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To be confused why DIL has suddenly changed in how she treats me

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helpamilout · 12/11/2024 20:23

My son is in his mid-30s and has been with his wife for nearly a decade. They dated for 3-4 years before getting married. When they were dating, she was lovely—chatty, friendly and extremely polite, almost overly so, often saying things like, “Do you mind if I use your bathroom?” or “Thank you very much” for even small gestures.

After they got engaged, everything still seemed fine. But a couple of weeks before the wedding, they told us she was six weeks pregnant, and that’s when things began to change. She became more private and somewhat secretive about the pregnancy (which is of course her right—it was just very different from how she had been before). She was quieter in conversations and didn’t reach out to us as much as she used to. I don’t believe we did anything to cause this; we avoided giving unsolicited advice and tried to be supportive. The only thing I can think of is that I once mentioned C-sections having longer recovery times when she shared she was considering it, but that seems minor.

We also expressed that we were very excited to meet the baby, though we didn’t pressure them with specific timing. We ended up meeting our grandchild when they were one month old, while her mom met the baby in the hospital and her dad when the baby was just three days old. When she was pregnant with their second, they didn’t tell us until she was 20 weeks along, even though it seemed her close friends already knew.

They never ask us to babysit but often ask her parents. They visit her parents once a month, but they only come to see us once or twice a year, despite us living the same distance away (a couple of hours, though in the opposite direction). I do see them a bit more often because I go to visit them, but they never invite me to stay overnight, whereas her mom often stays with them.

It’s perhaps worth noting that my daughter-in-law is a stay-at-home mom, and my son works long hours, sometimes on weekends. While arranging visits should ideally be a joint effort, it often falls on her since my son can’t really insist on her seeing us when he isn’t around. My son does make an effort to plan visits with us when he’s off work, but when I do visit, she seems distant and disengaged. I’ve heard her mention that the drive to us is “far,” yet she drives the same distance to her parents regularly. During visits, she often seems uninterested and sometimes responds quite shortly. For instance, when I asked how long the baby typically naps, she just shrugged and said, “Depends.” And when I brought a homemade banana cake for everyone to share, she laughed and said he doesn’t like bananas anymore.

I’m confused what has caused this. I’ve asked my son but he says everything is fine. Should I ask her? If so, how? Can MNers see what I’ve made done wrong or help me guess?

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PassingStranger · 13/11/2024 00:09

Babycatsmummy · 12/11/2024 23:19

This has happened with my brother. He and his fiancée don't have children though.
He used to visit us all the time ( family live in various locations from a 10 minute walk to a 45 minute drive away so not too far away) and regularly call and text. He met his fiancée and slowly the logistics changed in our relationship. I've never particularly warmed to her since she cheated in him early into their relationship then decided to give up her job and stay at home spending his money. They recently bought a house "together"... meaning he put a 30k deposit down and she's put nothing but is on the mortgage with her part time job ( she decided she was bored at home 24/7).
I've tried so many times to visit him, make plans as I've recently had a baby and bought a house but he never responds to calls or texts. We have a family group and she does all the talking. More recently, a family member has been in hospital and asked us not to tell another family member due to some personal issues and the SIL decided that the family member had a right to know and told them which has caused a falling out.

My brother hasn't spent one Christmas with his family in 7 years because he says we live too far away. Her family are a 4 hour drive away but they manage to make it there.

It's a very sad situation indeed.

You don't warm to her she probably knows that and that's why it's hard for you too see them.
Your brothers priority is quite rightly her and jot you.

Seaweed42 · 13/11/2024 00:13

I would say her behavior is totally normal.
Of course she's more comfortable with her own family than in her husband's family.
She lived most of her life with them, she feels safest there.
She's never going to feel as free at your house.
If you had a daughter it'd be the same, she'd be happier at your house.

No point thinking 'that's not fair, her parents get to see grandkids more than me' because that's just how it is.
It's not like shared custody.

It sounds like she was always shy and kept herself to herself in your house, so this has increased now she has kids.

I don't think she's done anything wrong.
One never knows someone's mental 'load' from looking in at them from the outside.

Your son seems equally happy with the situation as it is.

NoisyDenimShaker · 13/11/2024 00:19

username3645 · 12/11/2024 21:22

Agreed.

Don't you think it's a bit selfish of you both to disregard your MILs like that? One day you will be MILs and I'm sure will want to see your GCs and be included. I can only assume that you both have at least one daughter, so you don't think you need to fear being in your MILs' shoes. There's a ring of "I'm all right Jack" about these two posts. I'll never understand some people's carelessness towards older people. (I've seen a lot of middle-aged people just not bother about their parents, in general.)

Well, daughters can exclude you just as well as sons. I hope you don't walk in your MILs' shoes one day. You should include them more because it's the right thing to do, plus it benefits your children.

NoisyDenimShaker · 13/11/2024 00:25

anicecuppateaa · 12/11/2024 21:31

I’m the DIL in a similar but different situation. Different because I’m not a SAHM. Similar because despite being equidistant, we see my parents weekly and ILs a couple of times a year.

I firmly believe it is DH’s responsibility to organise stuff with his family, and he doesn’t. We are seeing them this weekend for the first time since March because I insisted. I have a family whatsapp group and send photos etc to my family. Suggested he set one up too and he never has.

If I had a better relationship with ILs I would probably make more effort, but they have never seemed to really welcome me.

That's really selfish of your husband not to bother with his parents like that.

Lunde · 13/11/2024 00:41

helpamilout · 12/11/2024 22:41

@Kingofthetyrantlizards her "mental load" is reduced by the fact there's a housekeeper for 3 days, all the cooking is done for her and all the cleaning. She says she's loving being a SAHM and jokes that she's not made for cooking or cleaning so thank goodness she doesn't have to do it.

I would say he sees her parents more than he (or she) sees us. She probably spends a week per month at their place so would go there mid-week and then he joins for the weekend. When the GPs stay over at their house, from what I understand, it's usually in the week rather than weekend but it's not really to help DIL out, the housekeeper does this, with her parents it's largely zoo trips and just days out at the park with the kids - a bit like with us when we visit, but over 4-5 days rather than 1-2. The other GPs also sometimes get invited on holiday (they all go for let's say a month and book a villa, DS will work for 2 of those weeks remotely from the holiday, and the other GPs will join for those weeks to keep DIL company). But in effect they're all on holiday together. I don't feel like I can ask DS for an invitation - if he wanted to, he'd invite me.

You see this comment makes you sound judgemental of her lifestyle - sort of - if she's not doing the housework then she "ought" to be driving to see me. This coupled with you commenting on her birth choices and complaining that she "only" spends 1 weekend a month with you are doing nothing to help you in all honesty.

I would say that she finds you hard work and she feels easier with her own family who probably don't judge her for having domestic help or how she gives birth. It seems she is happy to see you with her DH, but she doesn't really want to socialise with you without your son.

Spotnessmonster · 13/11/2024 00:44

From the perspective of a Mum- I don't need or want a break from my kids. I've had offers from my MIL in the past for childcare but to be honest I'd rather not leave the kids just because. I'm comfortable leaving them if I have a need to, it's just I enjoy being with them. Its not about her. It's easier to ask my parents for help for drs appts etc, again nothing personal.
I can see how this could make her feel rejected but there is genuinely no issue.

LizzoBennett · 13/11/2024 00:48

My guess is that she seemed more distant after becoming pregnant because she probably felt rough in the first trimester. If you were still at a point in your relationship where the strength of it was her politely asking to go to the bathroom then it was probably a very surface level relationship. She may not have felt the relationship was as deep as you did.

In terms of visiting the newborn a month down the line. Would it be right to assume that your DS had to continue working/get back to work quite quickly if he was running a business? Your DIL may have wanted her parents around her when she was vulnerable to support her. She may have wanted to wait for you to visit on a weekend that your DS wasn't working following paternity leave. Just guesswork.

It does seem unfair that you aren't invited to stay. I'm not sure what the reason could be, but it probably feels more stressful for DIL to have you in the house compared to her own parents. Perhaps she feels on edge or as if you would be judging how she chooses to live. If you're quite houseproud and she is not then she might feel anxious about having guests in-between housekeeper visits. It's hard to know.

Re babysitting, I wouldn't push that. She obviously doesn't like people babysitting her DC unless it's absolutely necessary. It seems natural that she would opt for her own parents, likely because she trusts that they will look after the DC exactly as she wants and also because she has facilitated a closer relationship between her DC and parents. If you push them, then they're likely to tighten their grip rather than loosen it.

I'm very similar actually, I have a 4 year old and a 1 year old and I didn't let my eldest go to my in-laws without me until they were 3 apart from two meals out in their town. I've never left my 1 year old with anyone but my DH. I just don't feel the need to, your DIL could feel the same. They live much closer to me though and so I visited regularly prior to my eldest visiting without me.

The crux of the issue is that your DS runs a business that requires a lot of his time and you live far away. You don't seem to have built a strong enough relationship with your DIL to make her feel that she wants to host your visits and your DS just isn't around enough to have a final say on house guests because family time is not as frequent as it is in most households. I don't think confronting her is going to help you. The only real solutions are that your DS finds time to facilitate more visits or you bide your time and wait until the DGC are older. I don't think you'll be able to strengthen your relationship with DIL while she's in the trenches of raising small children, but I could be wrong!

mjf981 · 13/11/2024 00:49

Post natal depression? Or is she just really tired and can't make the effort - are the children poor sleepers?

Strokethefurrywall · 13/11/2024 00:52

Im going against the grain here and saying that I could and would never not allow my in laws to only meet the baby after a month if my own parents had met the baby near enough immediately.

Not to mention the hurt I would feel to find out about a new grandchild halfway into the pregnancy when all her friends already knew.

My in laws were included as much as my parents, and I can't fathom (unless my in laws had behaved in a particularly heinous way) excluding my seemingly normal and loving in laws the way she is excluding you.

Unless you're actually a total nightmare OP, I think she and your son are behaving appallingly. He is not minded to even attempt to include you or make decisions relating to your relationship with his children unless the ideas are in line with hers. Batshit!

YearningForAWinteryWinter · 13/11/2024 00:59

She has enough to do and may be leaving the relationship with you to your son.
It's not her responsibility if he can't make time for you.

Jiook · 13/11/2024 01:10

NoisyDenimShaker · 13/11/2024 00:01

I thought it was a well-known fact that sections take longer to recover from, because it's major abdominal surgery. Your womb is towards the back so they have to take all your intestines out. I thought it was generally accepted that the recovery is quite a bit longer than with a vaginal birth?

I can assure you that they don't take all your intensities out!

I know it's not the point of the thread but some women have a longer recovery with a section and some with a vaginal birth. A complicated vaginal birth will often take longer to recover from than a straightforward elective section. It also depends on societies often sexist view of what constitutes 'recovery'. Having no sensation down there and weeing yourself frequently are often just accepted as sequelae of having a baby vaginally.

purpletrees16 · 13/11/2024 01:53

I have wonderful in laws but I can never shake the need to impress - with my mum I just sort of exist near her. And I don’t feel weird about her doing chores unrelated to her stay. E.g. my in laws, i would happily allow to wash the sheets they slept in but not my clothes. that’s only because it feels weird to have your DH’a mum in your knickers in a way your mum never does!

I think you may need to do less activities with kids and more just offer to help do random boring stuff like sit in whilst the kids run circles around you and label all their PE kit/uniform. Let her wonder off and WhatsApp her friends.

basically, the mum isn’t hanging out with DIL and kids having active fun all the time with activities. If she sees her that often I guarantee she’s doing cooking/cleaning/gardening/DIY to help out.

(sorry mum…love you)

username3645 · 13/11/2024 02:20

NoisyDenimShaker · 13/11/2024 00:19

Don't you think it's a bit selfish of you both to disregard your MILs like that? One day you will be MILs and I'm sure will want to see your GCs and be included. I can only assume that you both have at least one daughter, so you don't think you need to fear being in your MILs' shoes. There's a ring of "I'm all right Jack" about these two posts. I'll never understand some people's carelessness towards older people. (I've seen a lot of middle-aged people just not bother about their parents, in general.)

Well, daughters can exclude you just as well as sons. I hope you don't walk in your MILs' shoes one day. You should include them more because it's the right thing to do, plus it benefits your children.

Edited

My MIL is included but it is for my DH to organise and manage. I don’t stop her coming over or seeing her GCs and we are pleasant to one another when she is around. She means well and is kind but there is tension between us as we are very different and do not see eye to eye. It would be selfish and careless if I tried to completely exclude her from my children’s life. Expecting my DH to manage and maintain a relationship with his own mother is not selfish. He is an adult and perfectly capable of doing so for both himself and our children.

I will be kind to my children’s future partners and of course it would be nice if we get on and want to spend time together independently but I don’t expect it as a given. Our relationship with their family will be dependent on our relationship with our own children first and foremost.

Geppili · 13/11/2024 03:06

Can you honestly not see the difference between you and her mum? She completely trusts her mother. She has been vulnerable being pregnant and she feels comfortable with them. She just doesn't know you as well. Give it time.

autienotnaughty · 13/11/2024 03:53

My best guess is she made an effort inthe early days to impress your ds. But she's not actually that bothered about a relationship with you.

I would continue to be polite and supportive but accept that you are not going to be close. And continue to nurture your relationship with your son and gc when you can.

Snoopyandlucy · 13/11/2024 04:13

Do you think you were being a bit judgemental at the beginning, albeit inadvertently. Sections don’t have a longer recovery time compared to vaginal births, so maybe she thought you were judging her a bit and she is worried about sharing information with you.

Generally, sections do have a longer recovery time @Parapaderapa.

SharpOpalNewt · 13/11/2024 04:19

It's not really a surprise that DIL is closer to and sees more of her own mother.

Even when my PIL lived locally and my parents further away I didn't do things on my own with PIL when DH wasn't there and DDs were small- we did do stuff altogether but that was facilitated between DH and PIL.

I have become closer to my inlaws over the years and think fondly of them, and we all live near to one another, but I didn't have the same closeness 20 years ago.

SharpOpalNewt · 13/11/2024 04:21

I have wonderful in laws but I can never shake the need to impress - with my mum I just sort of exist near her.

Very well put.

TielEater · 13/11/2024 04:45

Laiste · 12/11/2024 21:30

How many husbands often ring their mother in laws up to arrange visits with the grand kids i wonder?

Very good point,

Ceeceele · 13/11/2024 04:59

helpamilout · 12/11/2024 22:51

Again... this is why I didn't say it initially. Maybe others are judging her but I am not - I'm glad my GC are around a mum who is happy being a SAHM rather than a mum who is forced into being a SAHM but hates it, or a mum who works and hates it. I'm glad the kids get to spend the vast majority of time doing fun activities as their mum is free to take them whilst housework is taken care of.

🤣 aaaaaand found the reason you’ve been cut out

Marmiteontoastgirlie · 13/11/2024 05:12

helpamilout · 12/11/2024 21:55

Maybe he can bring them to you for the day while sil has a break if she doesn’t fancy making the trip?

I've suggested this - he says DIL wouldn't be comfortable with him taking the kids away without her overnight / she doesn't think the kids would cope well, and she thinks the journey is too long for them to do there and back in the same day.
It often seems like he's trying to balance not upsetting her and getting us to see the kids more.
I've also said to him I'd love to see more of the kids, on those occasions he just creates a more thoughtful programme for the days I'm there and pays for a hotel for us (with his dad) or me to stay overnight. But doesn't increase the frequency, which he explains as "I'm working on the weekend of 1 November, then we've got a farm day planned as a family on 7 November, just want a chilled one on Sunday 8th, why don't you come over 21st Nov or 28 Nov, and the other weekend we will be doing something as a family. Working first weekend of December but then why don't you come over second weekend of December as I'm out of the country the one after" (or something along those lines) - he's got a busy schedule, he will outline is, but we can't see the kids if he isn't around and when he is off work he prioritises time with just his wife and kids - understandably.

This sounds really reasonable and actually a very generous amount of time to spend with them given his schedule! He sounds like he is putting heaps of effort into including you in their lives and it sounds like when you do visit it’s for a full day which is a LOT to facilitate if she’s an introvert - it’s not like you’re just popping in for lunch, your visits are quite long.

If this was my schedule I wouldn’t see either my own parents or my in laws as often as you see your DIL and DA. The thought of my parents and in laws visiting for a full day and an overnight every 4 weeks actually sounds horrible! I need alone time and time with my husband and time with friends as well. Just facilitating your schedule for both sets of parents would be two weekends essentially gone just on spending time with grandparents who are mostly just there to see the grandkids (especially in the in law’s case).

I think you just have to accept that the frequency of time spent with them is going to be different because you have to facilitate your time through your busy son, and DIL facilitates time with her own parents, which includes mid-week and longer periods as she probably finds this more enjoyable than spending time with you - doesn’t mean anyone is in the wrong, just that this is how it is.

In terms of her being cooler, maybe you just don’t mesh personality wise? If you’re honest, would you choose her as a friend if you didn’t have the MIL connection? Would she be someone you liked in the office if you worked together? If the answer is no then that’s probably why you’re not best buddies.

I do think the not getting to do a holiday with the grandkids when the other grandparents get to is unfair though, although I can see some of the logic there on their side as well, she gets her parents company while he works and then parents leave and DIL and DS get to have quality time for the rest of the holiday. It makes sense that she would choose her parents for her company while DH is working.

But regardless I do think you should ask your son about this in a casual way. Mention next summer and whether you could join them for a part of the holiday. See what he says.

Marmiteontoastgirlie · 13/11/2024 05:29

@Strokethefurrywall Although I see your perspective it’s really assuming a lot of things. We told our parents about pregnancy later than our friends because we had had a previous loss and I found it extremely horrible having to break the news to my parents as they were gutted. The next time around we waited until after the 12 week scan to tell my parents, but our close friends were told basically the day of the positive test.

Obviously this isn’t as far as 20 weeks, but you don’t know the couple’s fertility history, 20 weeks is a common date for the anomaly scan so sharing their news could have been linked to that - it’s not necessarily just about excluding the OP.

Regarding waiting 1 month to see grandkids - we have a baby due soon and 1 month would actually be the perfect time for the in laws to visit, as all the feedback I have been given is that 4-5 weeks is exactly when you need help - the Adrenalin has worn off and you’re in the trenches.

We will invite the in laws to come earlier at the same time as my mum, but it would actually be way more useful for them to be there later and way less stressful to stagger the visits, so I hope that they offer to come after she leaves. This would fall at exactly 1 month. My DH thought that we could just ask them to come at week 4, he’s not on mumsnet so isn’t aware of the MIL issue. I am, which is why I am giving MIL the option of coming at the same time as my mum to avoid any hurt feelings.

I could see a situation where DS and DIL would have not seen the issue with staggered visits and this not coming from a mean place but rather practicality and spacing out visitors.

CookieMonster28 · 13/11/2024 05:31

Zestyfrost · 12/11/2024 20:55

I can't see why this might be happening from what you have said.

But, I think my own MIL could have written this. The reason I am now as low contact with her as possible is because of her, as a person, not because she is my MIL.

Nothing big has happened and I was always eager to have a good relationship, polite, chatty, made lots of effort. But who she is has ground me down to the point that I can barely speak to her now.

I don't think she will understand why at all, in fact I even wondered if you were my MIL reading your opening post, the situations are so similar.

My husband knows I struggle with her but not the extent so he would also reassure her that everything is fine, I'm tired/busy etc.

But I feel like nothing will change so I would hate to have a 'tactful' conversation with mine, if she tried. What can I say? I can't bear you? It's hard and stressful but I'm at a loss with it all.

So, to sum up, I don't know why your situation is as it is. But I highlighted mine as it's complicated, nuanced and hard to navigate. I hope you can fund a resolution!

I'm echoing this.
It doesn't sound like you've done anything 'wrong' but my MIL made comments about birth choices when I was pregnant and it did strike a nerve and I didn't think it was minor to be honest!
Perhaps she feels that now you son and her have their own little family that she's wanting to distance from you - are you still quite 'motherly' to your son? Not saying that as a criticism but maybe she wants her husband to step away and focus on their family unit?
As PP said I'm not sure I'd appreciate MIL raising it as an issue but I can see how this must be difficult and upsetting for you. X

PixelatedLunchbox · 13/11/2024 05:46

"He arranges for us to visit them, and a full day programme of fun activities, once a month, he's even paid for a hotel for us on a few occasions so that we can stay later and see them again the next day"

Oh. There's a possible clue. Maybe money is short and she's pissed off at him and thinks you should be paying your own lodging?

Katrinawaves · 13/11/2024 06:03

Re the babysitting issue and them not wanting you to stay over in their home and not wanting to visit you, I wonder are there ways in which you differ from the other grandparents which they may find problematic whilst the kids are young? For example are one or both of you smokers? Do you have pets? Is your home less clean and tidy than they are used to? Do you drink more alcohol? Do you have routines which are either more strict or more lax than their own (eg my in laws are very rigid about meal times and not eating or drinking between meals which was tricky when my kids were toddlers). Was your parenting style very different than theirs? (If your son has fold her he used to be smacked, or left in the car outside the pub with a packet of crisps, she may be horrified if that wasn’t her experience as a child)

None of this makes you a bad person or unfit to babysit of course but it may explain why she suddenly feels so uncomfortable with you now she has small children and why some tension has crept in.