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To be confused why DIL has suddenly changed in how she treats me

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helpamilout · 12/11/2024 20:23

My son is in his mid-30s and has been with his wife for nearly a decade. They dated for 3-4 years before getting married. When they were dating, she was lovely—chatty, friendly and extremely polite, almost overly so, often saying things like, “Do you mind if I use your bathroom?” or “Thank you very much” for even small gestures.

After they got engaged, everything still seemed fine. But a couple of weeks before the wedding, they told us she was six weeks pregnant, and that’s when things began to change. She became more private and somewhat secretive about the pregnancy (which is of course her right—it was just very different from how she had been before). She was quieter in conversations and didn’t reach out to us as much as she used to. I don’t believe we did anything to cause this; we avoided giving unsolicited advice and tried to be supportive. The only thing I can think of is that I once mentioned C-sections having longer recovery times when she shared she was considering it, but that seems minor.

We also expressed that we were very excited to meet the baby, though we didn’t pressure them with specific timing. We ended up meeting our grandchild when they were one month old, while her mom met the baby in the hospital and her dad when the baby was just three days old. When she was pregnant with their second, they didn’t tell us until she was 20 weeks along, even though it seemed her close friends already knew.

They never ask us to babysit but often ask her parents. They visit her parents once a month, but they only come to see us once or twice a year, despite us living the same distance away (a couple of hours, though in the opposite direction). I do see them a bit more often because I go to visit them, but they never invite me to stay overnight, whereas her mom often stays with them.

It’s perhaps worth noting that my daughter-in-law is a stay-at-home mom, and my son works long hours, sometimes on weekends. While arranging visits should ideally be a joint effort, it often falls on her since my son can’t really insist on her seeing us when he isn’t around. My son does make an effort to plan visits with us when he’s off work, but when I do visit, she seems distant and disengaged. I’ve heard her mention that the drive to us is “far,” yet she drives the same distance to her parents regularly. During visits, she often seems uninterested and sometimes responds quite shortly. For instance, when I asked how long the baby typically naps, she just shrugged and said, “Depends.” And when I brought a homemade banana cake for everyone to share, she laughed and said he doesn’t like bananas anymore.

I’m confused what has caused this. I’ve asked my son but he says everything is fine. Should I ask her? If so, how? Can MNers see what I’ve made done wrong or help me guess?

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Maria1979 · 12/11/2024 21:45

She was sweet to you until she became a mother. Then she didn't have to play nice anymore and went back to be the selfish person she probably always was. I am biaised because I have seen it happen in my family. Focus on your son. Surely he can invite you to HIS house to babysit.
And for the record I have a really close relationship with my Mil, even more so after I had children.

CandyCane457 · 12/11/2024 21:46

Laiste · 12/11/2024 21:30

How many husbands often ring their mother in laws up to arrange visits with the grand kids i wonder?

Agree agree!

Why is it always put on the woman, or the DIL in these cases? I think it’s a shame that OP seems to be entirely blaming her DIL for all of this, but no onus is out on her own son.

Like many other posters, I am also similar to the DIL in this situation. My boyfriend and I see my parents far more than we see his. And that’s because I arrange it with them. And he loves my parents and is happy to come along. But I don’t see it as my responsibility to arrange meet ups with his parents- that’s on him. And he rarely bothers… not because he doesn’t love them, he just doesn’t think about it as often. I’d say we roughly see my parents three times a month and his once. But I’d be appalled if my MIL blamed me for this- she needs to look to her son, not me!

cansu · 12/11/2024 21:47

She obviously doesn't want to bother. Your issue is your son is too lazy to invite you for the weekend. It is easier for him to let her arrange visits etc. He could of course insist on visiting the kids to yours more often or invite you to stay more often.

You need to talk to your son. Tell him you would like to see the family more frequently. If she is not keen on hosting can you stay in an airbnb?

helpamilout · 12/11/2024 21:48

Zestyfrost · 12/11/2024 20:55

I can't see why this might be happening from what you have said.

But, I think my own MIL could have written this. The reason I am now as low contact with her as possible is because of her, as a person, not because she is my MIL.

Nothing big has happened and I was always eager to have a good relationship, polite, chatty, made lots of effort. But who she is has ground me down to the point that I can barely speak to her now.

I don't think she will understand why at all, in fact I even wondered if you were my MIL reading your opening post, the situations are so similar.

My husband knows I struggle with her but not the extent so he would also reassure her that everything is fine, I'm tired/busy etc.

But I feel like nothing will change so I would hate to have a 'tactful' conversation with mine, if she tried. What can I say? I can't bear you? It's hard and stressful but I'm at a loss with it all.

So, to sum up, I don't know why your situation is as it is. But I highlighted mine as it's complicated, nuanced and hard to navigate. I hope you can fund a resolution!

If not too private, can you give me a few pointers as to what in her behaviour was difficult for you? Maybe I do some of those without realising?

I also wonder if it's an age thing, a generation thing, a personality thing.

For example, my mum once told me what with my SIL (brother's wife) she always tried to make her feel part of the family, in a way treated her more warmly than she did my brother. Ie if we all met for lunch she'd comment on how great SIL looked before she'd compliment my brother, if she was commenting on the children's good behaviour she'd often attribute it to SIL, if she made a cake it would often be SIL's favourite cake. I tried to do the same with my DIL, for example if a picture is sent I'll often say either something like "aww my favourite couple / favourite family" or "I love your dress, DIL!" But now I wonder if maybe that's overbearing or somehow too personal? Maybe outdated?

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WildGuide · 12/11/2024 21:52

She’s in the thick of parenthood. She relies on her parents which is natural, and she likely doesn’t have the headspace to maintain the relationship with you too. That’s your son’s job and he’s the one you should discuss more visits etc with.

stayathomer · 12/11/2024 21:52

A weird thing happens when you get pregnant- you both (as in pregnant mother to be and dh) are excited for your family to get to meet the child, see scans etc, and are simultaneously wanting your own family to be the first and more important. That’s how I found it anyway- I had a huge fear that the kids wouldn’t know my family enough and that everything would be from dh’s side- the clothes, traditions etc. I also really wanted my mum!!

Totally irrational but you’re all hormoned up. Also your life is changing and you want some semblance of control but everyone wants a piece of you (wants a piece of the baby really!)

helpamilout · 12/11/2024 21:55

CocoDC · 12/11/2024 20:56

If she’s relying on her DP so much she probably isn’t coping. I would probably call out the rudeness immediately as and when it arises - eg a simple ‘I wouldn’t know as you never tell me about the baby’ re the banana cake would be enough.

Mention again to your son that you’d like to see the gc more and see what he says. Maybe he can bring them to you for the day while sil has a break if she doesn’t fancy making the trip?

Maybe he can bring them to you for the day while sil has a break if she doesn’t fancy making the trip?

I've suggested this - he says DIL wouldn't be comfortable with him taking the kids away without her overnight / she doesn't think the kids would cope well, and she thinks the journey is too long for them to do there and back in the same day.
It often seems like he's trying to balance not upsetting her and getting us to see the kids more.
I've also said to him I'd love to see more of the kids, on those occasions he just creates a more thoughtful programme for the days I'm there and pays for a hotel for us (with his dad) or me to stay overnight. But doesn't increase the frequency, which he explains as "I'm working on the weekend of 1 November, then we've got a farm day planned as a family on 7 November, just want a chilled one on Sunday 8th, why don't you come over 21st Nov or 28 Nov, and the other weekend we will be doing something as a family. Working first weekend of December but then why don't you come over second weekend of December as I'm out of the country the one after" (or something along those lines) - he's got a busy schedule, he will outline is, but we can't see the kids if he isn't around and when he is off work he prioritises time with just his wife and kids - understandably.

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Imfreetofeelgood · 12/11/2024 21:55

She was on best behaviour previoualy, to impress your son, and now feels she doesn't have to? Maybe you are inly seeing the real DIL now?

Kombuchamonster · 12/11/2024 22:01

Like a pp I also wondered if you were my MIL writing! Aspects of your DIL's situation sound very similar to my life.

If it helps, the reasons I'm "cooler" with my MIL are:

  • she expressed judgement on certain choices around our wedding, pregnancy and birth which both DH and I found controlling
  • she became claustrophobic around our wedding plans and build up to new grandchild.
  • my husband finds her frustrating as she is emotionally immature and puts her own needs front and centre
  • an example is comparing herself to my mother and comparing the amount of time spent with her vs my mum / who got told news first etc. (this is in the context of me not even being particularly close to my own mother and there not being any major difference in time spent with either).
  • DH and I both had capacity to indulge this a bit more when we were child-free but now we simply don't. Husband works long hours also and it's overwhelming at times.
  • I don't have the energy to organise and mould myself to visit her and spend the day with her too often due to the above and having young DC
  • for some reason she pins the responsibility for the relationship, get togethers, diary admin etc on me rather than her own son.
Jiook · 12/11/2024 22:02

I know someone whose MIL could have probably written this.
My old friend looks after two small kids and runs the house, does every night wake up, every meal. DH works long hours. He totally backs her in everything as far as he is concerned she is the family manager and she makes the cogs turn on their life.
She will see her own parents reasonably frequently as she will go in the week (leaving meals for her DH!) and her parents will watch the DC for a few hours and send her to bed, and send her back home with baked good and shopping etc.
PIL have been expressed their displeasure in the past at feeling excluded, but similarly they live a few hours away. Going to theirs is much harder work for her, has to try and get kids down when they are overexcited and ends up all night with them, feels like she is sat making small talk but can't relax as managing children and often thinking of the meal planning, cleaning, laundry needing done when they get back. DH will openly say he can't manage the kids on his own. They never go on holiday either as don't see it as being worth it.
It's not how I live but they are happy in their relationship and the kids are cracking.

stayathomer · 12/11/2024 22:05

For example, my mum once told me what with my SIL (brother's wife) she always tried to make her feel part of the family, in a way treated her more warmly than she did my brother. Ie if we all met for lunch she'd comment on how great SIL looked before she'd compliment my brother, if she was commenting on the children's good behaviour she'd often attribute it to SIL, if she made a cake it would often be SIL's favourite cake. I tried to do the same with my DIL, for example if a picture is sent I'll often say either something like "aww my favourite couple / favourite family" or "I love your dress, DIL!" But now I wonder if maybe that's overbearing or somehow too personal? Maybe outdated?
op that sounds lovely, not outdated. Just think back to your pregnancy, it’s a tight rope walk!

Zestyfrost · 12/11/2024 22:07

@helpamilout Actually, my MIL does this too. It does grate on me as I know, she really only sees me a gateway to her son and grandchild so compliments feel s little false and awkward. But I would cope with it, if it was just that, as I could see past it and still have a decent relationship.

Our situation has developed over the years I have known her. She is a difficult person, has a lot of anxiety and insecurities and I know, I'm not the only one who finds her very hard to be around (her own children have said so, friends have told her off etc). She talks, NON stop. She assumes. She overbears under the guise of being helpful. She is flat out rude if she is in a bad mood.

But to her, this is all normal and how everyone is and I actually don't think she realises the impact it has. She does reflect a lot but on the wrong things. She will think I'm unhappy on a visit as she bought the 'wrong' bread but not realise its actually because she hasn't stopped talking and has insulted me (and usually my family) about 3 times in the first 24 hours! And I wouldn't mention the bread but if I don't eat it she will ask and ask and eventually I'll have to say, I actually don't like rye bread but please don't worry, I'm quite happy with crackers or whatever. But she will then fuss and offer to pop out etc - I feel like screaming as I genuinely don't care!

It sounds simple, I'm sure people think, just stop seeing her. But she is also kind to my husband and is a very good and loving grandmother. My child is young, I'm not being parted from them while husband and child visit her for a few days.

Equally, to come to us, it has to be a for a weekend due to distance. So not easy to extricate myself entirely but I do keep in the background, as much as possible now. I also stopped replying to the daily texts with chatty/friendly info. She isn't like that in person so I'm not willing to pretend it's all ok over text messages.

It's exhausting. We've not seen her for a while now due to circumstance and life has been peaceful and lovely.

I don't know if my long essay helps but it helps me writing it all out!

Kombuchamonster · 12/11/2024 22:07

Also if your son is working 2 weekends a month, I think offering you 1 weekend a month is INCREDIBLY generous! It only leaves about 1 for them as a family. I'm shocked you think they should give that one up to see you.

helpamilout · 12/11/2024 22:07

IvyIvyIvy · 12/11/2024 20:56

She might just be exhausted. And it's hard doing all the niceties when you are knackered. It's very easy to just feel grumpy and a bit miserable all the time when you have no time to yourself and are raising small children. Also, you and everyone else forgets who you are as a person....whereas before you'd chat about work, travelling, books you've read.....after kids you just get asked how long the kids nap, what the kids have been up to or how you are getting on with losing the baby weight. Give her a break and ask her if there is anything you can do to help her out. Try not to dump another bunch of expectations on her.

I've offered to help!
She's got a housekeeper 3 days a week who does all her laundry, cleaning, washing, some cooking. So she just responds "no need, the housekeeper will do it" if I offer to help around the house or take some of the kids' laundry to do at home then bring back next week. Again, I worry about offending her so I don't offer specifically "shall I wash your dishes" because am I then implying her house is dirty? I've brought over meals but she's made comments like "oh we actually have some food in the fridge for tonight so maybe we'll freeze your lasagne, but thank you". Then when I've warned them in advance she declines saying "oh we're okay, the housekeeper was going to make us some meals". Whenever I come I bring a cake I've made, DIL seems indifferent and DS is very happy.

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Lourdes12 · 12/11/2024 22:08

Maybe she tells her DH that she doesn’t want her MIL to babysit. Maybe she feels anxious leaving her children with anyone but her own mum

username3645 · 12/11/2024 22:08

OP it sounds as though your son is making a big effort to include you and you should just appreciate and accept that. Make the most of the time you do have with your GCs. It will change as they get older anyway, firstly as they’re more independent so won’t need their mum as much so can go away without her (if they want to) and then they’ll get older still and won’t want to see anyone other than their friends. You will have a relationship with them regardless.

It also sounds as though you simply do not have a genuine, strong relationship with your DIL. That’s no one’s fault, she chose her DH to be with not his parents and it is not a reflection on either of you as people. Before they got married and had children she probably had more energy and desire to be polite and make an effort. That fades over time but especially with children in the mix. She will spend more time with her parents because she has a genuine and strong relationship with them and it is easy. She seems to be a somewhat anxious parent so it will be easier leaving her children with people she trusts completely and effortlessly. She can be herself with them. They will look after her and have her interests as a priority.

If I were you I’d just accept things as they are. You do not want to create a rift. Your son sounds as though he is happy with the current arrangement. If not, it’s for him to sort out with his wife independently from you.

lasagnelle · 12/11/2024 22:09

For instance, when I asked how long the baby typically naps, she just shrugged and said, “Depends. she's probably fed up with inane baby talk and people judging her whatever she says. Like you say it's your son's job to facilitate the relationship here. Maybe he's an arse and doesn't like you or she doesn't like him and is plotting her escape.

Ella31 · 12/11/2024 22:09

helpamilout · 12/11/2024 21:38

Maybe she doesn’t want to put you out? Have you offered to babysit?

Yes I've offered to babysit many many times. The answer is usually either "no need, I don't like leaving them" or the conversation goes like this
DIL: oh it's okay, my mum will be covering it
Me: ok, well maybe if you need it next time you've got a doctors appointment, I'd love to do it?
DIL: yes I'll let you know if it's needed
[invites mum again next time]

Sections don’t have a longer recovery time compared to vaginal births, so maybe she thought you were judging her a bit and she is worried about sharing information with you.
Perhaps I was wrong on this? But I was sure that's the case, as firstly for me it was true, it was the case for a lot of my friends too. However, we all have birth 30+ years ago so things could have changed.

You aren't wrong about the sections. I'm afraid that poster is incorrect. Sections are major surgery and recovery is from 6-8 weeks. Now obviously if there's tears or complications with vaginal birth, the recovery can be long but as a general rule, sections take longer.

I haven't much advice on the DIL issue but just keep being kind, worst thing would be to fall out and lose access to your gc

lasagnelle · 12/11/2024 22:09

helpamilout · 12/11/2024 22:07

I've offered to help!
She's got a housekeeper 3 days a week who does all her laundry, cleaning, washing, some cooking. So she just responds "no need, the housekeeper will do it" if I offer to help around the house or take some of the kids' laundry to do at home then bring back next week. Again, I worry about offending her so I don't offer specifically "shall I wash your dishes" because am I then implying her house is dirty? I've brought over meals but she's made comments like "oh we actually have some food in the fridge for tonight so maybe we'll freeze your lasagne, but thank you". Then when I've warned them in advance she declines saying "oh we're okay, the housekeeper was going to make us some meals". Whenever I come I bring a cake I've made, DIL seems indifferent and DS is very happy.

She doesn't like your cooking so what?

Jiook · 12/11/2024 22:11

helpamilout · 12/11/2024 21:55

Maybe he can bring them to you for the day while sil has a break if she doesn’t fancy making the trip?

I've suggested this - he says DIL wouldn't be comfortable with him taking the kids away without her overnight / she doesn't think the kids would cope well, and she thinks the journey is too long for them to do there and back in the same day.
It often seems like he's trying to balance not upsetting her and getting us to see the kids more.
I've also said to him I'd love to see more of the kids, on those occasions he just creates a more thoughtful programme for the days I'm there and pays for a hotel for us (with his dad) or me to stay overnight. But doesn't increase the frequency, which he explains as "I'm working on the weekend of 1 November, then we've got a farm day planned as a family on 7 November, just want a chilled one on Sunday 8th, why don't you come over 21st Nov or 28 Nov, and the other weekend we will be doing something as a family. Working first weekend of December but then why don't you come over second weekend of December as I'm out of the country the one after" (or something along those lines) - he's got a busy schedule, he will outline is, but we can't see the kids if he isn't around and when he is off work he prioritises time with just his wife and kids - understandably.

Sorry just another one adding that this sounds totally reasonable!

Is it possible DIL feels you're guilting them for more of their time and feels resentful for it?

WitcheryDivine · 12/11/2024 22:11

Random thought but do they know you’re interested in the kids? Do you think you’ve been so tactful that actually they think you’re not very keen to spend time with them? Sometimes with parents or in laws I think the phrasing is all “do you want me to babysit for you?” type thing which implies that you’re doing a favour whereas what the grandparent may mean is “I’d love to spend time with the kids! They are great.” Personally I’d rather my PIL said that rather than making me feel like they think I’m asking for help.

Ella31 · 12/11/2024 22:11

PennyCrayon1 · 12/11/2024 21:45

Sections don’t have a longer recovery time compared to vaginal births, so maybe she thought you were judging her a bit and she is worried about sharing information with you

I can’t see where this was originally posted but surely they generally do have a longer recovery time…?

You are right. They do. C-section is major abdominal surgery. You are talking 6-8 weeks without any complications.

lasagnelle · 12/11/2024 22:12

but we can't see the kids if he isn't around and when he is off work he prioritises time with just his wife and kids - understandably. there we go you do understand then. But only when it's him..

CandyCane457 · 12/11/2024 22:12

helpamilout · 12/11/2024 22:07

I've offered to help!
She's got a housekeeper 3 days a week who does all her laundry, cleaning, washing, some cooking. So she just responds "no need, the housekeeper will do it" if I offer to help around the house or take some of the kids' laundry to do at home then bring back next week. Again, I worry about offending her so I don't offer specifically "shall I wash your dishes" because am I then implying her house is dirty? I've brought over meals but she's made comments like "oh we actually have some food in the fridge for tonight so maybe we'll freeze your lasagne, but thank you". Then when I've warned them in advance she declines saying "oh we're okay, the housekeeper was going to make us some meals". Whenever I come I bring a cake I've made, DIL seems indifferent and DS is very happy.

I find it interesting how you say SHE has a housekeeper who does all HER laundry and cleaning etc.
Does your son not also have a housekeeper? Does the housekeeper not do his laundry too?

Ive said it upthread and I’ll say it again, you’re putting all the onus on your DIL and it should be your son who is making more of an effort to see you!

RoaryLion1 · 12/11/2024 22:12

I’m another one whose MIL could have written this post! My MIL and I are not close - we’re very different people, and I’ve found her harder to be around since our DC have arrived. She’s made judgemental comments about parenting decisions (kept suggesting we gave DS1 a bottle when he was EBF, wasn’t keen on him going to nursery at 1 etc), and also lots of comments about how much she misses the GC, hasn’t seen them in ages, when it’s been a few weeks between visits. Any of that sound familiar OP?