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Neighbours complaining about occasional loud music

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Redavocados · 08/11/2024 21:11

Ok, its a neighbour one. No diagrams!

Name changed for this.

I live in a 2 bed house that is attached on one side. I am a very quiet person, I am single, usually live alone and am happy with silence and can spend days without putting music on. My DS who is late 20's moved back 3 months ago due to work, financial and MH / ND issues. He has had a terrible year and most of last winter he was suicidal having made some bad life decisions, and it was a huge struggle to get him any MH support. He is also very up and down in moods so sometimes I can talk to him about stuff and other times I just have to leave it several days otherwise he can blow up and shout and get angry. Then he is very apologetic and feels terrible afterwards. Needless to say, this is far from an ideal situation, but he is trying hard to sort himself out, engaging in therapy, taking antidepressants, has given up smoking and self-medicating, and is back in work.

Since he last lived here three years ago, I have new neighbours. A young couple, no kids, their first home. Previously had a good relationship with them.

DS has two hobbies, one is a fitness hobby and one is music / recording. When he is down he just sits quietly in his room watching content with headphones, but when he is in a good mood he sometimes sings and records. We both work from home, and the neighbours work from home.

About two months ago I was off work and out for the day and neighbour texted me as DS was playing music in the daytime (on his lunchbreak). I apologised to neighbours, spoke to son and explained that they work from home, so please don't play music in the day. He agreed and hasn't done it again. Then about three weeks ago he played music at 6.30/7pm on a Friday evening, for about 30 minutes. It was loud and bassy, I could hear it around the house, but it wasn't "party" loud, e.g. I could have put on the TV in the other room and still heard the TV over the music without needing to turn it up. As a person who enjoys peace and quiet I didn't love it but I could live with it. After 20 minutes neighbours texted and complained. I immediately asked son to turn it down, they said the bass was loud and that maybe if he turned the bass down it would be better, and could he wear headphones, so I asked him to turn the bass down in future. I also reminded him to wear headphones. I told them I had asked him to turn down bass and use headphones but I also pointed out to them that it was very early evening, after work time, it wasn't an unreasonable time to be playing music and it wasn't for very long (he goes to his fitness class at 7pm anyway).

Tonight, three weeks later he played music again, started at 6.15pm. The bass was less but he was singing loudly. No headphones, I assume because he needed to hear himself sing. I let it go as it was only for a short time and he hadn't played any music for three weeks. After 15 minutes the neighbours sent me a recording of it through their walls and said it is totally unreasonable that they can hear his music in their house. They claimed it had been an hour already.

They went on to say that they can hear him all day and evening. He coughs a lot as he has given up smoking - it drives me absolutely insane but there is nothing I can do besides remind him to use his inhaler and take cough medicine. And he has started closing doors loudly the last week and I have been waiting for him to get out of his latest low mood to ask him not to do that. They also said he bangs the adjoining wall all day - I know for a fact he doesn't because it is a small house and I have been home all week recovering from an operation, and I hear everything.

5 minutes after their first text he stopped playing anyway as he was going out. They are insisting that I am being unreasonable in allowing him to play music. I have explained (not that I should have to explain his personal situation but I did because we were previously on good terms) that he has been unwell and that music is one of the few things that he enjoys, so I am not going to stop him playing music out loud occasionally.

I have pushed back quite firmly that there are things that are annoying and I do get that and am sorry its annoying, but just because someone is annoying you doesn't mean they are actually being unreasonable, and that I don't think playing music once every 2-3 weeks at 6/7pm for 30-60 minutes at a time is unreasonable. I have also explained that it isn't forever, he is here for a year and the plan is that he will move out again next summer.

They are still maintaining - the pissy texts are still ongoing - that I am being inconsiderate and unreasonable and they should not have to hear any of his noise in their house.

I have never had any complaints from previous neighbours when he lived here before, once they just texted to ask if I was OK when they heard him shouting at me.

Am I being unreasonable in pushing back and expecting them to live with the music occasionally as its just early evening, for about half an hour once every few weeks?

OP posts:
Livelovebehappy · 09/11/2024 13:04

Goldenbear · 09/11/2024 09:55

Playing music in your home 'is' allowed if you are in the UK; it is simply not the case that 'everyday' noise is the only noise you can make. Maybe it depends on where you live but dogs barking for hours on end is on a par with loud music to be investigated by my City Council. So are the neighbours 'selfish' 'spoilt' to expect the OP to put up with the barking dog. It is completely anti-social and hours of it worse than some music for half an hour.

The barking dog allegation is a red herring. Mentioned in just the one post after the initial one. I don’t believe they have a dog, and was just something added to get more people onside, because it would definitely be something you’d include in your opening post, because it’s relevant.

Bfmamma · 09/11/2024 13:35

Sorry, I agree with the neighbours. Of course it's early but no one should have to listen to other people's noise. If they can hear his music, it's too loud.
Normal living noise - coughing, sneezing etc is obviously acceptable and they can't complain about that but expecting them to be ok with deliberate noise is selfish.

SleepToad · 09/11/2024 13:42

Daphnise · 08/11/2024 21:25

Your son is the problem, not these neighbours.
Why not get him to move out?

What kick her son out? Have you not read the op? So my next door neighbour is 70+ and in an Irish/wurzils band. Every few weeks they practice at his home....shall I ask him to move out?

Tell them your sorry they don't like the music, but he's playing at reasonable times so he doesn't interrupt their work and that he's not playing excessively loudly so sorry but he's going to continue to do so

SoupDragon · 09/11/2024 13:51

Livelovebehappy · 09/11/2024 13:04

The barking dog allegation is a red herring. Mentioned in just the one post after the initial one. I don’t believe they have a dog, and was just something added to get more people onside, because it would definitely be something you’d include in your opening post, because it’s relevant.

Don't be ridiculous.

Blueuggboots · 10/11/2024 09:37

Stop pandering to them!! They're being ridiculous. Early evening noise in a semi is to be expected.
Don't like noise? Move to a detached house!

Redavocados · 11/11/2024 15:54

Vettrianofan · 09/11/2024 12:31

Tbh, the son is turning it down from 11pm. If that is the case, just accept for what it is. There has to he compromise here (unlike my NDNs who just carried on till 2am not giving a flying fuck that we were up early next day, weekend or not). Selfish c*nts.

He is only playing from around 6 to 6.45pm, after work and before he goes out to his fitness class. It's nowhere near as late as 11!!

OP posts:
Redavocados · 11/11/2024 16:03

SoupDragon · 09/11/2024 13:51

Don't be ridiculous.

I can confirm that the dog exists. Today for example I walked out of my front gate, it barked, I walked back in an hour later, it barked. The postman opens and closes every gate on the row, it barks each time.

It gets bored, it barks.

It is a red herring but only in as much as it is not the issue I posted about. I didn't post to complain about their dog.

I only mentioned it to illustrate that we live in attached houses and everyone hears some noise, that's part of life and surely there should be some give and take and we all have to screen some things out.

OP posts:
Necky1 · 11/11/2024 16:11

Because they work from home does not mean they can demand 24 hour silence, no more than you can.
I think you need to tell them they need a detached house in the middle of nowhere.
You won't have to listen to their annoying dog.
Time to mute their number.
If it was hours every day it is one thing.
It isn't.
They need to be muted, literally.
I hope both you and your son feel better soon.

Vettrianofan · 11/11/2024 16:56

Redavocados · 11/11/2024 15:54

He is only playing from around 6 to 6.45pm, after work and before he goes out to his fitness class. It's nowhere near as late as 11!!

Exactly. Your DS is being reasonable unlike my NDNs.

Purplewarrior · 11/11/2024 17:00

I would have blocked them ages ago…

Nanny0gg · 11/11/2024 17:04

U13579 · 08/11/2024 21:28

Yep, totally unacceptable for them to have to put up with this. How do you know it isn't making them mentally unwell having to listen to his noise?
Home should be a safe place where you are not disturbed by others.

That is not possible in semis or terraces

How would they cope if the OP had a baby?

Reugny · 11/11/2024 17:11

Redavocados · 11/11/2024 16:03

I can confirm that the dog exists. Today for example I walked out of my front gate, it barked, I walked back in an hour later, it barked. The postman opens and closes every gate on the row, it barks each time.

It gets bored, it barks.

It is a red herring but only in as much as it is not the issue I posted about. I didn't post to complain about their dog.

I only mentioned it to illustrate that we live in attached houses and everyone hears some noise, that's part of life and surely there should be some give and take and we all have to screen some things out.

It's a bad example as if their dog's barking distressed you so much then you would have reported it to them.

One of my neighbours had a dog that barked every time someone went near their window, depending what room it was in, and sometimes the door if she had access to the hall. However the main issue was that she howled and barked like she was in absolute distress if left alone for more than half an hour.

I told the neighbour how her dog howled and the owner put a lot of effort in ensuring the dog wasn't left alone. In the end she got the dog a cat - well more than one as the first one died. The current cat has outlived the dog.

Reugny · 11/11/2024 17:15

Nanny0gg · 11/11/2024 17:04

That is not possible in semis or terraces

How would they cope if the OP had a baby?

They wouldn't be able to do anything.

They could complain but they would be told to go away. Once the childcare was a toddler or older as long as the child was in childcare then school age at school when expected their complaints would go no where.

Lostintranslation16 · 11/11/2024 17:29

I would say the bass is probably the issue, it travels horribly and is impossible to ignore. My neighbours play music often and while I can’t hear it, I can hear their bass throughout my entire house as a dull thudding. It drives me insane and can be heard over TV etc. Would turning that down be possible as a compromise?

RoachFish · 11/11/2024 17:50

Nanny0gg · 11/11/2024 17:04

That is not possible in semis or terraces

How would they cope if the OP had a baby?

There is a huge difference between normal every day noises like a washing machine or a baby crying to a grown man blasting music or singing so loud that you can hear and record it from the house next door. It’s inconsiderate and antisocial to put your neighbours through that. Even if it’s just for an hour here and there, the neighbours have no idea when it will happen or for how long. I would absolutely hate living next door to OPs son and she too admits it’s not nice.

Elizo · 11/11/2024 17:56

They are being unfair. If you are in a semi/ terrace you will get some noise. If it was regularly in the middle of the night then no. But what you describe sounds ok to me. I don’t think they would get far with a complaint. I would close the dialogue down.

Reugny · 11/11/2024 18:28

Redavocados · 11/11/2024 15:54

He is only playing from around 6 to 6.45pm, after work and before he goes out to his fitness class. It's nowhere near as late as 11!!

So you also work from home?

If you don't then they would easily be able to prove that your son is being a nuisance when you are out.

One of my other neighbours had a child who used to play loud music but only when he was out. It made me laugh as all the teenagers I've lived around in the past decade have been goody two shoes. There as some of the undergraduate uni students have been nightmares. The only good thing is they move out every year.

another1bitestheduck · 11/11/2024 18:55

nadine90 · 08/11/2024 21:17

If they wanted silence, they should have bought a detached house in the sticks. Tell them to stop harassing you and block them.

I actually agree that OP isn't being unreasonable in this case (apart from maybe the door slamming - if her DS is so on edge that she can't even calmly raise this until his mood changes he's highly unlikely to be well enough to live alone in the near future) but people always make this stupid comment on these threads.

It's not like most people buy terraced/flats for shits and giggles. Detached houses are the rarest, most expensive, and usually biggest (so not ideal for first time buyers of only 2 people) types of housing stock - it's not like people could buy them but choose not to to be contrary, they usually just buy what's available and affordable.

Redavocados · 11/11/2024 19:32

"So you also work from home?"

Yes, I work from home. So does my son. And last week I was home even more as I was recovering from an operation so wasn't even going out for a walk at lunchtime.

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Rolothecat · 11/11/2024 19:38

Don’t reply to them next time, as long as it’s not all day every day then just let him play occasionally at sociable hours. I had awful neighbours who played music from 10pm till 4am Thursday to Sunday and it made me so anxious, eventually got environmental health and housing involved and it stopped. I explained I had no issue early evening. If it was on day much as it would be loud I’d have let it go.

LakieLady · 11/11/2024 22:17

I don't think YABU, OP. The noise is infrequent and not at unsocial hours and doesn't sound at all excessive. Singing and playing music are perfectly reasonable things to do as long as it's not excessively loud, late at night or early in the morning.

Imo, people who can't afford to live in detached homes have to accept a certain amount of neighbour noise. I put up with my neighbours' dogs barking, them running their washing machine during the early hours of the morning, and their GCs running up and down the stairs repeatedly for hours at weekends, making a racket comparable to a herd of elephants.

My other neighbour has complained about the noise my new boiler makes when it starts up in the morning, and our houses are separated by 9' of driveway. She's also had a moan about me showering at 6am, because the noise of the water running disturbs her.

Modern houses are crap for sound insulation imo. A friend in a new build reckons she can hear her neighbour undoing zips when dressing/undressing! Mine's bad enough, and it's almost 80 years old. Your NDNs are BU imo.

marmamumma · 16/11/2024 00:34

Goldenbear · 09/11/2024 09:55

Playing music in your home 'is' allowed if you are in the UK; it is simply not the case that 'everyday' noise is the only noise you can make. Maybe it depends on where you live but dogs barking for hours on end is on a par with loud music to be investigated by my City Council. So are the neighbours 'selfish' 'spoilt' to expect the OP to put up with the barking dog. It is completely anti-social and hours of it worse than some music for half an hour.

I'm flabbergasted! ( hope I spelt that right). You can't SING in your own home? That can't be right. I sing all the time, albeit not very well . Or are we talking a microphone and massive speaker?

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