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To be confused why DIL has suddenly changed in how she treats me

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helpamilout · 12/11/2024 20:23

My son is in his mid-30s and has been with his wife for nearly a decade. They dated for 3-4 years before getting married. When they were dating, she was lovely—chatty, friendly and extremely polite, almost overly so, often saying things like, “Do you mind if I use your bathroom?” or “Thank you very much” for even small gestures.

After they got engaged, everything still seemed fine. But a couple of weeks before the wedding, they told us she was six weeks pregnant, and that’s when things began to change. She became more private and somewhat secretive about the pregnancy (which is of course her right—it was just very different from how she had been before). She was quieter in conversations and didn’t reach out to us as much as she used to. I don’t believe we did anything to cause this; we avoided giving unsolicited advice and tried to be supportive. The only thing I can think of is that I once mentioned C-sections having longer recovery times when she shared she was considering it, but that seems minor.

We also expressed that we were very excited to meet the baby, though we didn’t pressure them with specific timing. We ended up meeting our grandchild when they were one month old, while her mom met the baby in the hospital and her dad when the baby was just three days old. When she was pregnant with their second, they didn’t tell us until she was 20 weeks along, even though it seemed her close friends already knew.

They never ask us to babysit but often ask her parents. They visit her parents once a month, but they only come to see us once or twice a year, despite us living the same distance away (a couple of hours, though in the opposite direction). I do see them a bit more often because I go to visit them, but they never invite me to stay overnight, whereas her mom often stays with them.

It’s perhaps worth noting that my daughter-in-law is a stay-at-home mom, and my son works long hours, sometimes on weekends. While arranging visits should ideally be a joint effort, it often falls on her since my son can’t really insist on her seeing us when he isn’t around. My son does make an effort to plan visits with us when he’s off work, but when I do visit, she seems distant and disengaged. I’ve heard her mention that the drive to us is “far,” yet she drives the same distance to her parents regularly. During visits, she often seems uninterested and sometimes responds quite shortly. For instance, when I asked how long the baby typically naps, she just shrugged and said, “Depends.” And when I brought a homemade banana cake for everyone to share, she laughed and said he doesn’t like bananas anymore.

I’m confused what has caused this. I’ve asked my son but he says everything is fine. Should I ask her? If so, how? Can MNers see what I’ve made done wrong or help me guess?

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Laiste · 12/11/2024 21:05

There seems to be so many threads popping up recently about perceived preference towards maternal grandparents vs paternal grandparents.

The age old 'daughter in law being gate keeper to relationship with my son' theme popping up again here.

OP - i don't know why your DIL has cooled towards you over the years and no one here really has a chance of working it out if you yourself don't know. There could be a million and one reasons.

I do think a lot of your issues could be helped by you communicating more directly with your son.

With threads about DIL problems there always feels as if there's a slight undercurrent of 'my poor son' about it. I do feel that here too. Maybe DIL is picking this up?

It sounds like DIL is doing the donkey work re driving the kids to see their grandparents while her husband is working. It's kind of natural that she's going to be more inclined to gravitate towards spending the day at her own parents. Just like if your son was doing a 'taking the kids to grandparents for the day' day he'd be more likely to chose to go to yours rather than his inlaws, no ...?

CocoDC · 12/11/2024 21:05

Lavender14 · 12/11/2024 21:00

'If she’s relying on her DP so much she probably isn’t coping. I would probably call out the rudeness immediately as and when it arises - eg a simple ‘I wouldn’t know as you never tell me about the baby’ re the banana cake would be enough.'

Is this really what a mum who isn't coping needs though??? @CocoDC to me that would finish the relationship rather than help it if she's struggling.

It’s the truth though. Women often become sahm when they struggle in their jobs and think being at home will be easier and then struggle at home too. Her needing to see her DP multiple times in the week is a massive red flag.

Kingofthetyrantlizards · 12/11/2024 21:06

Alittlebitfluffy · 12/11/2024 20:42

Perhaps she may be struggling with it all a bit, extremely exhausted etc?

She probably feels like she needs to be a bit more put together to see you for example VS her own parents.

I am very close to my MIL and despite what comments above have said I do tend to do a lot of the messaging and organising mostly because my partner isn't the best at remembering to reply etc. And for me the only time this has changed is if something has happened to strain the relationship. This can sometimes be that I'm really stressed or burnt out and withdraw a bit. Whereas I will lean on my parents more because I feel more comfortable with them seeing me vulnerable.

So perhaps it's something like that?

I think it's this - she's exhausted having to do everything as a SAHM and a DH who works long hours, and just needs to not add organising/entertaining even more people to her list. Or if she feels her that your son isn't making an effort with her parents, why should she bother with his - do they see them together, or is it good support when he's working?

I'm not saying it's fair on you at all - you sound lovely. But I've definitely felt a bit pissy at my lovely in-laws when I feel my DH hasn't been pulling his weight (but I do try not to show it, and we do see them a lot)

Nohugspleaseandthankyou · 12/11/2024 21:07

It does seem to me like you put all the blame on her and judge her a bit (the she's a very hands on mum which could have been left there and been quite nice but then on to explain it in a way that, to me, comes across as if you think she's over the top)
If I've got it right she's probably picked up on yhe judgement.

My grand mother in law is similar. Often little comments that would be nothing as a one off but add up to a picture. I laugh it off (and have fun with it by talking even more about the aspects of my parenting she judges) bur not everyone finds it funny.

StormingNorman · 12/11/2024 21:08

The cynic in me thinks she won you over to win her man. Now she has her husband and child locked down, she doesn’t need to bother.

Laiste · 12/11/2024 21:10

StormingNorman · 12/11/2024 21:08

The cynic in me thinks she won you over to win her man. Now she has her husband and child locked down, she doesn’t need to bother.

Blimey .....

Sugargliderwombat · 12/11/2024 21:11

I wonder if they could be having problems? I suppose she might withdraw a bit if she was having issues in her marriage - it's horrible pretending everything is OK with family when really you're struggling.

OutboundName · 12/11/2024 21:11

When I first met my in laws ten years ago, I was generally relaxed and well rested and calm so I was able to be chatty and engaging. Now, years later with DC and a much more demanding job, I'm mostly exhausted and my social battery is empty much of the time. So I find i just have less energy for that sort of thing. It's not about any other people or anything they did, I just have less capacity for it than I did before. I engage less with everyone now! Maybe this helps? It might not be you or anything you've done but rather the change in her circumstances over time.

Barrenfieldoffucks · 12/11/2024 21:13

CocoDC · 12/11/2024 21:05

It’s the truth though. Women often become sahm when they struggle in their jobs and think being at home will be easier and then struggle at home too. Her needing to see her DP multiple times in the week is a massive red flag.

Why on earth is it a red flag to want to see her family? 🤔

whyamiawakestillitssolate · 12/11/2024 21:14

My MIL probably feels a bit like this and there’s nothing at all wrong with her, she’s a perfectly pleasant lady. But we’ve nothing really in common except my DH and I don’t have a huge desire for “extra” family so feel no drive to make the effort to see her on my own without DH.

DH works full time so weekends are precious for him to do his things / our household family time. Also I’m perfectly happy for DH to see his mother whenever he likes (and I normally go too) but I find men are often not as focused on seeing relatives so we definitely see MIL less than my parents (who I actively want to see / plan to see, mostly when DH is at work). We still see MIL but only every couple of months.

My DH is happy with this so it probably only doesn’t work brilliantly for MIL. I’d suggest maybe your situation might be similar? It’s hard but I think the sayings about sons vs daughters are prob often true.

randomusernam · 12/11/2024 21:17

Have you ever considered this isn't to do with your DIL. As a young mother myself I have enough on my plate without babysitting my husbands relationships. It is not my job to arrange to see his family. If he wants to spend time with them he should speak up and arrange it. Going to my mother's house is a break for me. Not because I dislike my MIL but because she just isn't my mum. I get to sit back and be taken care of by my mum which I know is a bit selfish but I need to be selfish sometimes because I give so much to my kids and my husband doesn't work long hours and weekends. I get on really well with my MIL but often still don't feel like I can ask things of her like I do with my mum. I feel cheeky asking whereas I just don't feel like that with my own. If your DIL has to do most of the house life admin and it's like pulling teeth to ask her husband to do something she might just find it easier to ask her mum. Have you ever offered to babysit or said is there anything I can do to help I can see husband works long hours and that must be so hard. If you ever need a favour I'm always happy to help.

Purplewarrior · 12/11/2024 21:18

So you spend at least a whole day with your GC every month, sometimes staying over in a hotel?

Given the fact you live a couple of hours away I think that’s reasonable, sorry

username3645 · 12/11/2024 21:22

whyamiawakestillitssolate · 12/11/2024 21:14

My MIL probably feels a bit like this and there’s nothing at all wrong with her, she’s a perfectly pleasant lady. But we’ve nothing really in common except my DH and I don’t have a huge desire for “extra” family so feel no drive to make the effort to see her on my own without DH.

DH works full time so weekends are precious for him to do his things / our household family time. Also I’m perfectly happy for DH to see his mother whenever he likes (and I normally go too) but I find men are often not as focused on seeing relatives so we definitely see MIL less than my parents (who I actively want to see / plan to see, mostly when DH is at work). We still see MIL but only every couple of months.

My DH is happy with this so it probably only doesn’t work brilliantly for MIL. I’d suggest maybe your situation might be similar? It’s hard but I think the sayings about sons vs daughters are prob often true.

Agreed.

SoNiceToComeHomeTo · 12/11/2024 21:25

I don't know what to say except that perhaps DIL put in effort to be nice to you at first when she was establishing her relationship with DS, but it was an effort, and now she has a husband and baby, she has returned her attention to her own parents where she wants it to be.
I'm normally an advocate of asking the other person what is wrong, but I'm not sure it would help in this case. Maybe just see the GC as often as you can and eventually there will be a solid relationship in place that will grow as they get older, without so much input being needed from DIL.

Laiste · 12/11/2024 21:26

I bet it's a bit of both OutboundName and whyamiawakestillitssolate's thoughts.

I'd say that i too am a different person now than all those years ago when i first met the inlaws. I was a lot more eager to please back then, but have gone through quite a lot of shit (unrelated to them) and am now a truer version of myself. Less keen to spread myself thin to please everyone else.

Plus there's no 'problem' with my own MIL, she's nice enough, but i don't feel a massive bond with her. I leave DH to manage his own relationship with his family and i certainly don't get in the way. It's not my job to keep that ball in the air though.

ManhattanPopcorn · 12/11/2024 21:27

CocoDC · 12/11/2024 21:05

It’s the truth though. Women often become sahm when they struggle in their jobs and think being at home will be easier and then struggle at home too. Her needing to see her DP multiple times in the week is a massive red flag.

I'd argue pretty strongly that that's not "the truth though".

That's highly offensive.

Laiste · 12/11/2024 21:30

How many husbands often ring their mother in laws up to arrange visits with the grand kids i wonder?

anicecuppateaa · 12/11/2024 21:31

I’m the DIL in a similar but different situation. Different because I’m not a SAHM. Similar because despite being equidistant, we see my parents weekly and ILs a couple of times a year.

I firmly believe it is DH’s responsibility to organise stuff with his family, and he doesn’t. We are seeing them this weekend for the first time since March because I insisted. I have a family whatsapp group and send photos etc to my family. Suggested he set one up too and he never has.

If I had a better relationship with ILs I would probably make more effort, but they have never seemed to really welcome me.

schoolsoutforever · 12/11/2024 21:35

I would guess that she may be finding having children hard and she needs her parents/mum whom she probably feels totally comfortable with. When I had small children I leaned on my own mother but, although I liked my in-laws, I wouldn't have felt as comfortable asking for their help; that would have been for my husband to do. It was never anything personal, just me feeling worn out and perhaps being a little shorter or less engaged as a result. It will no doubt pass. My advice would be to offer help (to your son) and see what happens.

helpamilout · 12/11/2024 21:38

Parapaderapa · 12/11/2024 20:50

Maybe she doesn’t want to put you out? Have you offered to babysit? I get on really well with my in-laws and they see us more than my parents, but I leave all the arranging up to my husband. I do all the arranging with my parents.

Do you think you were being a bit judgemental at the beginning, albeit inadvertently. Sections don’t have a longer recovery time compared to vaginal births, so maybe she thought you were judging her a bit and she is worried about sharing information with you.

Maybe she doesn’t want to put you out? Have you offered to babysit?

Yes I've offered to babysit many many times. The answer is usually either "no need, I don't like leaving them" or the conversation goes like this
DIL: oh it's okay, my mum will be covering it
Me: ok, well maybe if you need it next time you've got a doctors appointment, I'd love to do it?
DIL: yes I'll let you know if it's needed
[invites mum again next time]

Sections don’t have a longer recovery time compared to vaginal births, so maybe she thought you were judging her a bit and she is worried about sharing information with you.
Perhaps I was wrong on this? But I was sure that's the case, as firstly for me it was true, it was the case for a lot of my friends too. However, we all have birth 30+ years ago so things could have changed.

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CocoDC · 12/11/2024 21:40

helpamilout · 12/11/2024 21:38

Maybe she doesn’t want to put you out? Have you offered to babysit?

Yes I've offered to babysit many many times. The answer is usually either "no need, I don't like leaving them" or the conversation goes like this
DIL: oh it's okay, my mum will be covering it
Me: ok, well maybe if you need it next time you've got a doctors appointment, I'd love to do it?
DIL: yes I'll let you know if it's needed
[invites mum again next time]

Sections don’t have a longer recovery time compared to vaginal births, so maybe she thought you were judging her a bit and she is worried about sharing information with you.
Perhaps I was wrong on this? But I was sure that's the case, as firstly for me it was true, it was the case for a lot of my friends too. However, we all have birth 30+ years ago so things could have changed.

Tell your DS you want to babysit more often and hurt you don’t see DGC more often. See what he says.

helpamilout · 12/11/2024 21:41

@CandyCane457 yes my son does plan to meet us when he can, in the weekends. But often he is working - late evenings and some weekends. I'd say in a month he works 1-2 weekends, I guess DIL (rightly so! And as any other wife would too!!) wouldn't be happy to spend every weekend that he isn't working, with us, they'd both likely prefer to have some family time so this results in 1 visit per month, during the weekend. Occasionally he'll pay for a hotel but never invited to stay over at their house because she says "it's already crowded" (4 bed house with 2 adults, 2 children, they have 2 spare rooms as the youngest is in the parents' room) although her parents stay over.

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PennyCrayon1 · 12/11/2024 21:42

I withdrew from my in law when my daughter was born.

To be honest I’m not that sure why, really. My parents were further away and I was a bit obsessed with this idea that I didn’t want my in laws to be closer to my daughter than my own parents. I always felt a bit uptight and annoyed when my mother in law came round, she’s kind and loving but she’s “a lot” and I think I just didn’t have the headspace for her.

my daughters are older now and to be honest I regret the way I was with them now. I feel silly. However, what I would say is that my husband did make sure they were kept in the loop and included and that’s where I think a lot of this is down to your son.

How did it come about that you didn’t see the baby for a month after they were born? As tempted as I might have been to keep my in laws away at that time, my husband simply wouldn’t have allowed that.

junebirthdaygirl · 12/11/2024 21:44

The biggest thing here is not seeing your first gc until they were a month old. That's shocking. I don't understand how your ds didn't want you to see his baby for such a long time and didn'tmake it happen. . I don't know if l could ever get over that. I wouldn't say anything as it will only make things worse. Focus on your own son and maybe as the children grow you will see them more. But it does seem like you have a nice time with them when you go there.
As for your dil l wouldn't put myself out too much. Maybe she is just not a very social person.

PennyCrayon1 · 12/11/2024 21:45

Sections don’t have a longer recovery time compared to vaginal births, so maybe she thought you were judging her a bit and she is worried about sharing information with you

I can’t see where this was originally posted but surely they generally do have a longer recovery time…?