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Neighbours complaining about occasional loud music

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Redavocados · 08/11/2024 21:11

Ok, its a neighbour one. No diagrams!

Name changed for this.

I live in a 2 bed house that is attached on one side. I am a very quiet person, I am single, usually live alone and am happy with silence and can spend days without putting music on. My DS who is late 20's moved back 3 months ago due to work, financial and MH / ND issues. He has had a terrible year and most of last winter he was suicidal having made some bad life decisions, and it was a huge struggle to get him any MH support. He is also very up and down in moods so sometimes I can talk to him about stuff and other times I just have to leave it several days otherwise he can blow up and shout and get angry. Then he is very apologetic and feels terrible afterwards. Needless to say, this is far from an ideal situation, but he is trying hard to sort himself out, engaging in therapy, taking antidepressants, has given up smoking and self-medicating, and is back in work.

Since he last lived here three years ago, I have new neighbours. A young couple, no kids, their first home. Previously had a good relationship with them.

DS has two hobbies, one is a fitness hobby and one is music / recording. When he is down he just sits quietly in his room watching content with headphones, but when he is in a good mood he sometimes sings and records. We both work from home, and the neighbours work from home.

About two months ago I was off work and out for the day and neighbour texted me as DS was playing music in the daytime (on his lunchbreak). I apologised to neighbours, spoke to son and explained that they work from home, so please don't play music in the day. He agreed and hasn't done it again. Then about three weeks ago he played music at 6.30/7pm on a Friday evening, for about 30 minutes. It was loud and bassy, I could hear it around the house, but it wasn't "party" loud, e.g. I could have put on the TV in the other room and still heard the TV over the music without needing to turn it up. As a person who enjoys peace and quiet I didn't love it but I could live with it. After 20 minutes neighbours texted and complained. I immediately asked son to turn it down, they said the bass was loud and that maybe if he turned the bass down it would be better, and could he wear headphones, so I asked him to turn the bass down in future. I also reminded him to wear headphones. I told them I had asked him to turn down bass and use headphones but I also pointed out to them that it was very early evening, after work time, it wasn't an unreasonable time to be playing music and it wasn't for very long (he goes to his fitness class at 7pm anyway).

Tonight, three weeks later he played music again, started at 6.15pm. The bass was less but he was singing loudly. No headphones, I assume because he needed to hear himself sing. I let it go as it was only for a short time and he hadn't played any music for three weeks. After 15 minutes the neighbours sent me a recording of it through their walls and said it is totally unreasonable that they can hear his music in their house. They claimed it had been an hour already.

They went on to say that they can hear him all day and evening. He coughs a lot as he has given up smoking - it drives me absolutely insane but there is nothing I can do besides remind him to use his inhaler and take cough medicine. And he has started closing doors loudly the last week and I have been waiting for him to get out of his latest low mood to ask him not to do that. They also said he bangs the adjoining wall all day - I know for a fact he doesn't because it is a small house and I have been home all week recovering from an operation, and I hear everything.

5 minutes after their first text he stopped playing anyway as he was going out. They are insisting that I am being unreasonable in allowing him to play music. I have explained (not that I should have to explain his personal situation but I did because we were previously on good terms) that he has been unwell and that music is one of the few things that he enjoys, so I am not going to stop him playing music out loud occasionally.

I have pushed back quite firmly that there are things that are annoying and I do get that and am sorry its annoying, but just because someone is annoying you doesn't mean they are actually being unreasonable, and that I don't think playing music once every 2-3 weeks at 6/7pm for 30-60 minutes at a time is unreasonable. I have also explained that it isn't forever, he is here for a year and the plan is that he will move out again next summer.

They are still maintaining - the pissy texts are still ongoing - that I am being inconsiderate and unreasonable and they should not have to hear any of his noise in their house.

I have never had any complaints from previous neighbours when he lived here before, once they just texted to ask if I was OK when they heard him shouting at me.

Am I being unreasonable in pushing back and expecting them to live with the music occasionally as its just early evening, for about half an hour once every few weeks?

OP posts:
Crocadoodledoo · 08/11/2024 21:59

Complain about the dog next time they raise anything

Redavocados · 08/11/2024 22:00

Daphnise · 08/11/2024 21:25

Your son is the problem, not these neighbours.
Why not get him to move out?

He will, when he has got himself out of his financial hole, which will be next summer.

OP posts:
Tbry24 · 08/11/2024 22:00

Redavocados · 08/11/2024 21:54

@womblewife

Well for the past two years I have had to listen to their dog bark every time they go out, I don't like it, to me a barking dog is like fingernails on blackboards.

But it's not unreasonable of them to leave their dog home alone for 3-4 hours once or twice a week, so it's a 'me' problem and I put on headphones when it's getting to me, and put up with it.

The music has been three times, the rest of the complaints are about him going about his daily life - no, he doesn't move around quietly, but before that when it was just me I was basically silent, I didn't even close doors in the house. So they got used to silence.

Start making a little noise yourself as well in that case. They have got used to complete silence whilst you have had to put up with a barking dog plus any other noise they make. You should be able to close doors in your own home, listen to the radio , washing machine on, tv on etc without anyone else commenting.

plus any time they start complaining put something on louder….ie the vacuum for half an hour.

I’ve had really inconsiderate noisy neighbours over the years and your son playing a little music or shutting a door is honestly nothing in comparison.

Tbry24 · 08/11/2024 22:01

Crocadoodledoo · 08/11/2024 21:59

Complain about the dog next time they raise anything

Exactly

Rubybetsie · 08/11/2024 22:03

DawnBreaks · 08/11/2024 21:24

I don't want to listen to my neighbours crappy music EVER! Use headphones or just turn it down. Why does it need to be so loud that everyone can hear it? These days there isn't really any excuse for disturbing anyone else. But I know I'm probably in the minority, as people these days just don't seem to have any thought or respect for anyone else other than themselves. (Yes I have a shit neighbour who annoys me constantly!)

Totally agree with this!

Reugny · 08/11/2024 22:04

Well for the past two years I have had to listen to their dog bark every time they go out, I don't like it, to me a barking dog is like fingernails on blackboards.

I hope you told them they were being cruel to their dog for leaving it home alone when it can't cope.

However it is not tit for tat.

Part of the issue is they brought the house with a quiet neighbour (you) next door then a man child (your son) turns up.

Unfortunately his playing of music with a heavy bass as really set them on edge so any noise either of you make, even if it's normal household noise, causes them to complain.

I am currently having an issue with a neighbour who has basically threatened my 6 year old DD because she is noisy and has responded by causing a noise nuisance themselves. The reason being is I was quiet for years and now I'm not.

Redavocados · 08/11/2024 22:05

IdgieThreadgoodeIsMyHeroine · 08/11/2024 21:35

You and your son needs to learn that mental health issues are not an excuse for being inconsiderate. He can wear headphones like the rest of us manage to.

I agree, and 99% of the time he does. It's been 3 times in 2 months that he hasn't, for 30 minutes at a time, once in the day and twice very early evening. The main thing tonight from the recording they sent wasn't music, but him singing.

But they are also complaining that they hear him moving around the house, getting up in the morning, and coughing etc.

I was basically silent, never even closed an internal door when here alone, so they aren't used to any noise.

OP posts:
Healingsfall · 08/11/2024 22:05

Redavocados · 08/11/2024 22:00

He will, when he has got himself out of his financial hole, which will be next summer.

Then when he gets his own, hopefully detached place, he can sing and play his music as loud as he wants. In the meantime his parents have neighbours who don't want to hear a 20 something man living temporarily with his patents excessive noise.

Notcontent · 08/11/2024 22:06

Bass in particular can be really intrusive. There is never any excuse for exposing your neighbours to your music choices.

Reugny · 08/11/2024 22:08

Redavocados · 08/11/2024 22:00

He will, when he has got himself out of his financial hole, which will be next summer.

Tell them to leave you a lone and stop texting you.

Say if they have an issue they need to speak directly to your son as he's an adult.

Your son can then "choose" to refuse to speak to them as any adult can do or not be around.

SummerSnowstorm · 08/11/2024 22:11

TunnocksOrDeath · 08/11/2024 21:24

Maybe one of them also has stress / mental health issues that are being exacerbated by the loud and unpredictable noise coming through their walls?

2 times for half an hour 3 weeks apart?
Maybe OP is getting anxiety from their constant complaints and exaggerations.

putitdown356 · 08/11/2024 22:12

I think that your neighbours are being a bit unreasonable, music for 30/40 mins once a month during the day or early evening is not a big deal. As for doors and coughing that is normal living noise, nobody can be expected to creep around their own house.

Loud music every night or after 7/8 pm is different, what if they lived next door to a drummer/family of 5 etc

Reugny · 08/11/2024 22:13

Notcontent · 08/11/2024 22:06

Bass in particular can be really intrusive. There is never any excuse for exposing your neighbours to your music choices.

I don't know.

When I was a younger adult I had two neighbours ain completely different places I told to either turn their music up or down.

I could tolerate and actually liked some of their music. I just didn't like the thump thump of it when I couldn't hear it properly.

On those occasions they turned it down but they both learnt not to play it at an annoying in between volume.

TH1NG1E · 08/11/2024 22:14

If he can be heard on a recording through their walls he is taking the piss. No one needs to hear that shit.

Spinning444 · 08/11/2024 22:16

Your neighbours can't have it all ways . If your son is only playing loud music every so often . Then why can't they appreciate all the times it is quite . They can't expect silence.

I also don't agree that people listening to music should have to wear headphones all the time. I hate them and sometimes family/friends want to listen to music at a group. Also why is it all on the side of the person who wants to live it silence. That person probably gets silence 90% of the time. But yet no one can listen to music unless it's stuck on their ears.

LadyTiredWinterBottom2 · 08/11/2024 22:16

Reugny · 08/11/2024 22:04

Well for the past two years I have had to listen to their dog bark every time they go out, I don't like it, to me a barking dog is like fingernails on blackboards.

I hope you told them they were being cruel to their dog for leaving it home alone when it can't cope.

However it is not tit for tat.

Part of the issue is they brought the house with a quiet neighbour (you) next door then a man child (your son) turns up.

Unfortunately his playing of music with a heavy bass as really set them on edge so any noise either of you make, even if it's normal household noise, causes them to complain.

I am currently having an issue with a neighbour who has basically threatened my 6 year old DD because she is noisy and has responded by causing a noise nuisance themselves. The reason being is I was quiet for years and now I'm not.

Maybe they were used to quiet but she can have whoever she likes living with her. It's none of their business. They would like it events if she moved and a really noisy family move in.

My friend is in a similar position, new build, neighbours keep complaining about noise. They don't care about their new born making loads of noise when she wants to relax.

WhereIsBebèsChambre · 08/11/2024 22:17

IdgieThreadgoodeIsMyHeroine · 08/11/2024 21:35

You and your son needs to learn that mental health issues are not an excuse for being inconsiderate. He can wear headphones like the rest of us manage to.

This, the arrogance these days of "I've decided this is best for me, fuck everyone else" is exhausting.

Reugny · 08/11/2024 22:18

putitdown356 · 08/11/2024 22:12

I think that your neighbours are being a bit unreasonable, music for 30/40 mins once a month during the day or early evening is not a big deal. As for doors and coughing that is normal living noise, nobody can be expected to creep around their own house.

Loud music every night or after 7/8 pm is different, what if they lived next door to a drummer/family of 5 etc

One of my nephews is a drummer (he also plays a couple of other instruments to professional level ) and I lived next to a different one for about 18 months.

My nephew's neighbours didn't complain about him and I didn't complain about my neighbour.

My neighbour was a good musician. I quickly learnt if I was in at certain times I would get to hear him practice.

ImTheOnlyUpsyOne · 08/11/2024 22:20

They are annoying. Hopefully they'll move if it's such a huge issue.

JC03745 · 08/11/2024 22:23

What MH support has your son been receiving? This would be my first concern if he is having such lows and highs! Does he work? Is he out during the day?

Some councils have a noise complaints line to log dogs barking for extended periods. Start a noise diary on them.

Although what you have described is noise during the day/evening, and technically not unreasonable, it would drive me absolutely nuts having to listen to a man singing loudly enough to be heard! The walls must be paper thin though if they can hear him coughing and singing well enough to send a recording to you!

Sorry, but just because he has MH issues, isn't an excuse to inflict his singing and music on others. Equally, someone's dog barking all day would also drive me nuts. Get door closers so they close slowly- at least on his bedroom door or the ones that sounds like its slamming shut. Turn the base down and consider noise reduction in his bedroom- plus report their dog.

putitdown356 · 08/11/2024 22:24

@Reugny yes exactly, its a normal hobby/profession.

As long as people don't make noise at 3 am etc then live and let live is my attitude.

Obviously crying babies/kids is accepted! I used to live next door to a family and for a whole year the child woke up at least twice night, I used to lie in bed thinking thank god I don't have to get up.

Reugny · 08/11/2024 22:25

LadyTiredWinterBottom2 · 08/11/2024 22:16

Maybe they were used to quiet but she can have whoever she likes living with her. It's none of their business. They would like it events if she moved and a really noisy family move in.

My friend is in a similar position, new build, neighbours keep complaining about noise. They don't care about their new born making loads of noise when she wants to relax.

Children especially babies aren't a noise nuisance.

Maybe the OP needs to get anyone with 1 to 9 year olds she knows to visit her a few times a month. Some toddlers are especially good at screaming.

I reckon her neighbours would then stop complaining about her adult son.

I do know from other women whose adult sons moved back in briefly that men in their 20s can be a pain in the behind due to the amount of noise they cause and other issues.

Thecatspjymas · 08/11/2024 22:28

Sorry OP but it's really inconsiderate to expect your neighbours to listen to loud music through the wall. They too may have MH issues

MrTwatchester · 08/11/2024 22:29

There is nothing more annoying than bass coming through. I find it absolutely intolerable. Normal sounds, TV, coughing, even singing, fine, but bass drives me to insanity. I would move if it didn't stop.

WhereIsBebèsChambre · 08/11/2024 22:30

Reugny · 08/11/2024 22:25

Children especially babies aren't a noise nuisance.

Maybe the OP needs to get anyone with 1 to 9 year olds she knows to visit her a few times a month. Some toddlers are especially good at screaming.

I reckon her neighbours would then stop complaining about her adult son.

I do know from other women whose adult sons moved back in briefly that men in their 20s can be a pain in the behind due to the amount of noise they cause and other issues.

Well that's a shitty and arrogant way to further destroy any possible positive relationship.
But great way to make sure than neighbour dispute is recorded and cause fuck load of problems should op or neighbour want to sell.
But hey, a grown adult wants to make sure EVERYONE is disturbed by his warbling...🤷‍♀️