine. Should I ask her? If so, how? Can MNers see what I’ve made done wrong or help me guess?

OP posts:
Hungrycaterpillarsmummy · 20/11/2024 16:05

The penny has dropped. It's fiction.

ScaryM0nster · 20/11/2024 16:07

Bachboo · 20/11/2024 14:31

The DIL has hardly bent over backwards either has she? The son jas every right to want his children to get to know his parents

Fair.

But if he wants that to happen more than is at the moment then he has to make the time for it.

kaela100 · 20/11/2024 16:12

This is how my mil used to described me when I suddenly decided I wasn't going to take any of her judgement and went super low contact.

To understand why she treats you like this you need to really be self aware and it doesn't seem like you are.

Wellingtonspie · 20/11/2024 16:14

I think the dh’s decided outcome does paint my bullshit turn the tables story more likely tbh.

I wrote it as a joke pages ago but hmmm

Bachboo · 20/11/2024 16:21

ScaryM0nster · 20/11/2024 16:07

Fair.

But if he wants that to happen more than is at the moment then he has to make the time for it.

I do agree with that

Jiook · 20/11/2024 16:24

I agree with PP that this victory will be pyrrhic.

Even if she is being an arse, for DS to rally so hard to you without even checking with his wife doesn't say great things for the marriage really.

A victory would be you and DIL having a heart to heart, not your son basically saying he's going to get the woman in line.

I imagine now she will be spending whole weeks at her parents house.
I think they'll be divorced and you'll be seeing the kids once a month still.

NoisyDenimShaker · 20/11/2024 16:28

kaela100 · 20/11/2024 16:12

This is how my mil used to described me when I suddenly decided I wasn't going to take any of her judgement and went super low contact.

To understand why she treats you like this you need to really be self aware and it doesn't seem like you are.

Going low-contact with annoying people is great when it’s a colleague or former friend; however, within a family, if you do that the problems just mushroom, and also they last for many years. If you have kids, it affects them too as they don’t know one set of GPs.

IMO it have been much healthier to have had a calm discussion with your MIL about her judgement and let her know how she made you feel.

NoisyDenimShaker · 20/11/2024 16:31

Jiook · 20/11/2024 16:24

I agree with PP that this victory will be pyrrhic.

Even if she is being an arse, for DS to rally so hard to you without even checking with his wife doesn't say great things for the marriage really.

A victory would be you and DIL having a heart to heart, not your son basically saying he's going to get the woman in line.

I imagine now she will be spending whole weeks at her parents house.
I think they'll be divorced and you'll be seeing the kids once a month still.

Maybe it says how badly the DIL has been treating her spouse’s parents?

I wonder how DIL’s behaviour is making him view his wife. Unkindness is deeply unattractive.

Unless there’s a reason, in which case she really, really needs to tell her DH what it is.

Blahdeblah24 · 20/11/2024 16:56

You have a whinge and he (& DIL) immediately buy you a flat to use and you accept this without saying that’s a very kind thought but you two need to think over changing your investment plans don’t do anything in haste?

Fool and his money!

Poor DIL as it sounds like her husband totally bowed down to his mother without even really asking his wife for her take on it! What normal person would do that?

p.s if you think what you have just done is going to make DIL behave more warmly /politely towards you & facilitate more meetings you couldn’t be more wrong. If she can muster icy politeness after this stunt you will be lucky. I think you’d actually be happy if they split, you really do sound like a terribly domineering MIL from some kind of ITV drama.

NoisyDenimShaker · 20/11/2024 16:57

standardduck · 20/11/2024 15:18

@NoisyDenimShaker sounds like lots of projecting going on in your replies.

It is clear that DIL is not fond of OP for whatever reason (from some of OP's replies, I can guess why - e.g. calling DIL out on group chat when she didn't get an answer she expected). But she is not stopping OP from seeing her DGC. DH works a lot, so seeing MIL once a month when your DH is working a lot of weekends is not nothing.

Either way, she got what she wanted and will now be able to stay in their house while her DIL is told how to act by her DH. Ridiculous.

I think it’s the DIL’s behaviour that’s ridiculous. Why do her parents get to come and stay but her DH’s don’t? Why does DIL say that she would “never let that happen” when her DH wants to take their kids to his parents’? Why would she not let her DH’s family visit the baby for a month? That is very much verging on isolating her DH from his family, which is coercive control.

If DIL has a reason, fine. But without telling her DH what it is, her behaviour is not only horrible to the OP, but also to her DH. It must be very painful for him to see his mum and twin be treated like this.

thepariscrimefiles · 20/11/2024 17:00

Bachboo · 20/11/2024 15:23

She can’t just take the children any time she likes. They have a father who has rights as well

The father works away a lot. I would imagine that when OP and her DH visit the new flat that their son has bought for them, the DIL will just go to her own parents with the children. Her husband can't order her to stay at home.

The OP may cause a permanent rift and possibly a separation between her son and her DIL. I would guess that she would quite enjoy that.

Anxioustealady · 20/11/2024 17:17

NoisyDenimShaker · 20/11/2024 15:48

No, but what’s that got to do with the price of fish? I have a brain and I know family dynamics. You’re not suddenly blessed with magical insights once you give birth, you know. I have had a difficult MIL who wouldn’t stop with the baby pressure and who would come to stay for extended visits, a useless husband, and a very close family member who excluded GPs to whom I was closely related. The mum’s behaviour in this case is very familiar to me. And I know exactly what my own MIL and useless ex would have been like if we’d had kids - which was a small contributing factor to the reason I said no to the whole shebang!

Also, if we’d had kids, I would have done everything I could to include her, because although I didn’t like her, she would have been my kids’ GP and it would have been the RIGHT thing to do. (She was pushy and overbearing, but not toxic or dangerous, and she had brought up four of her own.)

Why are we now a society that indulges all our basest instincts instead of doing the RIGHT thing? I thoroughly disapprove.

Edited

So you could easily have ended up in this DILs position with an overbearing MIL and useless husband, but your reaction is to say you should be railroaded into being polite to a woman who is impolite to you in your own home?

And you should have to host them all the time, you don't get any choice. That's crazy.

You keep saying the DIL needs to say what the problem is, but she might have. She's not here to tell her side.

By the sounds of things the DIL is a wonderful, involved mother. The children see their grandparents monthly which is more than enough. What a shame to drive a wedge between the children's parents so the MIL can "win".

Neverlikedwatermuch · 20/11/2024 17:27

It’s not always about MILs, she may be dealing with something like depression and only feels comfortable around her parents. Just be pleasant and offer to help as and when but don’t pressure her to change or it could make things worse. Have you spoken to your son and asked to see the children as equal as her parents do? Don’t take it personal, I rarely enjoy visiting my MIL although I love her to bits, I’m just constantly worn down and tired and long to be at home.

Bachboo · 20/11/2024 17:37

thepariscrimefiles · 20/11/2024 17:00

The father works away a lot. I would imagine that when OP and her DH visit the new flat that their son has bought for them, the DIL will just go to her own parents with the children. Her husband can't order her to stay at home.

The OP may cause a permanent rift and possibly a separation between her son and her DIL. I would guess that she would quite enjoy that.

No he can’t but she won’t be able just to take them away permanently

Ihopeyouhavent · 20/11/2024 17:42

This place is making me dreading having a DIL.

All i can offer is what i would do. I'd message, have a family group on whatsapp, reach out to DIL, keep the contact up. Send offers of babysitting, ask for photos invite them round etc. Ignore the people that say it should be your son organising, men are useless and expecting them to be any different is just stupid.

I dont have GC, but my relationship with a poss DIL fractured a few weeks ago, and i've taken the high ground and am trying to build the relationship up again. Its fcking hard work, but i adore my son and will keep working and trying.

Bachboo · 20/11/2024 17:43

Anxioustealady · 20/11/2024 17:17

So you could easily have ended up in this DILs position with an overbearing MIL and useless husband, but your reaction is to say you should be railroaded into being polite to a woman who is impolite to you in your own home?

And you should have to host them all the time, you don't get any choice. That's crazy.

You keep saying the DIL needs to say what the problem is, but she might have. She's not here to tell her side.

By the sounds of things the DIL is a wonderful, involved mother. The children see their grandparents monthly which is more than enough. What a shame to drive a wedge between the children's parents so the MIL can "win".

She’s not here to tell her side of it but there are a shed load of people commenting on here who seem to be be telling her side for her or should I say projecting their own issues with their mil

NoisyDenimShaker · 20/11/2024 17:46

Anxioustealady · 20/11/2024 17:17

So you could easily have ended up in this DILs position with an overbearing MIL and useless husband, but your reaction is to say you should be railroaded into being polite to a woman who is impolite to you in your own home?

And you should have to host them all the time, you don't get any choice. That's crazy.

You keep saying the DIL needs to say what the problem is, but she might have. She's not here to tell her side.

By the sounds of things the DIL is a wonderful, involved mother. The children see their grandparents monthly which is more than enough. What a shame to drive a wedge between the children's parents so the MIL can "win".

Well, I didn’t say that the DIL should host them all the time.

And I wouldn’t have been railroaded into being polite. I’d have done it because it would have been in the best interests of my children to know their grandma. Because it’s the right thing to do. I knew all four of mine, and one was difficult, but I’m so glad I knew her. It seems not unusual these days for parents to keep their children away from the GPs for no good reason, and I do wonder if the kids will not thank them for it when they’re older and the GPs are gone.

And IS the DIL a wonderful mother if she won’t even let the older one go on a day out with their dad to their grandparents’ house? I’m not so sure.

She’d better have a good reason for being so cold, bc the shit will really hit the fan if MIL gets ill, and DIL has been unkind for no reason. That’s the kind of behaviour that can really undo a marriage, if you think your spouse has been cruel to your parents for no reason. My ex-h tried that once or twice with my parents and I wouldn’t have it.

I’m not sure it’s the once a month thing that’s the issue so much as all the other stuff IP has mentioned. Going apeshit bc the DH introduced the baby to its uncle. Not letting her PILs in the house overnight when her own parents stay. Rejecting their gifts. Creating an atmosphere when they dare see their GC.

Unless there’s a reason, DIL looks mean, petty, and cruel. It’s a very unattractive look.

Isthisit22 · 20/11/2024 17:49

So your son has told you that he cannot facilitate more contact himself but will buy a flat so you can foist yourself on his wife more easily. What a piece of work he is.

Bachboo · 20/11/2024 17:51

helpamilout · 20/11/2024 12:43

Sorry I’ve been quiet—things have been a bit busy with the family. Just wanted to share a quick update.

I had an honest chat with DS earlier this week about how I’ve been feeling. I was hesitant to bring it up because I didn’t want to cause tension in his marriage, but it had been weighing on me. DS was very apologetic (even though I don’t think it’s his fault) and admitted he’s been so focused on work that he hadn’t realized how much it’s been affecting us. He also spoke with his brother, who shares similar concerns about how DIL behaves around the family.

He’s had a conversation with DIL and told her how upset he’d be if her behavior led to his parents or siblings losing a relationship with the kids. To my surprise, he then suggested getting us a small flat in London for mine and DH’s big birthdays instead of the family trip he’d been planning, to stay at during visits. He had initially been planning to use the money for a rental property but felt this would be a better use given the current situation with DIL. The flat would ideally be just a few tube stops from their home, making it easy to visit for dinner or meet in the park, but without needing to stay at their house, which seems to be the issue for DIL. Whilst he can’t facilitate full days of visits for us due to work often, in his words at least it’s something he can do to ensure we have more contact with his kids. We’ve already started looking and have some viewings next week!

DS also promised that the tense atmosphere during visits will stop, from our next visit (we are visiting next weekend and invited to stay at their house since the flat is obviously not sorted yet) as he doesn’t want his children growing up associating our visits with tension or thinking it’s acceptable to treat their grandparents poorly just because their mother does.

To help smooth things over with your dil you should not allow your son to buy you a flat to stay in. Thank him and your dil but decline it

Anxioustealady · 20/11/2024 17:52

NoisyDenimShaker · 20/11/2024 17:46

Well, I didn’t say that the DIL should host them all the time.

And I wouldn’t have been railroaded into being polite. I’d have done it because it would have been in the best interests of my children to know their grandma. Because it’s the right thing to do. I knew all four of mine, and one was difficult, but I’m so glad I knew her. It seems not unusual these days for parents to keep their children away from the GPs for no good reason, and I do wonder if the kids will not thank them for it when they’re older and the GPs are gone.

And IS the DIL a wonderful mother if she won’t even let the older one go on a day out with their dad to their grandparents’ house? I’m not so sure.

She’d better have a good reason for being so cold, bc the shit will really hit the fan if MIL gets ill, and DIL has been unkind for no reason. That’s the kind of behaviour that can really undo a marriage, if you think your spouse has been cruel to your parents for no reason. My ex-h tried that once or twice with my parents and I wouldn’t have it.

I’m not sure it’s the once a month thing that’s the issue so much as all the other stuff IP has mentioned. Going apeshit bc the DH introduced the baby to its uncle. Not letting her PILs in the house overnight when her own parents stay. Rejecting their gifts. Creating an atmosphere when they dare see their GC.

Unless there’s a reason, DIL looks mean, petty, and cruel. It’s a very unattractive look.

Edited

I assume she won't let him take a child for a day because he does no parenting so she knows the child will come back to her over tired, hungry and she'll have to deal with them.

NoisyDenimShaker · 20/11/2024 17:55

Isthisit22 · 20/11/2024 17:49

So your son has told you that he cannot facilitate more contact himself but will buy a flat so you can foist yourself on his wife more easily. What a piece of work he is.

Presumably the flat is to facilitate short visits though.

We also have to ask, is it possible or reasonable to only give minimal access to one set of GPs, at least where the adult child is an involved parent? Said adult child is always going to want their parents to know their child.

I think I would have felt great ownership over my children if I’d had them, given that I’d have carried them, birthed then, and done all the hard work, but the uncomfortable truth is that the kids aren’t only their parents’ child. They’re also people’s grandkids, nieces, nephews, cousins. I might not have wanted to share them, but I would have recognised that that is an unreasonable position and fought against those instincts.

That’s because I like to do the right thing, even if it’s not always the most comfortable thing. I deplore today’s selfish attitudes.

coldcrossbun · 20/11/2024 17:57

Ihopeyouhavent · 20/11/2024 17:42

This place is making me dreading having a DIL.

All i can offer is what i would do. I'd message, have a family group on whatsapp, reach out to DIL, keep the contact up. Send offers of babysitting, ask for photos invite them round etc. Ignore the people that say it should be your son organising, men are useless and expecting them to be any different is just stupid.

I dont have GC, but my relationship with a poss DIL fractured a few weeks ago, and i've taken the high ground and am trying to build the relationship up again. Its fcking hard work, but i adore my son and will keep working and trying.

If this is your attitude you will have a fractured relationship with any DIL.

Men are not useless. Any many capable of holding down a job is capable of maintaining a relationship with his own parents. Your take is actually very sexist - you're expecting her to carry far more mental load because it can't be expected of your perfect son. I also wouldn't want this sexism and regressive attitude around my children too much.

If you want an actually good relationship reach out but don't expect anything of her you don't expect from your son. Pictures, organising visits, he's more than capable of all of it. She's her own person, not your son's PA, not just your way of accessing grandkids.She has her own life and family to manage, do not facilitate, or worse encourage, your son not pulling his weight

Anxioustealady · 20/11/2024 17:59

NoisyDenimShaker · 20/11/2024 17:46

Well, I didn’t say that the DIL should host them all the time.

And I wouldn’t have been railroaded into being polite. I’d have done it because it would have been in the best interests of my children to know their grandma. Because it’s the right thing to do. I knew all four of mine, and one was difficult, but I’m so glad I knew her. It seems not unusual these days for parents to keep their children away from the GPs for no good reason, and I do wonder if the kids will not thank them for it when they’re older and the GPs are gone.

And IS the DIL a wonderful mother if she won’t even let the older one go on a day out with their dad to their grandparents’ house? I’m not so sure.

She’d better have a good reason for being so cold, bc the shit will really hit the fan if MIL gets ill, and DIL has been unkind for no reason. That’s the kind of behaviour that can really undo a marriage, if you think your spouse has been cruel to your parents for no reason. My ex-h tried that once or twice with my parents and I wouldn’t have it.

I’m not sure it’s the once a month thing that’s the issue so much as all the other stuff IP has mentioned. Going apeshit bc the DH introduced the baby to its uncle. Not letting her PILs in the house overnight when her own parents stay. Rejecting their gifts. Creating an atmosphere when they dare see their GC.

Unless there’s a reason, DIL looks mean, petty, and cruel. It’s a very unattractive look.

Edited

"Well, I didn’t say that the DIL should host them all the time."

How confident do you think OP will be to say no when they just turn up at the house because they're only around the corner? She's already been told off by her husband and she knows his whole family dislike her.

OP has already said there's nothing wrong with her dropping in when she's in the area to join them at the park. Well she'll constantly be "in the area" now, and there definitely is something wrong with dropping in on someone without being invited

almay · 20/11/2024 18:13

Think the shark has been jumped.

But if not, I’d put money on the son just saying what OP wants to hear.

crazyspanner · 20/11/2024 18:26

Anxioustealady · 20/11/2024 17:59

"Well, I didn’t say that the DIL should host them all the time."

How confident do you think OP will be to say no when they just turn up at the house because they're only around the corner? She's already been told off by her husband and she knows his whole family dislike her.

OP has already said there's nothing wrong with her dropping in when she's in the area to join them at the park. Well she'll constantly be "in the area" now, and there definitely is something wrong with dropping in on someone without being invited

Op has never said she doesn't like her and that is not what she said she told DS.
She also didn't say she would drop in unannounced, she said that if she was in the area she would be happy to meet them at the park for an hour (which dil said she does everyday) so as not take up her day or interfere with their schedule.
You are twisting her words to fit your narrative. They also will not be at the flat all the time as they have their own house