To be so disappointed in people - Trump voters especially

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I feel absolutely stunned that despite all that has been said and done Trump is likely to get the chance to make the world burn a little faster.

I am afraid for a future so full of anger and hate.

Sounds like you’ve never been to America or have American friends. Most Americans live a peaceful and harmonious life in a beautiful country. It’s not all LA, NY and Chicago.

From this election:

https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2024/politics/2020-2016-exit-polls-2024-dg/

White voters without college degrees have long represented Trump’s base of support, something that has remained constant. A shift has occurred among White college-educated voters. They narrowly backed Trump in 2016, but Harris won them by about 10 points in 2024, a split driven by both men and women. Harris won White women with a college degree by about 20 points — an improvement over both Biden and Clinton.

Some of you people (“people”?) are really over-egging the custard today!

AKA isolationism.

But you have missed out so many other types of gains. Democracy is everyone having a voice. They only need to vote in a way which aligns with their priories.

@Coolasfeck

"... Any Trump voter who’s not a straight, white, Christian man deserves what’s coming..."

You probably won't like this, but that sounds rather racist and mysoginist to me.

So any non-straight, non-white, non-Christian woman who voted for DT deserves retribution? They aren't allowed to make up their own minds how to vote, but have to vote how you think they should - otherwise they deserve what they get?

You sound incredibly patronising, mean-spirited and anti-democratic to me.

The planet where Turkey was mediating. I think it was March not April though.

I don't believe Kamala lost entirely because she was a woman. But I also don't believe there will be any female candidates for President any time soon.

I don’t understand how they can be this stupid. The only thing for the rest of the world, in the face of this persistent destructive Trumpism is to start turning away from our closeness with the US, our reliance on the dollar economy, and band together with sensible nations for growth and defence.

Those denying the US is mysoginistic- well it's a very big place- the areas I like most don't tend to be - other areas I've experienced are very much so - and many women do go along with it because financially a lot of them are screwed with no support if they don't have a bloke bringing home the bacon. The same applies too here but support is better- not great but better than US, certainly if you have kids

Personally I thought both choices were lousy but it's a very dog eat dog country where making a buck is king and people want to believe that a change of government will miraculously change their circumstances- I really don't get why women though in particular would vote for him -

This. I thought she was a great candidate along with a great running mate. Its terribly sad

This is the important point.

The US can vote for who it likes. We don't get a say in this. If we don't like that, our option is to distance ourselves from them and our dependency on their resources.

The 'modern world' as you envision it has failed to propagate life and prosperity. Your views are anti-LIFE .

Ironically, given what you profess to value, the policies you no doubt support have led to a world where women are raped and murdered daily.

This ^

I suggest that any "liberals" who find it difficult to grasp that not everybody thinks like them should read Jonathan Haidt's book: "The Righteous Mind: Why Good People are Divided by Politics and Religion"

It's not the right who are intolerant of the views of others...

That is interesting, though it is based on polls and CNN hasn't covered itself with glory when it comes to impartial reporting. Thanks for linking.

Sadly I think you’re right. I don’t expect to see a female president in my lifetime.

so called gender critical self-styled “feminists”

This sounds like you prefer gender ideology over sex based spaces? Do you mean you are happy with men in women's sports?

I'm comfortable now, but acutely aware of the issues deprivation and poverty cause, having grown up in one of the most deprived areas of the UK. My former school had (and still has) two full-time police officers stationed on-site to deal with everything from extreme neglect and sexual assault to drug abuse and parents physically attacking children within the school grounds.

I've lost friends to violence, drugs and prison and only escaped from a similar life due to a huge amount of luck and the hard work of my parents.

I don't want to pull the ladder up behind me now I'm out. I want things to improve for everyone, and even changed career to try to make that a reality, but if the people who are deprived continue to direct their anger towards the left, the migrant, the different, instead of at those who hold the power to enact change but who refuse to do so, they never will.

You've perfectly illustrated the issue with many right wingers; you refuse to listen to any view but your own. Tell me, if Trump is successful in his mass deportation of migrants and life doesn't improve substantially for the working class, who will you blame next?

Double post

She is an able intelligent woman who has said very little other than "The passage of time, you know? Right? The passage of time" over the last 4 years.

That is why there were videos mocking her basically saying she was a puppet and completely controlled by monied groups. Passage of Time being an euphemism.

I am not asserting that myself though, I have no head for geopolitics.

The first time Trump was in office, Chris Christie and others ensured he was surrounded by competent and decent advisors, many of whom later tried to warn the American public prior to this election that he was incompetent and dangerous. If not for Pence and others upholding the Constitution, Trump may have held onto power by force. Now he has surrounded himself with conspiracy theorists and sycophants so the guardrails are truly off. Good luck when RFK jr gets rid of childhood vaccines and flouride, good luck when Trump refuses to support the US's historical allies in favour of Putin, good luck when Elon Musk is trimming 2 trillion out of the budget as part of his DOGE (Department of Government Efficiency) and good luck when Trump tries to round up and deport immigrants, including by his own team's admission, legal immigrants and people born in the US. Good fucking luck. But no, people were so concerned about the economy and inflation -- which affected other countries since Covid pretty much the same.

If you could expand a bit on what you think I mean and why you think I mean it, I might be able to give you an appropriate response.