To be so disappointed in people - Trump voters especially

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I feel absolutely stunned that despite all that has been said and done Trump is likely to get the chance to make the world burn a little faster.

I am afraid for a future so full of anger and hate.

Maybe we should bloody listen to the people that felt compelled to vote for Trump instead of sneering at them? What are they afraid of? What do they think Trump can do that Kamala cannot?

It’s very easy to act superior and look down on those with alternative views. It gets us nowhere.

No, it isn't best. What would have been best is if we had all backed Ukraine the second Russia invaded - well, actually, well before that, when they were testing the waters. That is all Russia (under Putin) will do - push, push, push. He won't stop until he is forced to stop. With Trump in power, we're all a significant step closer to another world war.

I don't believe Kamala lost entirely because she was a woman.

Me neither, but it's a good way for some to shut down sensible discussions about why she's not next into the white house.

She had 4 months of campaigning, Trump had 4 years.... i hope she stands again.

It'll be interesting to see how Trump gets on in the mid term elections, he cannot do the things he has promised to do, just as he couldn't in 2016/20, so will his supporters keep the faith?

One pundit was saying the Bidens comment that Trump supporters are "Garbage" made sure that Trump supporters came and voted.... too many gaffs, a great pity Biden hung on for so long, by the time he stood aside, the democrats had no time to pick anyone but Harris (who btw i think was their best hope)

Have you been on benefits? I have as a single parent and now I'm a high rate tax payer working in IT.
A large proportion of people who claim benefits are working but are not paid a living wage ie lots of NHS staff. I also give my time up to volunteer for a domestic violence charity where some of the women have nothing.
I don't begrudge anyone who needs help, I do begrudge your attitude though and your attack on those that need help.

Well, as I said I have a lot of Asian American immigrant family and friends there. I have had many discussions. Most are staunchly Dem though they also think the Dems have flubbed many issues.

Of those that possibly have voted Trump, I think it's because:
They want lower taxes and control of inflation
Border control and fewer illegal immigrants because as a pp said, they came in legally and jumped through hoops.
A strong leader in the world arena, whatever that means.
They are all working class- worked their way up the ladder having entered as students- and therefore don't care about celeb endorsements. Trump seems more down to earth.

They are by no means anti-abortion but that is of secondary importance given the options.

However, I do not think Trump will be able to do these things any more than Harris will. I just think he gives the appearance of doing so.

I’m so disappointed but not at all surprised. I thought the people saying Kamala would win were so out of touch. Everything has changed and most Western countries are divided with a stark difference in views. The extreme is now mainstream in many places and honestly it feels like anything can happen these days.

"Really? I had to go and ask ChatGPT..."

Yes, really. I'm not too sure about ChatGPT but what it said isn't actually wrong in any way, but doesn't go into detail:

"Abortion laws vary significantly by state, and most states have restrictions on when an abortion can be performed, with many states restricting access after fetal viability"

This is entirely correct, most states do have restrictions. But the thing is, that doesn't apply to all states.

The seven states I mentioned have laws that specifically say that a woman has a fundamental right to have an abortion at any time without limits.

They also say that a public authority cannot interfere in any way with a woman's right to have an abortion at any time.
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"In summary, while some states have less restrictive laws on later-term abortions, these are generally only available in medically necessary situations, not as elective procedures up until birth."

Again, this is true as far as it goes, but there is a big difference between

"these are generally only available in..."

and

"these are only available in..."

Those seven states are the reason why the article uses the words "most" and "generally". But "most" doesn't mean all.

"Fascists" this demonisation is a big reason why people vote right wing.

You can't persuade people by insulting them.

Your phrasing in that post is why I ask

Do you think men should be in women's sports?

This.

I've no idea why people don't realise that insulting and belittling people isn't helfpul.

I don't think everyone that has voted for Trump or Modi is a fascist or racist or stupid. But I do think Trump, Modi, Putin et al are certainly fascists. See the difference?

Listening to the BBC coverage last night I felt this every time a democrat supporter was on.

I felt that the Trump supporters were on a different planet, but that's America.

There was naive and clueless versus out of touch and slightly self righteous.

Neither are particularly appealing. But I did feel that the Trump supporters were more self aware though even if I fundamentally think they are fruitloops.

I’m really unclear why you’re asking me that. Do you want to say something about your reasoning?

Harris lost because she is incompetent and not up to the job, not because she’s black and female. It was obvious for the American public to see. Between her hysterical laughing and odd speech and bad campaigning, aswell as the fact that she achieved absolutely nothing whilst in office the past 4 years.

so called gender critical self-styled “feminists”

You didn't post it too long ago but here you are again, your language here with 'so called' and 'self styled feminists' is why I ask

Any chance of an answer?

Trump has with 277 electoral college votes, of which there are 538.

In the world where the following people confirmed what I said:

Davyd Arakhamia (Member of Ukrainian Parliament): https://x.com/MyLordBebo/status/1728167915524960294

Naftali Bennett (former Israel PM):

Victoria Nuland (US Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs): https://x.com/Megatron_ron/status/1833101656168280505

I agree. The democrats lied and lied about Biden's abilities. The left do indeed have a very bad habit of talking down to those on the right who disagree with them. It only persuades people to move further right, rather than left. If wonder if/ when they will wake up to this and change their approach.

Ok, you really are going to have to be more clear here. Are you asking about my initial wording or about an issue completely unrelated to my point? If I could fathom what it is you’re actually trying to articulate, I might be able to respond.

Now would be a great time for them to gain this self awareness

It's a vote against the woke lefties!

@Alexandra2001 I hope she doesn't stand again - she's a poor speaker and simply didn't get policy across- don't care if she's white, black or purple-I'm sorry the only way the US in my opinion will vote for a woman is a Republican one with 'crossover views' and not particularly 'right on' that appeal to those in the middle that may vote either way.

To me it's like the Johnson/ Corbyn choice - I wouldn't pick either - I would have voted for Harris- but only because Trump is so far off the scale in terms of being suitable

The fascists you mention are the ones who are trying to stop wars, though. That is why they are getting support because most people want to end the death and destruction. No one is saying "I am voting for them because they are a fascist".

The rise of the extreme right is a completely different subject. It is to do with lack of education and trauma in people who are being groomed to become extreme right.

I don't know where to start with this shit. Do you believe in any exceptions for rape/incest or are those the woman's fault too?

Do you support generous benefits and support for pregnant women/mothers, e.g. maternity leave, maternity pay, flexible working, child benefit? Or are you a typical Republican voter who is anti-abortion but couldn't give a fuck about a child once it's born? As George Carlin said, in America 'they love the pre-born. If you're pre-born you're fine, if you're pre-school you're fucked'.