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Neighbours complaining about occasional loud music

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Redavocados · 08/11/2024 21:11

Ok, its a neighbour one. No diagrams!

Name changed for this.

I live in a 2 bed house that is attached on one side. I am a very quiet person, I am single, usually live alone and am happy with silence and can spend days without putting music on. My DS who is late 20's moved back 3 months ago due to work, financial and MH / ND issues. He has had a terrible year and most of last winter he was suicidal having made some bad life decisions, and it was a huge struggle to get him any MH support. He is also very up and down in moods so sometimes I can talk to him about stuff and other times I just have to leave it several days otherwise he can blow up and shout and get angry. Then he is very apologetic and feels terrible afterwards. Needless to say, this is far from an ideal situation, but he is trying hard to sort himself out, engaging in therapy, taking antidepressants, has given up smoking and self-medicating, and is back in work.

Since he last lived here three years ago, I have new neighbours. A young couple, no kids, their first home. Previously had a good relationship with them.

DS has two hobbies, one is a fitness hobby and one is music / recording. When he is down he just sits quietly in his room watching content with headphones, but when he is in a good mood he sometimes sings and records. We both work from home, and the neighbours work from home.

About two months ago I was off work and out for the day and neighbour texted me as DS was playing music in the daytime (on his lunchbreak). I apologised to neighbours, spoke to son and explained that they work from home, so please don't play music in the day. He agreed and hasn't done it again. Then about three weeks ago he played music at 6.30/7pm on a Friday evening, for about 30 minutes. It was loud and bassy, I could hear it around the house, but it wasn't "party" loud, e.g. I could have put on the TV in the other room and still heard the TV over the music without needing to turn it up. As a person who enjoys peace and quiet I didn't love it but I could live with it. After 20 minutes neighbours texted and complained. I immediately asked son to turn it down, they said the bass was loud and that maybe if he turned the bass down it would be better, and could he wear headphones, so I asked him to turn the bass down in future. I also reminded him to wear headphones. I told them I had asked him to turn down bass and use headphones but I also pointed out to them that it was very early evening, after work time, it wasn't an unreasonable time to be playing music and it wasn't for very long (he goes to his fitness class at 7pm anyway).

Tonight, three weeks later he played music again, started at 6.15pm. The bass was less but he was singing loudly. No headphones, I assume because he needed to hear himself sing. I let it go as it was only for a short time and he hadn't played any music for three weeks. After 15 minutes the neighbours sent me a recording of it through their walls and said it is totally unreasonable that they can hear his music in their house. They claimed it had been an hour already.

They went on to say that they can hear him all day and evening. He coughs a lot as he has given up smoking - it drives me absolutely insane but there is nothing I can do besides remind him to use his inhaler and take cough medicine. And he has started closing doors loudly the last week and I have been waiting for him to get out of his latest low mood to ask him not to do that. They also said he bangs the adjoining wall all day - I know for a fact he doesn't because it is a small house and I have been home all week recovering from an operation, and I hear everything.

5 minutes after their first text he stopped playing anyway as he was going out. They are insisting that I am being unreasonable in allowing him to play music. I have explained (not that I should have to explain his personal situation but I did because we were previously on good terms) that he has been unwell and that music is one of the few things that he enjoys, so I am not going to stop him playing music out loud occasionally.

I have pushed back quite firmly that there are things that are annoying and I do get that and am sorry its annoying, but just because someone is annoying you doesn't mean they are actually being unreasonable, and that I don't think playing music once every 2-3 weeks at 6/7pm for 30-60 minutes at a time is unreasonable. I have also explained that it isn't forever, he is here for a year and the plan is that he will move out again next summer.

They are still maintaining - the pissy texts are still ongoing - that I am being inconsiderate and unreasonable and they should not have to hear any of his noise in their house.

I have never had any complaints from previous neighbours when he lived here before, once they just texted to ask if I was OK when they heard him shouting at me.

Am I being unreasonable in pushing back and expecting them to live with the music occasionally as its just early evening, for about half an hour once every few weeks?

OP posts:
MonkeyToHeaven · 08/11/2024 22:30

Healingsfall · 08/11/2024 22:05

Then when he gets his own, hopefully detached place, he can sing and play his music as loud as he wants. In the meantime his parents have neighbours who don't want to hear a 20 something man living temporarily with his patents excessive noise.

Being detached doesn't protect you from loud music, trust me. OP's son isn't being excessively noisy, it's at reasonable times and infrequent.

Goldenbear · 08/11/2024 22:33

Daphnise · 08/11/2024 21:25

Your son is the problem, not these neighbours.
Why not get him to move out?

Listening to music without headphones is a perfectly acceptable thing to do especially during sensible hours and for not too long a period - life is about give and take and compromise and tolerance I'm afraid- the son has done nothing wrong.

setmestraightplease · 08/11/2024 22:34

Contrary to many PPs here, I don't think your son is doing anything wrong or being inconsiderate .......

Your neighbours aren't doing anything wrong as such, but they seem to hate ANY noise whatsoever.

Wherever you live these days, you have to put up with a certain amount of noise.

Your son's not being noisy at anti- social times or for long periods of time.

You should perhaps calmly ignore your neighbours' complaints - I certainly wouldn't consider the amount of noise you've described for that amount of time to be unreasonable

Camelphat · 08/11/2024 22:35

Nah, the texting you is inappropriate. I once lived in a flat above a couple of guys who used to bang on their ceiling whenever my hifi went above a certain level. I dont doubt they could hear it but it didnt last long and it really used to piss me off especially as I had to listen to them shagging every once in a while.

Reugny · 08/11/2024 22:37

setmestraightplease · 08/11/2024 22:34

Contrary to many PPs here, I don't think your son is doing anything wrong or being inconsiderate .......

Your neighbours aren't doing anything wrong as such, but they seem to hate ANY noise whatsoever.

Wherever you live these days, you have to put up with a certain amount of noise.

Your son's not being noisy at anti- social times or for long periods of time.

You should perhaps calmly ignore your neighbours' complaints - I certainly wouldn't consider the amount of noise you've described for that amount of time to be unreasonable

Edited

We don't know how loud or/and bad the OP's son is.

People don't tend to complain if someone is a decent musician/singer unless they are playing in the middle of the night.

Goldenbear · 08/11/2024 22:38

Healingsfall · 08/11/2024 22:05

Then when he gets his own, hopefully detached place, he can sing and play his music as loud as he wants. In the meantime his parents have neighbours who don't want to hear a 20 something man living temporarily with his patents excessive noise.

Sorry but what?? since when have people come to expect and more significantly why do people think they are entitled to perfect conditions in absolutely every aspect of their life. You can't guarantee who your neighbours are going to be and no change will happen ever.

WhereIsBebèsChambre · 08/11/2024 22:38

Wonder if next thread about loud inconsiderate neighbours posters will jump on and tell the OP how ridiculous they are for being annoyed as being noisy is their neighbours right and how mean of them, it makes him feel better....

Catofthesouth · 08/11/2024 22:38

I live next door to a pub. They can swap with me, sounds like heaven x don’t let them bully you!

Goldenbear · 08/11/2024 22:39

Reugny · 08/11/2024 22:37

We don't know how loud or/and bad the OP's son is.

People don't tend to complain if someone is a decent musician/singer unless they are playing in the middle of the night.

So you can only play music if you're a professional musician?

SoNiceToComeHomeTo · 08/11/2024 22:39

It's a constant problem in semidetached and terraced houses, unless they have unusually good insulation.
If you can salvage the relationship with your neighbours, you might ask them for coffee and a chat about the noise of both the dog and the music. Are there times when they are both out during the week when some extra noise wouldn't disturb them? Could they stop the dogs barking or at least move them to a room not adjoining yours?
Neighbour disputes are horrible and have to be reported to any future buyers if you decide to move, so it's worth taking some trouble to avoid this escalating.

Redavocados · 08/11/2024 22:40

Notcontent · 08/11/2024 22:06

Bass in particular can be really intrusive. There is never any excuse for exposing your neighbours to your music choices.

I agree with you on the bass but it's that it feels like moving goalposts.

The first time they said they didn't want music in the day as they were working. So he didn't play in the day again.

The second time, early evening they said it was the bass. So next time (today) he kept the bass down.

The third time (today), they said it was any music they could hear, and sent me a recording of him singing.

And also complained about hearing him get up in the mornings, coughing (he coughs a lot) and generally going about his life.

But most of the day he is in his room working and most evenings he is just quietly in his room listening with headphones.

I am also stressed out of my head with his ups and downs, my own PTSD, having had an operation, work stress and financial worries from supporting him through the last year (when he was laid off and UC didn't even cover 75% of his rent let alone his food and bills), and living with him (difficult at the best of times).

Frankly, I am doing my best to under difficult circumstances, trying to choose my battles to win the war (the war being that he gets his life under control and better emotional regulation so he can move out in a sustainable way and have a stable life) and I don't need the neighbours piling extra stress on.

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Sweetnessandbite · 08/11/2024 22:41

I think people are unreasonable to not expect any day to day noise. Listening to music without headphone so rarely is not a violation of noise control. Especially at the times you state.

I have realised that some neighbours moan more when they realise you are receptive to their complaints. So you trying to be reasonable, which I would do too, has given them the green light to moan at every rare occasion he does it.

I would maybe try and be a bit more blunt next time. Saying that you appreciate they can hear the noise just as how you also hear their noise, including the dog barking, and that as neighbours these things happen and that you are glad that neither you or them are taking the piss noise wise. Or comment more about the walls being so thin etc. Like you both mutually hear each other's noises. I would probably go further and joke how they were very fortunate while you were living alone as you were extremely quiet even though you could still hear their noises.

Goldenbear · 08/11/2024 22:42

WhereIsBebèsChambre · 08/11/2024 22:38

Wonder if next thread about loud inconsiderate neighbours posters will jump on and tell the OP how ridiculous they are for being annoyed as being noisy is their neighbours right and how mean of them, it makes him feel better....

But you are thinking in extremes there how do you arrive at the rational of someone who plays a bit of music presumably to relax in the evening before he goes out as akin to asserting a right to be noisy- literally nobody is suggesting that. A civilised society does require compromise and tolerance.

Catofthesouth · 08/11/2024 22:42

The person who raises the dispute is the one who has to mention it. So let them have a go via environmental health.

WhereIsBebèsChambre · 08/11/2024 22:42

Goldenbear · 08/11/2024 22:39

So you can only play music if you're a professional musician?

@Reugny didn't say professional they put 'decent'.

Healingsfall · 08/11/2024 22:42

Goldenbear · 08/11/2024 22:38

Sorry but what?? since when have people come to expect and more significantly why do people think they are entitled to perfect conditions in absolutely every aspect of their life. You can't guarantee who your neighbours are going to be and no change will happen ever.

Normal living noise yes, loud music, singing no. It should be the norm that if people who want to play loud music and/or sing loud be the exception so should make the effort to live where they don't disturb people at extra cost. Those who just want a peaceful life with Normal living noises should not have to pay a premium to do so.

Redavocados · 08/11/2024 22:43

Jessie1259 · 08/11/2024 21:28

Could you swap rooms so he is not sharing a wall with them?

Unfortunately not, the bedrooms and living room are adjoining. The other side is just stairs and bathroom.

OP posts:
Tel12 · 08/11/2024 22:45

Other people's music is annoying. Once you've been irritated you are just waiting for it to happen again. You shouldn't allow your son to disturb your neighbours peace. Perhaps it's time he moved out if he cannot reduce his noise levels.

Goldenbear · 08/11/2024 22:45

WhereIsBebèsChambre · 08/11/2024 22:42

@Reugny didn't say professional they put 'decent'.

Ok, 'decent', why do you have to be a musician? Can't you just play music, it's irrelevant what the neighbours think about the quality and taste on music, that has nothing to do with this issue.

WhereIsBebèsChambre · 08/11/2024 22:46

@Redavocados why doesn't he want to wear headphones? Or is it his need to sing loudly?

PuppyMonkey · 08/11/2024 22:46

I mean, just sing loudly. That would be a start.

Redavocados · 08/11/2024 22:47

gamerchick · 08/11/2024 21:23

You could always sound proof his room. I'm sure there's a load of stuff available now. It's not all egg boxes.

I have looked into it, it's unaffordable at the moment but an option for the future, but by the time it's affordable he will be about to move back out anyway.

OP posts:
Moonlightstars · 08/11/2024 22:47

@viques no it wasn't why headphones were invented.

SugarIsHardtoAvoid · 08/11/2024 22:47

You have to get them to like you. If they like you they don’t mind your noise. And vice versa. Work on the relationship is my strong advice. Don’t try to freeze them out or block them or anything silly like that. You’ve hurt their feelings already. Row back. Charm offensive.

Goldenbear · 08/11/2024 22:49

Tel12 · 08/11/2024 22:45

Other people's music is annoying. Once you've been irritated you are just waiting for it to happen again. You shouldn't allow your son to disturb your neighbours peace. Perhaps it's time he moved out if he cannot reduce his noise levels.

But their dog is disturbing her peace, reality is, housing rarely affords peace 24hrs and their expectation is unreasonable. Who is in the house and him moving out has zero to do with the neighbours, I can't imagine having such a huge sense of entitlement that I would think I could determine when my neighbour's offspring moved out.