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AIBU?

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DD being petulant over DGP visit (18yo)

266 replies

Norzilla · 11/11/2024 01:25

So I invited DGP over ( 78yo ) for Christmas this year. They went to DB last year. If they don't come here they will be alone this year. DD is outraged to have them here despite no real reason for it. She is 18yo at uni locally and still at home.
Tonight I had a huge row, explained DGP might only live another 15 years and least she can be is kind and empathetic to me and them. Much stropping ensued! DGP have their own room but will use the bathroom. I told her she was being rude and a brat. AIBU?

OP posts:
Anotherworrier · 12/11/2024 19:15

Kate8889 · 11/11/2024 02:43

Could something have happened that you don't know about?

This was my first thought.

I would try to understand where this is coming from.

Rockchicknana · 12/11/2024 22:36

starrynight21 · 11/11/2024 03:25

15 years is a bit of a stretch. At 78 this could easily be her last Christmas . I'd be giving your daughter a sharp talking-to.

Thanks for that! I'm 78 and I damned well hope my family aren't thinking this could be my last Christmas!!

Norzilla · 16/11/2024 23:41

My parents have always lived several hours away so haven't been as involved as other DGP. There has been tension between me and DM at times as she has not always been supportive of me.
However I am trying to build bridges and improve relationships. DGF has had cancer and I realise our time is running short. Both are reasonably well and active physically and mentally.
However now to add to complications DB has invited us all for xmas. DP , DD and DTS are now all moaning about not wanting to go there. DB shares custody with DN and DN and his ex W so has them this year for xmas day. I feel like just going without them and feel DH is being obstructive and influencing their thoughts about going.

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MartinCrieffsLemon · 17/11/2024 00:15

There are too many initials in that last post to completely follow

But I'd say just go on your own.

HolyPeaches · 17/11/2024 00:33

What or who is a DTS?

HomeTheatreSystem · 17/11/2024 04:54

Go on your own to your brother's and leave your DH to sort Christmas for the kids. Make the most of being with your parents while you can. I think if you don't get another chance to have Christmas with your dad, you may come to resent your DH and daughter for being difficult when you really could have done with their support and understanding.

Ponoka7 · 17/11/2024 06:08

HolyPeaches · 17/11/2024 00:33

What or who is a DTS?

It usually stands for twins.

OP, your DH should get a equal say in were Christmas is spent. If you do all decide to go, your DD is old enough to stay at home.

ThinWomansBrain · 17/11/2024 06:14

go by yourself & leave the selfish brats to it.

Wednesdaysdrag · 17/11/2024 06:24

Norzilla · 16/11/2024 23:41

My parents have always lived several hours away so haven't been as involved as other DGP. There has been tension between me and DM at times as she has not always been supportive of me.
However I am trying to build bridges and improve relationships. DGF has had cancer and I realise our time is running short. Both are reasonably well and active physically and mentally.
However now to add to complications DB has invited us all for xmas. DP , DD and DTS are now all moaning about not wanting to go there. DB shares custody with DN and DN and his ex W so has them this year for xmas day. I feel like just going without them and feel DH is being obstructive and influencing their thoughts about going.

So I am guessing while your parents are there, there’s going to be quite a bit of tension? While DM is not supportive of you and that impacts you, it’s likely there’s an impact on everyone else as well.

I appreciate you wanting to build to bridges with your parents, but that doesn’t mean that everyone else will be looking forward to them being there. Or the resulting issues it will create.

But also, now you have made the decision you are all going to your brothers and not happy because everyone else isn’t on board either.

It does come across as a little bit like you are centring you, your parents and your brother and ignoring how everyone feels and annoyed they won’t just go along with it. It seems not everyone wants to spend this time with your family, perhaps due to the difficulties in your relationship.

Your dh and kids must have a reason they don’t want to go to your brothers. I am guessing your dd has said why she isn’t happy about your parents coming. Even if you don’t agree with them, they will have said it. Even if it’s that last years Christmas was far better and enjoyable without them last year. But you aren’t really saying. Surely your DH gets input on Christmas plans?

Necky1 · 17/11/2024 06:49

Perhaps spend Christmas day at home, keeping it super simple effort wise, leaving Boxing day and going to visit and stay with your brother and parents for a few days.

DieStrassensindimmernass · 17/11/2024 07:06

There might be more to this OP.
Please don't discount her feelings.
Ask her why she's so upset.

Fluufer · 17/11/2024 07:23

Sounds like your DD rightly anticipates a tense Christmas with people she hardly knows. I personally think bridges should be built the other 364 days of the year, Christmas can be an end goal when both parties have put the work in for a while.
Perhaps an overreaction, but 18yos aren't always the most.rational beings.

DoreenonTill8 · 17/11/2024 08:11

It does come across as a little bit like you are centring you, your parents and your brother and ignoring how everyone feels and annoyed they won’t just go along with it. It seems not everyone wants to spend this time with your family, perhaps due to the difficulties in your relationship.
This, and wondering if this selfish centering behaviour is learned from the GPs?
I'm just still thinking is sad but probably a crucial point of the issue is all the horrible and vicious names some horrible posters have called the dd and unless I've missed it @Norzilla hasn't defended her daughter.

Gwenhwyfar · 17/11/2024 08:37

thereisamouseinthehouse · 11/11/2024 07:00

Has no one got any understanding for the DD?
What are your parents like, OP? How long will they be staying for?
Mine will be coming for three nights over Xmas as they live several hours away. It will be lovely to see them but it will be hard work at times as it always is when they come to stay. They are quite set in their ways and my DF expects to rule the roost in a way that DD just isn't used to. It annoys her on a number of levels. Then there are the practical things like DF being slightly deaf so having the TV on louder than we would usually have it. Meanwhile, DM is conscious that, due to distance, she doesn't have the closest relationship with the DC and so constantly asks them questions. It all comes out of kindness but DD in particular finds it challenging.
The other aspect is that our Christmases aren't anything like on TV. Yes, we have lots of delicious food & drink, there will be plenty of presents, the beating will be on and we have a roof over our head. But we don't have much fun. Of course, TV isn't reality but what is real are the Christmases her close friends have, all of whom happen to have loads of cousins they adore and who spend the period all messing around together. No doubt there are moments of strife but they don't get mentioned to DD. When younger, we always saw various family friends over Christmas but, sadly, due to various changes in their circumstances (in one case tragic and in the other two sad so not something we can ever change or complain about as it is always so much worse for them) that won't happen again, or at least not in the same way.
A chunk of my Xmas prep is planning things for DD so she gets time out over their visit but without there ever being a hint to the GPs as to why.
DS, on the other hand, will be delightful whilst they are here but then need several days to decompress afterwards.

Family Christmases on TV are often really awful. Do you just watch Mary Poppins?

Norzilla · 17/11/2024 08:49

LilacTurtle · 11/11/2024 07:08

It seems a strong reaction. Why would DD say she was so strongly opposed to the idea?

My relationship with DM has had ups and downs. She is not very maternal but does love DD. My DD does want to see them but just not xmas. Both DM and DF will play games with us and chat to the DC.
We have always lived some distance from them ( military) and neither DC has been left alone with DF and no issues with DF from my perspective or childhood.

OP posts:
Norzilla · 17/11/2024 08:59

safetyfreak · 11/11/2024 08:03

There is a backstory here!

Shame OP has not come back to explain why.

I am assuming grandparent is difficult.

I have come back. Just needed sleep Blush
My DM and I had our differences. With me in childhood she was very critical. However in the last few years we have got on better. Prior to that my job seriously affected my MH. My DD has always been quite spoiled and DH feeds into wanting the perfect family xmas together due to his upbringing. We rarely have visitors but recently when I suggest going to DGP husband and DC always busy or pull faces. I feel he has isolated me from my family and has manipulated DC to think negatively about them.

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banality101 · 17/11/2024 09:01

I would be so disappointed and ashamed of my DC if they behaved like this. Some PP might think that the entire world should centre around the whims of children (which apparently now stretches to young adults) but I think that DC who grow up with a level of entitlement and thinking that they are everyone's line manager will grow up to be horrible adults.

Norzilla · 17/11/2024 09:04

Jimmyneutronsforehead · 11/11/2024 08:24

In a comment on someone else's post the OP says her daughter didn't maintain any friendships growing up but seems to be getting a bit better at uni, which is making me think there's something else going on.

For whatever reason, this young woman creates space between herself and others. It would be great if the OP came back to confirm some things that have been asked.

Yes she did have friends but was very choosy. She had a group of friends in 6th form and has made friends at Uni. She has friends from work.
While I agree she is likely mildly ASD does this excuse being selfish?

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Norzilla · 17/11/2024 09:10

LadyGabriella · 11/11/2024 09:29

She’s being unreasonable. Tell her they’re coming for Xmas end of discussion. Also 15 years as other posters have said, is an extremely generous estimation.

In our family we have many family members who lived into 90s and one lived to 104. So yes it is quite realistic. DF s grandmother lived to 94!

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Fluufer · 17/11/2024 09:11

How often do they come and stay throughout the year?

roastiepotato · 17/11/2024 09:12

Has she given any clue as to why she doesn't want them there?

Daleksatemyshed · 17/11/2024 09:15

Your DD is an adult, spoilt or not, ADHD or not, she needs to start learning that the world doesn't revolve around her. If you want your DM to come at Christmas then invite her and refuse to change your mind.

Norzilla · 17/11/2024 09:18

Purplewarrior · 11/11/2024 10:04

I’m quite shocked at the vitriolic responses aimed at the DD by some posters.

We have very little info here. She might have specific difficulties going on in her life, she might be a brat, or the DGP might be an aggressive alcoholic/misogynist/racist/homophobe.

Until @Norzilla gives us more info, it’s really impossible to know who, if anyone, is BU

DGP are fairly fit people for 78/ 79 .
They just sit and chat / watch TV / have a glass of wine/ bring presents.
With me DM has been critical in the past but we had discussions about 8 years ago and it stopped.
Since then DD2 came out as trans which they have accepted, call by new name and refer to as he him.
They are not mean people generally and love DC ( more than they did me) .
DD has always had a selfish streak which is enabled by DH pandering. ( He was neglected as a child so gives DD all).

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Norzilla · 17/11/2024 09:22

MeganM3 · 11/11/2024 10:38

I'd be the same as her. I don't like house guests, house is too small and only one proper bathroom.
Last time someone stayed over it was for 3 days and I had to bunk down with the kids and no one slept well, it was all just a pain.

One night I find ok but any longer and I'm very uncomfortable.
Would be too unrelaxing over Xmas.

There must be more to this anyway. What's the set up and why does she feel this way

Our house is not too small. 4 double bedrooms and 3 bathrooms and separate wc downstairs.

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Fluufer · 17/11/2024 09:22

You don't speak very nicely of your DD at all. There's so much to unpack there. Who goes where for Christmas is the least of your problems.