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Shannon Matthews musical. Sorry but I’m laughing

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MaryBerrysEyelashes · 25/10/2024 07:33

At the song titles šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚

Shannon Matthews musical. Sorry but I’m laughing
Shannon Matthews musical. Sorry but I’m laughing
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FergusSingsTheBIues · 26/10/2024 09:34

It’s a musical… singing and dancing. Not quite the same

BarryGw · 26/10/2024 10:26

TheDowagerCountessofPembroke · 26/10/2024 09:20

Yes the tv drama was entertainment. Yes some people did object.
But the big difference was that it was about the betrayal of the community that supported Karen and were genuinely worried for Shannon. It was done with respect for the family, Shannon and the community.
This musical is just point and laugh at the poor northerners.

And you know this because you've already seen it?

5128gap · 26/10/2024 10:27

MaryBerrysEyelashes · 25/10/2024 16:38

I’m laughing at the rhyme

but thanks mum 🄰🄰🄰

Its an incredibly obvious line that you can see coming a mile away. You think it's hilarious because you're easily amused, not because it's clever or witty.

BarryGw · 26/10/2024 10:27

FergusSingsTheBIues · 26/10/2024 09:34

It’s a musical… singing and dancing. Not quite the same

Just a different way of telling a story?

KnittyNell · 26/10/2024 10:33

About as funny as the despicable ā€˜jokes’ made about Madeleine McCann!

redtrain123 · 26/10/2024 10:56

I sometimes wonder that if Shannon had a less distinctive name, her story would be less memorable. Ie. If she was Amy Matthews, then would we recall her so readily. I don’t actually know anyone else called Shannon, so whenever I hear that name, I immediately think of her. Also, if she was called Amy, then she could have more easily moved schools and blended in, rather than the more distinctive Shannon.

(disclaimer - I don’t know if she has changed names, and if she has, what her new name is)

TheDowagerCountessofPembroke · 26/10/2024 10:57

BarryGw · 26/10/2024 10:27

Just a different way of telling a story?

But not a way that is suitable to the subject matter.

5128gap · 26/10/2024 10:59

This is like reading a thread from the guy in the office with the braces and the comedy specs. "Dead!! Sounds like bed Dunnit?? Bed..Dead..? Geddit? Ooh you laydiez need to lighten up a bit..you're Karens you are! See what I did there? Karens!! I'm mad me...!"

TheDowagerCountessofPembroke · 26/10/2024 10:59

BarryGw · 26/10/2024 10:26

And you know this because you've already seen it?

Nope. But the use of ā€˜mumsnet Karen’s’ tells me everything I need to know.

MaryBerrysEyelashes · 26/10/2024 11:07

I AM easily amused and I’m funny and fabulous and popular. Happy now?

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BarryGw · 26/10/2024 11:17

TheDowagerCountessofPembroke · 26/10/2024 10:59

Nope. But the use of ā€˜mumsnet Karen’s’ tells me everything I need to know.

I cannot argue with that lol. So the use of a single throw away phrase tells you the entire plot and premise of a movie that is currently unreleased. Mark Kermode could save so much time if he knew that little gem!

MistressoftheDarkSide · 26/10/2024 11:22

I was just saying yesterday that the world seems to feel grubbier by the day, and true horror is often found in the banal and mundane - and here we are with proof aplenty.

And I say that as someone who uses dark and inappropriate humour as a coping / defence mechanism for myself - wouldn't dream of capitalising on other people's trauma for cheap laughs though, or shock value, or social commentary or whatever bizarre justification people will try to apply to this.

I also say this as someone who has worked in live performance of edgier types, usually backstage, some of which I found interesting, some of which I wasn't clever enough to get my head round - or it was self indulgent posturing wank on the part of the instigators, apparently both views are valud, depending.

I just can never get my head round being in a production meeting where someone goes:

"I've got a cracking idea for the Fringe this year - remember that Northern kid whose Mum hid her under a bed and scammed the local community - let's put on a musical about it "

I wonder how many lines of sparkle powder it took to fully flesh out the concept and bring any dissenters into line, because it reads like an utter fever dream scenario to me.

Jeez. Mind. Boggled.

BarryGw · 26/10/2024 11:22

5128gap · 26/10/2024 10:59

This is like reading a thread from the guy in the office with the braces and the comedy specs. "Dead!! Sounds like bed Dunnit?? Bed..Dead..? Geddit? Ooh you laydiez need to lighten up a bit..you're Karens you are! See what I did there? Karens!! I'm mad me...!"

But that's how rhyming works? If songs didn't rhyme they wouldn't work. Doesn't matter if you're doing a musical about a potentially taboo subject, or you're writing a new hit for Beyonce, it needs to rhyme! So yes, dead rhymes with bed. As a couplet, it works.

BarryGw · 26/10/2024 11:38

MistressoftheDarkSide · 26/10/2024 11:22

I was just saying yesterday that the world seems to feel grubbier by the day, and true horror is often found in the banal and mundane - and here we are with proof aplenty.

And I say that as someone who uses dark and inappropriate humour as a coping / defence mechanism for myself - wouldn't dream of capitalising on other people's trauma for cheap laughs though, or shock value, or social commentary or whatever bizarre justification people will try to apply to this.

I also say this as someone who has worked in live performance of edgier types, usually backstage, some of which I found interesting, some of which I wasn't clever enough to get my head round - or it was self indulgent posturing wank on the part of the instigators, apparently both views are valud, depending.

I just can never get my head round being in a production meeting where someone goes:

"I've got a cracking idea for the Fringe this year - remember that Northern kid whose Mum hid her under a bed and scammed the local community - let's put on a musical about it "

I wonder how many lines of sparkle powder it took to fully flesh out the concept and bring any dissenters into line, because it reads like an utter fever dream scenario to me.

Jeez. Mind. Boggled.

That was actually one of the most sensible posts I'd read until you made the 'sparkle powder' accusation. You had to spoil it with an unfounded assumption. But hey! This is Mumsnet, so you stayed on brand.
The musical was actually released over 10 years ago as a cd only release. So none of this is really new. I remember being on here during the Edinburgh run enjoying exactly the same kind of 'debates'.
I genuinely don't understand how people can be offended by something they've not seen/heard/witnessed.

BarryGw · 26/10/2024 11:38

MaryBerrysEyelashes · 26/10/2024 11:07

I AM easily amused and I’m funny and fabulous and popular. Happy now?

P.O.P.U.L.A.R

MistressoftheDarkSide · 26/10/2024 11:44

BarryGw · 26/10/2024 11:38

That was actually one of the most sensible posts I'd read until you made the 'sparkle powder' accusation. You had to spoil it with an unfounded assumption. But hey! This is Mumsnet, so you stayed on brand.
The musical was actually released over 10 years ago as a cd only release. So none of this is really new. I remember being on here during the Edinburgh run enjoying exactly the same kind of 'debates'.
I genuinely don't understand how people can be offended by something they've not seen/heard/witnessed.

An unfounded assumption? Dahling, do you / have you ever worked in theatah? Heh heh heh.....

(It was pure speculation of course, based on my own experience,hence the I wonder)

Also, some concepts are distasteful and don't require further exploration. There are some cases where "don't knock it till you've tried it" will never appeal. Obviously speaking for myself only.

BarryGw · 26/10/2024 11:54

MistressoftheDarkSide · 26/10/2024 11:44

An unfounded assumption? Dahling, do you / have you ever worked in theatah? Heh heh heh.....

(It was pure speculation of course, based on my own experience,hence the I wonder)

Also, some concepts are distasteful and don't require further exploration. There are some cases where "don't knock it till you've tried it" will never appeal. Obviously speaking for myself only.

Dahling, I do work in theatre yes. I've also spent many years on the rock music scene, so yes, I've seen plenty of substance abuse and know how rife it is.
But, I also know the creator who wrote the original musical and the guys who did the Edinburgh run and made the movie. So yes, in this case, unfounded. Although there may well have been a few bottles of wine involved šŸ‘šŸ»

Newterm · 26/10/2024 11:55

There are some demographics that appear to be ok to ridicule. Poor, unsophisticated white northern people, the Christian church,or people who live in Jaywick immediately come to mind. Can’t imagine a comedy would be written about the abuse of a black child.

cherish123 · 26/10/2024 11:55

Reminds me of Mr G when he wrote a musical for a dead pupil.

BarryGw · 26/10/2024 11:57

Newterm · 26/10/2024 11:55

There are some demographics that appear to be ok to ridicule. Poor, unsophisticated white northern people, the Christian church,or people who live in Jaywick immediately come to mind. Can’t imagine a comedy would be written about the abuse of a black child.

Great idea! If you get in quick, you could get it on Loose Women. Maybe have a Mumsnet poll to come up with a title?

5128gap · 26/10/2024 12:01

BarryGw · 26/10/2024 11:22

But that's how rhyming works? If songs didn't rhyme they wouldn't work. Doesn't matter if you're doing a musical about a potentially taboo subject, or you're writing a new hit for Beyonce, it needs to rhyme! So yes, dead rhymes with bed. As a couplet, it works.

I'm not disputing that it rhymes. It's entirely obvious. And like most of us I have been aware of the way rhyme is used since I first learned Twinkle Twinkle little star. My point is that the ability to string together two sentences where the last word of the first rhymes with the last of the second, is a very basic skill and it surprises me that some of you find it so impressive. And inexplicably hilarious.

LostTheMarble · 26/10/2024 12:05

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MistressoftheDarkSide · 26/10/2024 12:05

BarryGw · 26/10/2024 11:54

Dahling, I do work in theatre yes. I've also spent many years on the rock music scene, so yes, I've seen plenty of substance abuse and know how rife it is.
But, I also know the creator who wrote the original musical and the guys who did the Edinburgh run and made the movie. So yes, in this case, unfounded. Although there may well have been a few bottles of wine involved šŸ‘šŸ»

Fair play - just my dark humour leaking over the boundaries, no offence intended. Life has made me dangerously jaded and cynical I'm afraid - aging out of the scene and dealing with way too much reality these days.....

BarryGw · 26/10/2024 12:16

5128gap · 26/10/2024 12:01

I'm not disputing that it rhymes. It's entirely obvious. And like most of us I have been aware of the way rhyme is used since I first learned Twinkle Twinkle little star. My point is that the ability to string together two sentences where the last word of the first rhymes with the last of the second, is a very basic skill and it surprises me that some of you find it so impressive. And inexplicably hilarious.

I look forward to your next top 10 single if it's so easy šŸ‘šŸ»

BarryGw · 26/10/2024 12:18

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And do you not realise I'm just here poking the fire? And occasionally playing devil's advocate.
There's not even been a press release yet and already the movie is all over the tabloids.