To cancel plans to visit USA.

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Given that Trump is elected.

They can move to a blue state and abort away to their hearts content.

I wouldn't go, not because of who the President is, but because I wouldn't feel safe there. The whole ethos of the USA gives me dangerous Wild West vibes. Also, if I fell ill, despite having good insurance, I'll have to sell my home to settle medical bills. It doesn't appeal.

Have you found any yet?

Totally agree. And during the campaign there was talk of mass deportations, silencing the opposition, improving gun rights, ending democracy ("you only have to vote once, and never again").

I won't be visiting the USA, same as I won't be visiting North Korea or Russia. I wouldn't feel safe.

I won’t go whilst he is in charge. It’s not safe for women. But then I haven’t booked a holiday there - when is yours OP?

YABVU and a bit of a drama llama. Sorry. If you don't wamt to go, don't. But cancelling ebcsuse of an election result is stupidity.

Been to the USA alot and my most recent visit was the only one where in some cities I felt uncomfortable...under a Biden administration.

Biden has floated through the last 4 years and left a broken desperate country. Harris wasn't likely to do much better. Food prices are insane there. Fuel is crazy (for usual USA prices). Lots of homelessness. People rightly or wrongly are blaming the people who ruled their country for the last 4 years. They want the "great" America back and there's a man who's promising this.

I don't like Trump but I can see why people voted for him.

I understand, I think it's unsafe because of gun crime and if you're a reproductive age woman. You could not know you're pregnant, it'd be an ectopic and you're left to die.

Nevermind the fact they elected a president that has raped, incited the insurrection, and has multiple financial misdemeanours.

I'm happy to skip if for five years.

That doesn't answer the question.

I dont know if trump being president means other states will now ban abortion also, or whether it will just be up to each state to decide and plenty will still retain abortions.

You wouldn't catch me there anyway.

I feel sorry for the people of Ukraine.
I feel sorry for the children who will continue to be shot dead in the schools, shopping malls and places of worship.
I feel sorry for anyone with a genuine sense of right and wrong.

Yes, definitely cancel.
I would, if I was you 👍

So they elected a rapist as president instead?

Nobody was forcing anyone to have an abortion. The argument was about choice.

Eh?

It will be up to each state to decide.

Many will retain abortions, but more women will undoubtedly die as a result of being unable to access them.

This is an insane take, and I'm as GC as they come. Safeguarding? You mean denied access to vital healthcare, resulting in higher rates of maternal death? Sounds super safe, well done.

This. As a woman I can't guarantee my safety in those countries.

YANBU. I am always wary of visiting death penalty states and authoritarian regimes in any case, but the election of a violent rapist with despotic aspirations would tip the balance for me. It's not safe enough to qualify as a holiday destination, especially for women and girls.

Go for it. The USA won’t care.

I'll be there this time next month. It's not stopping me.

Anyway it's only a few days en route to somewhere else. Looking forward to some winter sunshine and heat.

It would have been like me saying I'm not going to UK cos Boris Johnson is at the helm. (Well, it was covid that would have put a stop to that anyway).

Of course there are countries I'm staying well clear of if I wanted to go - I don't - like Yemen and Russia. That's just common sense.

What about all the pregnant women who gets sick/injured during pregnancy and are refused care because they happen to live in a state that has made abortions illegal and the doctors are too scared to help them? It's diabolical that anyone would want pregnant women to not get emergency care when they need it.

https://www.texastribune.org/2024/11/01/nevaeh-crain-death-texas-abortion-ban-emtala/

I did this during his first term. I have a holiday booked there next summer but thankfully all refundable.

We won’t be going now, don’t want to give the us economy a penny more than I have to. Tbh the gun laws put me off anyway regardless of who’s in power.

I didn't go during his last term and won't during this.

I certainly wouldn't go if I was pregnant. Other than that, I probably wouldn't be put off (or at least not any more than I was already, by the mad gun laws).

Totally weird. Our family are there. We will still go. As with brexit, in general day to day life won’t change. People are still people. The same people as before the election. Some of our extended family will have voted for trumps party too. They are not crazy, just similar to those who voted brexit and won over by arguments.

You do you. I cant think America will lose sleep over your decision, nor do I think you will base your final decision on what we think on here. I suspect you will still go, but ultimately the final decision rests with you.