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To be SO fucking hurt by this

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BelleSauvage9 · 10/11/2024 00:27

Just been at a birthday party for my nephew in laws partner. At the end of the night dp made a big point of telling nephew to get up in the morning with their kids (because he never does). Dp NEVER gets up with our kids. Not on my birthday, mother's day, just never. I feel so unbelievably hurt that he thinks nephews partner is worth that effort and I, the mother of his children, his partner, the hub of our home, is not.

I expressed this to him. His response was that he tells me to wake him up. I've told him many times there's no point in doing that because if I'm awake enough to wake him, then I'm awake and I won't be able to go back to sleep. And it just feels like a bloody cop out, and puts the responsibility onto me. How the hell does being responsible for your own lie in make you feel valued and appreciated and cared for. I just despair :(

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Luckylu123 · 16/11/2024 19:10

BelleSauvage9 · 10/11/2024 00:51

There's probably some truth in the point you're making, though I wouldn't consider myself 'semi-martyr' about it. More just thinking to myself I won't ask him for anything because it doesn't mean anything if I have to ask for it I guess? Like I feel like asking him to show appreciation for me and giving me extra rest because I deserve it for everything I do for our family defeats the point of him bothering to do it because what I really want is to feel appreciated and asking for it doesn't make me feel that, him thinking it and making the effort off his own back is what will make me feel that. That feels a bit rambley but I hope you get my meaning

True, but if you want a lie in so you feel more energised for the day wake him up. It’s a shame he doesn’t think you deserve it, but at least you’ll get to catch up on sleep and have some peace and quiet for a few hours

Cyb3rg4l · 16/11/2024 19:13

BelleSauvage9 · 10/11/2024 01:15

Yes I think you're right about this. He was also wonderful, a gem of a dad, at the party with our dc when he's generally average at best day to day

I can see why this is particularly upsetting - he clearly knows what do, but can’t quite be arsed if no one is watching. And based on results, you are no one. I would consider going to a hotel on the nights it is your turn for a lie in 😂

mumedu · 16/11/2024 19:14

I totally get this. He's not a bad partner; he just doesn't get it.

Purpleumberella · 16/11/2024 19:21

BelleSauvage9 · 10/11/2024 13:20

I have actually stopped doing many of my appreciative behaviours because I just don't feel appreciative much now due to his lack of team work and not making me feel appreciated 🤷‍♀️ it doesn't seem to have made him think that maybe that's because he's not behaving in a way that deserves appreciation.

But I suppose everyone's right that if he's not going to do it off his own back then I just have to force the issue. I just want to be with someone where I don't have to do that, and they make me feel valued without me having to demand it.

Do you not feel like him working and providing for the family is valuable? If you want to share your load of early morning childcare, should you not also start working so he could reduce his hours? If he's up early 5 days a week then why shouldn't he be able to sleep in on his days off? I think you're looking for problems tbh.

At the end of the day its a unit you're both contributing to. It sounds like you think your part is more valuable than his even though he's financially supporting you.

Cyb3rg4l · 16/11/2024 20:21

Purpleumberella · 16/11/2024 19:21

Do you not feel like him working and providing for the family is valuable? If you want to share your load of early morning childcare, should you not also start working so he could reduce his hours? If he's up early 5 days a week then why shouldn't he be able to sleep in on his days off? I think you're looking for problems tbh.

At the end of the day its a unit you're both contributing to. It sounds like you think your part is more valuable than his even though he's financially supporting you.

So he works full time outside the home 5 days a week and of course it’s reasonable for him to have a lie in at the weekend. OP works full time inside the home, longer hours, but it is not reasonable for her to have a lie in at the weekend because her work is unpaid? Did I get that right?

LookItsMeAgain · 16/11/2024 21:03

BelleSauvage9 · 10/11/2024 00:27

Just been at a birthday party for my nephew in laws partner. At the end of the night dp made a big point of telling nephew to get up in the morning with their kids (because he never does). Dp NEVER gets up with our kids. Not on my birthday, mother's day, just never. I feel so unbelievably hurt that he thinks nephews partner is worth that effort and I, the mother of his children, his partner, the hub of our home, is not.

I expressed this to him. His response was that he tells me to wake him up. I've told him many times there's no point in doing that because if I'm awake enough to wake him, then I'm awake and I won't be able to go back to sleep. And it just feels like a bloody cop out, and puts the responsibility onto me. How the hell does being responsible for your own lie in make you feel valued and appreciated and cared for. I just despair :(

Your response to him saying that you are to wake him needs to be "I'm not your alarm clock. You are an adult and a parent and you can set your own alarm. You're setting a terrible example for your kids by the way that they always see me getting up with them in the morning and never you. So for the time being, you're going to be getting up every Saturday/Sunday with the kids, so you need to do what you need to do"

Then don't do or say another thing.

Let him set up or fail. Then you'll know where you are in relation to this.

HeatherCross · 16/11/2024 21:20

Chandoswest · 10/11/2024 00:44

His response was that he tells me to wake him up. I've told him many times there's no point in doing that because if I'm awake enough to wake him, then I'm awake and I won't be able to go back to sleep. And it just feels like a bloody cop out, and puts the responsibility onto me.

Yes it's a cop out but hold him to it then, wake him up and then disappear back into bed. He's too thick or inconsiderate to take the initiative so this is the next best thing.

ExH used to pretend he was still asleep whilst I got our toddler up most mornings, did the whole morning routine. If I had a lie in then I would be met with complaints of tiredness, a reminder of the exact time he woke up and the need for him to go back to bed.

Men are ass wipes..end of! And no, am not bitter, l am married to a Narcissist..try THAT one ! Luckily l am a Psychologist so am one step ahead! 😁

Purpleumberella · 16/11/2024 21:46

Cyb3rg4l · 16/11/2024 20:21

So he works full time outside the home 5 days a week and of course it’s reasonable for him to have a lie in at the weekend. OP works full time inside the home, longer hours, but it is not reasonable for her to have a lie in at the weekend because her work is unpaid? Did I get that right?

No I think she should get a lie in sometimes if thats what she wants as well but the fact is, he's not said he wouldn't do that for her. He's said he would, he just wants her to wake him up and she's being difficult and saying she won't get back to sleep then. I'm not sure how she knows she won't get back to sleep if she's never had a lie in like she's saying.

Also I get being a Mum is essentially a full time job but to say it's more than working full time I think is a bit disingenuous. I've done both and I can say being a stay at home Mum is a lot easier than working full time and I think a lot of women would agree.

Workingmum13 · 16/11/2024 22:13

I believe that your role as a stay-at-home mom is incredibly valuable in supporting the family. While it's true that contributions might not be equally balanced, it's important for both partners to receive equal respect for their efforts. It would be beneficial for him to take on more responsibility with the kids, and for her to establish clearer boundaries. However, it's essential to recognize that the impact of him losing his full-time job is not the same as your decision to step back from yours. Its very very dishonest.

Workingmum13 · 16/11/2024 22:15

I get the impression also in the office that this relationship dynamic is the biggest driver of divorce. I thought covid was bad but its getting crazy anyone else notice that,

Cyb3rg4l · 16/11/2024 22:33

Workingmum13 · 16/11/2024 22:13

I believe that your role as a stay-at-home mom is incredibly valuable in supporting the family. While it's true that contributions might not be equally balanced, it's important for both partners to receive equal respect for their efforts. It would be beneficial for him to take on more responsibility with the kids, and for her to establish clearer boundaries. However, it's essential to recognize that the impact of him losing his full-time job is not the same as your decision to step back from yours. Its very very dishonest.

Why would her having a weekend lie in mean hubby loses his job? She’s not stepping back from her job, she is asking him in his free time to step up as a parent. Which is also his job. There’s nothing dishonest or unreasonable in that expectation.

Workingmum13 · 16/11/2024 23:05

Cyb3rg4l · 16/11/2024 22:33

Why would her having a weekend lie in mean hubby loses his job? She’s not stepping back from her job, she is asking him in his free time to step up as a parent. Which is also his job. There’s nothing dishonest or unreasonable in that expectation.

She is saying that she does more for him than her, I'm saying that is not how I read this situation.

Candy24 · 16/11/2024 23:14

OH Im so sorry. it really hurts when they wont give the general consideration of loving you enough to see a genuine need. My husband is the same and it hurts a lot. I don't have any answers other than dont involve others in the issue as it will just make it worse for yourself as they wont see you as anything but a bitter shrew

Dder · 17/11/2024 01:25

I would wake him up, ask him for a cuppa and stay in bed even if you can't get back to sleep, you don't have to get up every time, I wouldn't :)

WendyA22 · 17/11/2024 02:39

BelleSauvage9 · 10/11/2024 00:37

But this is part of the problem isn't it, why should I have to tell him to set his alarm?! If he cares about me and values my contribution to our household why can't he think for himself to set an alarm?? Why can't he think to himself 'she works really hard for our family, she must be tired, I'll make an effort tomorrow and get up with the kids, I best set my alarm to make sure I wake up'. Why is it MY responsibility to make him behave like an appreciative partner?!

Well it shouldn't be your responsibility in an ideal world, but he hasn't said he wouldn't do it, he just said wake him up.

If you want the lay in just wake him up, you might be awake but you'll still be having the morning to yourself.

Mummsymummsy · 17/11/2024 08:14

Do you know what. I’ve read through all the comments on here, and I can see that all of the comments are pretty much the same. I just want to say, I hear you, I know exactly where you’re coming from as my ex husband was the same. He still is to a degree, as he’s a narcisstic person who comes across as the dutiful father & an ‘amazing Dad’ in public, but behind closed doors, the man was a complete and utter twat!
so here goes my more ‘maturer side of me’ advice.
you can poke it or take it, but either way this is in no way aimed at criticism to any of the comments here, or yourself @BelleSauvage9. Believe me this is being offered by someone who has had months of intensive therapy to learn how to deal with this type of person because we share our kids. 😤
He has said to you ‘wake me up’ which you’ve responded. I shouldn’t have to, you should do it automatically without me having to ask. Right?
However, in another sentence you’ve said ‘what’s the point, as I’m already awake, I can’t get back to sleep so I’m awake anyway’…..that’s the problem. You’re asking him to change or consider your feelings, but when he gives you a solution, by saying wake me up, (which I agree, you shouldn’t have too) your more or less giving him the excuse to not do it as you’ve told him ‘there’s no point’. Does that make sense? It’s mixed messages and confusing. A man’s brain isn’t empathetic or emotionally involved, unlike women’s and Mums brains. I’ve learned this over time.
Another example where we let the girl code down-

‘Husband-what would you like for Xmas?
Wife-‘Dont worry about buying me anything this year, let’s just focus on buying for the kids as I don’t need anything’

Xmas morning- Wife then gives Husband a gift. (Maybe a pair of socks, doesn’t need to be anything big, but you’ve bought him a gift’

Husband then says “I didn’t think we were buying for each other this year, so I haven’t bought you anything’…….

Wife and Husband then go to family or friends for Xmas lunch. Someone says to Husband, ‘what did you get for Xmas from your Wife? he replies ‘oh Wife got me some socks’

same person says to Wife, what did you get from your Husband’ and Wife then proceeds to say ‘He didn't get me anything’ which makes Husband look like an utter arse, as you’ve gifted him something, and he’s not got you anything in return’.
Husband then says ‘I didn’t get you anything as you told me we weren’t buying for each other this year and to just focus on the kids’ he also then goes onto say to the other person in front of you. ‘Did you buy your Wife that watch/bag/whatever, you were telling me you were thinking of getting her?’ Which then pisses you off even more, that’s he’s been helping one of his mates out and giving advice on what his mate should buy his wife for Xmas, but didn’t think to buy you anything, because he was told not to get anything as you weren’t buying for each other this year….
Wife then gets even more peeved off as she’s thinking ‘I know I said that, but I didn’t really expect him to not buy me anything’….so straight away it’s a conflict that’s been caused by Wife confusing husband by giving him mixed messages, but in reality, Wife is expecting him to think outside the box and do something for her without him having to be given a clear instruction.
Animosity then builds up during the day, Wife is getting fed up of being asked by everyone what she got for Xmas from Husband, whilst she has to listen to all the other women saying ‘oh my husband bought me this, and I got that’ which fuels ever more anger!

So in a nutshell, what I’m trying to say is. We don’t always help ourselves, as sometimes we just expect men to read our minds. They can’t do that as they don’t think the same way we do and their brains are like peanuts!

What you need to do is say ‘right, you know you’ve given your Nephew advice about getting up in the morning and letting his wife have a lie in? It would be really appreciated if you could do that for me…..Saturday/Sunday….whatever day, then get him to agree.
So the days leading up to the Saturday or whatever day it is, you keep reinforcing the message by saying ‘oh I can’t wait for my lie in on Saturday, when you can bring me tea in bed, and sort the kids out’….this way it’s in the front of his mind, he’s got something to aim for, his teeny tiny little brain can them prepare himself for it!!
Then on the Friday night, say to him have you set the alarm for the morning’ so again, he’s getting positive reinforcement…..then hopefully he will do it!
That way, your setting out your expectations in advance, you’ve both got a clear objective in your heads of what your doing on Saturday morning, he will then feel like he’s the first man in the world to ever get up and make you tea and give you a lie in. (Trust me, men will tell everyone this one time they did this and look for constant validation from everyone, as they always play up to it!)
You get to relax a bit. Even if you’re awake, watch a bit of TV, read a book, flick through your phone….whatever you do to relax.
make sure the kids know that’s Dads in charge today, so they can perhaps join in and make you tea and toast in bed, but then leave you to have your chill out time.

That way, you get your rest, Hubby feels great for making you happy, Dad gets to spend time with the kids, and does all the running around, so hopefully then recognises what your days are like. He appreciates you more and there is limited acrimony and anger as you’ve all got the outcome you wanted from it.

if all that fails & he still doesn’t get the hint of message, then divorce the pig and find someone who does appreciate you more!!! 😜

Dawevi · 17/11/2024 08:36

BelleSauvage9 · 10/11/2024 01:13

It seemed like the quickest and easiest way of saying my partner sister's son 🤷‍♀️ did you understand which family member I was referring to? Yes? Great, that was my intention 🙄

I didn't. It would have helped if you'd used the hyphens and apostrophe needed: nephew-in-law's partner

Although I don't think nephew-in-law is a thing and I still have to think about it to understand.

I think I'd have gone with "my nephew's partner" because the fact it's on your partner's side isn't relevant to the story.

ANYWAY YANBU it's very hurtful and I would be calling him out on it and having a discussion, but I do think you need to wake him up and stop being a martyr as well. He can't help not waking up, just like you can't help the fact that you do. At least you'd get time in bed.

Travellingheavily · 17/11/2024 08:53

So if you’re a SAHM, the role is 24/7 according to some posters. No sick pay (dick pay maybe), no minimum wage, no holidays. Wow. Glad I never got the memo when mine were little.

One up, all up was our rule. Equal lie ins, equal money. Team sport of marriage.

BelleSauvage9 · 17/11/2024 09:18

Well today is my birthday and I did not get a lie in. Dp had set an alarm (I didn't ask him to), made a very half hearted attempted to get up with dc3 (he's a clingy one, was crying for mummy and they didn't make it beyond the landing). He absolutely would've calmed if dp had gone downstairs and engaged him but yeah, he didn't try to. Yes I could have insisted but I just don't have the energy for a battle about it. And sure people think I'm being a martyr and maybe I am but I don't even care, I'll just prove to myself that I can do it all alone because maybe at some point I'm going to have to.

Dp got up about an hour later, came downstairs like nothing was wrong, then asked me why I was grumpy. I said I thought it would be pretty obvious given our argument last week. He tried to defend himself saying he tried and is now pissed off with me because I was bothered by it and has taken himself back to bed. Didn't wish me a happy birthday at any point either. Just to be clear, I didn't have a go at him, I wasn't argumentative or even saying things in a shitty tone, I was very matter of fact about it and even somewhat lighthearted so his getting annoyed with me is not because I attacked him or anything like that.

I'm not sure it's worth saying much more, I think he's just a dick who doesn't care about me 🤷‍♀️

Everyone is right that I just need to wake him and hold my ground and assert my own worth, but the point was that I feel like (at least sometimes) I shouldn't have to and he should make an effort to show appreciation. Because it's not demonstrating appreciation to be MADE to do something is it.

Anyway, I won't keep going on. Thanks for responses I appreciate them, even the ones that don't agree with me - it's given me some food for thought and I have considered the things people have said.

OP posts:
Flowerrrr · 17/11/2024 09:21

Sorry to hear that OP, it sounds depressingly similar to my ex. You're right, if he can't even bother on your birthday and them when you talk about it gets defensive and strops then I agree it's not worth the emotional energy. Time to accept he won't change, you need to decide what your red lines are for leaving.

Happy birthday!

helgel · 17/11/2024 09:31

What has he done for your birthday OP?

Happy birthday anyway. 🎂🎈

annaspanner18 · 17/11/2024 09:37

Happy Birthday love. He's showed you who he is - try not to let him occupy any more of your headspace for today at least.

Hope you manage to have a nice day.

Mummsymummsy · 17/11/2024 09:59

Oh dear. That’s not nice of him.
Pleaee don’t take my last post of ‘advise’ as literal will you? I really do understand where you’re coming from, that’s why my ex is my ex!!
some people just don’t make good partners or parents.
Try and enjoy your birthday. Just keep thinking if nothing changes, then this time next year, you might be celebrating with someone who does acknowledge you and treats you with what you deserve. Maybe it’s time to lay your last set of cards on the table. Tell him if nothing changes by Xmas, you’ll be going into the NY with a very different agenda. Happy Birthday 🥳 🎂

Jesslovesengineering · 17/11/2024 10:12

BelleSauvage9 · 17/11/2024 09:18

Well today is my birthday and I did not get a lie in. Dp had set an alarm (I didn't ask him to), made a very half hearted attempted to get up with dc3 (he's a clingy one, was crying for mummy and they didn't make it beyond the landing). He absolutely would've calmed if dp had gone downstairs and engaged him but yeah, he didn't try to. Yes I could have insisted but I just don't have the energy for a battle about it. And sure people think I'm being a martyr and maybe I am but I don't even care, I'll just prove to myself that I can do it all alone because maybe at some point I'm going to have to.

Dp got up about an hour later, came downstairs like nothing was wrong, then asked me why I was grumpy. I said I thought it would be pretty obvious given our argument last week. He tried to defend himself saying he tried and is now pissed off with me because I was bothered by it and has taken himself back to bed. Didn't wish me a happy birthday at any point either. Just to be clear, I didn't have a go at him, I wasn't argumentative or even saying things in a shitty tone, I was very matter of fact about it and even somewhat lighthearted so his getting annoyed with me is not because I attacked him or anything like that.

I'm not sure it's worth saying much more, I think he's just a dick who doesn't care about me 🤷‍♀️

Everyone is right that I just need to wake him and hold my ground and assert my own worth, but the point was that I feel like (at least sometimes) I shouldn't have to and he should make an effort to show appreciation. Because it's not demonstrating appreciation to be MADE to do something is it.

Anyway, I won't keep going on. Thanks for responses I appreciate them, even the ones that don't agree with me - it's given me some food for thought and I have considered the things people have said.

Happy birthday. Sounds just like my ex. Attack is the best form of defence. He's invalidating, gaslighting and minimising your righteous feelings, to draw focus from his own shitty behaviour. Get rid. Find your people, trust your gut and hold your boundaries. May your next birthday be free of such fuc£ery.

Mekumeku · 17/11/2024 10:20

I'm sure he does love you and care about you but is just naturally selfish. I think everyone is right about you needing to assert yourself more. You are a team, not just there to please him. You are certainly not unreasonable to be upset.