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To hope that Donald Trump doesn’t win the election

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RosaMoline · 21/10/2024 16:05

….it’s getting closer.
I was hoping that Kamala would be a shoo-in for the presidency, but looking at the betting odds, I’m feeling quite pessimistic.
It’s incomprehensible to me that a convicted felon, racist, rapist, liar and misogynist who spurred on an insurrection - after everything that’s happened - is running for office again and may very well win.
It’s comforting to read though that fellow Brits DON’T support him.
Apart from Reform. Obviously.
yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/50752-who-did-britons-want-to-win-the-2024-us-presidential-election

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Suzuki70 · 21/10/2024 18:57

biscuitandcake · 21/10/2024 18:54

I know people who are pro life who are prolife for other reasons than mysogyny. I don't agree with them but I can respect their opinion. But Trump and his crowd don't have any problem with embryos being destroyed for IVF for example. He boasted about being the father of IVF and musk has almost certainly used sex selective IVF to have his kids (which definitely involves the destruction of female embryos). So it so transparently isn't about "life" but about controlling someone else's body.

Punishing women for having sex, innit. Funny how you need a male partner to conceive all these babies though.

username35890 · 21/10/2024 18:59

Candaceowens · 21/10/2024 18:54

Well to start with, his ban on gender ideology in schools.

I agree with that but there are surely more. You're a fan, you've obviously kept abreast of his promises.

RichardDrankMyCoke · 21/10/2024 19:00

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 21/10/2024 16:24

As opposed to a woman who got her initial position ( by her own admission) by sexual favours to her boss. Who has never been elected to any office ( withdrew from her primary when it was obvious that she was going to get the smallest share of the vote). Who didn’t visit the border when she was supposed to be in charge of it?

we won’t mention the earpiece, though.

ALWAYS with the weird incel-adjacent misogyny, huh, even when it's completely unnecessary and beside the point?

You know people are going to respond to the abundant bait, claiming real Trump is EVEN WORSE than your straw person Harris surrogate and so letting your misinformation stand. It doesn't stand up to scrutiny, though, and I think it's worth very briefly dissecting as a textbook example of how this type of low-level, low effort smear campaign "works".

(1) Not sure if the "sexual favours" comment is an attempt to smear John Meehan or somebody else in his office (Harris wouldn't have reported directly to him straight out of law school), but if you have some proof that she "admitted" to this involvement, characterized it as "sexual favors", AND claimed it's the reason she was hired, I'm sure the US press would love (and pay) to know!!

Still, it's a slight twist on the usual misogynist smear that she got her start by dating Willie Brown - which is hilarious for anyone who knows anything about the scene around Brown in 1990s San Francisco. Brown (despite technically being married) dated so widely it was a running local joke for years, and certainly he pursued just about every young, prominent, left of center black woman he could find. Brown also was a huge champion of getting progressive black people (including men) into office in California, promoting campaigns and providing recommendations and advocacy left and... OK, not right. This was a logical consequence of the extreme race based discrimination Brown himself experienced early in his own legal career, and combating anti-black racism in politics and law was always his driving motivation. While it's almost inevitable that he'd have pursued Harris at some point no matter what, it's even more certain that he'd have promoted her as a candidate even if she'd rebuffed his interest on a personal level. Regardless, women did and do have the right to date and even to have (consensual) sex with whomever they want to.

(2) As for Harris never having been elected - anyone can easily consult the public record. However, armed with the basic knowledge ALL the Attorney General positions in California at every level are elected, you wouldn't even have to do that. (Not to mention VPOTUS, although I guess arguably Biden and his abundant testosterone could've carried that ticket all on his own.)

(3) Harris wasn't in charge of border enforcement, but with investigating the root causes of persistent illegal migration to the US from and via Mexico. And of course she did, with much fanfare, eventually visit the US Mexico border; the standard criticism (which perhaps has some merit) is that she chose to focus on current flashpoint El Paso rather than some of the more stubborn long-term but less visible problem spots, giving her opponents an opportunity to allege that her knowledge of the problem was recent and superficial.

Of course, the "causes" of this net north migration date back to the Monroe Doctrine and Manifest Destiny, reinforced by decades of similar policies rammed through by successive presidential administrations of both parties, and so neither party has been able to - nor, more importantly, WILL be able to - "solve" the contemporary consequences while still pursuing and defending legacy neoliberal policies. But cherchez la femme while you can, right?

RosaMoline · 21/10/2024 19:00

@Candaceowens & @CoatRack

theweek.com/donald-trump/655770/61-things-donald-trump-has-said-about-women

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BustingBaoBun · 21/10/2024 19:01

Isn't it funny how you're all attacking his character and not his policy...

I have read about his policies
Which is surprising given he just rambles incoherently.

He's going to reduce housing costs by stopping some immigrants from getting mortgages and deporting others
Tax cuts for the wealthy
Tariffs. This will push up prices for the American people
Immigration. Starting by deporting 1 million immigrants causing a huge labour problem
Ukraine. No more money for them. Hr will end the war in 24 hours. Obviously to Putin advantage
Climate change. He thinks it's a good thing to have more land for beachfront properties ... yes really
NATO.. he will 're-evaluate the US position'... leave?
He will ramp up oil drilling on public land
Education. He wants to disband the Dept of Education and cut funding for any school mandating vaccines

That's barely scratching the surface but it'll do for now

Newsenmum · 21/10/2024 19:01

RosaMoline · 21/10/2024 16:25

WHAT TRUMP SAID
“The baby is born. The mother meets with the doctor. They take care of the baby. They wrap the baby beautifully. And then the doctor and the mother determine whether or not they will execute the baby.”
😡😡😡

What was this in reference to?

CroftonWillow · 21/10/2024 19:03

He has a good chance as Americans are feeling similar to Brits re inflation/cost of living pressures etc so natural tendancy is to punish the incumbent.

RosaMoline · 21/10/2024 19:03

Newsenmum · 21/10/2024 19:01

What was this in reference to?

www.nytimes.com/2019/04/28/us/politics/trump-abortion-fact-check.html

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thepariscrimefiles · 21/10/2024 19:10

Candaceowens · 21/10/2024 18:54

Well to start with, his ban on gender ideology in schools.

Oh, is that when he said that children were going to school a boy and then the school was doing an operation on them and when they went home they were a girl?

I can see why you're pleased that they are going to stop that!!

CoatRack · 21/10/2024 19:13

thepariscrimefiles · 21/10/2024 18:53

Well not literally.

Differences

He's much older
He's got dementia
He's incontinent
He's fat
He wears fake tan
He's a rapist
He's got children
He's stupid
He dodged the draft so he didn't fight in Vietnam while Hitler foughts in WW1

Similarities

They're both fascists
They're both racists
They've both got comb-overs
They are both homophobic
They both want to be dictators
Their followers are brainwashed and stupid

Brilliant!

You missed a few though:

Differences
Is not vegetarian
Can't even paint
Didn't create a car company
Didn't inadvertently create Fanta

Similarities
Wrote a book
Wears Hugo Boss

Keep going!

Oneearringlost · 21/10/2024 19:22

Appently, "only one Briton in five wants Donald Trump to win", according to Adam Boulton in the i today...
That's too many! I was horrified.

MrsTerryPratchett · 21/10/2024 19:22

AnneLovesGilbert · 21/10/2024 17:45

I was baffled till I heard someone on the radio explaining it really is all about abortion. So many groups who should hate him actually hate a woman’s right to choose more. That’s what they’re after, a complete insistence on forced pregnancy, no matter the circumstances, and they’ll hold their noses about everything else he’s said and done to get it.

And it really is only the right to choose they hate. Because if you compare abortion rates in countries with free, available, legal abortion, and those with no legal abortion in any case, there are MORE abortions where it's illegal. If you outlaw free, safe, legal abortion, you get expensive, unsafe, illegal abortions and many more of them.

Banning abortion is JUST about criminalising women and not about the 'poor babies'. More of them die (sometimes along with their mothers) where abortion is illegal. Free, safe, legal abortion tends to go with women's rights, sex education, contraception, later marriage, less sex offending and generally more women being more likely to be happy choosing pregnancy. Therefore, fewer unwanted pregnancies.

Oneearringlost · 21/10/2024 19:27

RosaMoline · 21/10/2024 16:18

Jesus. 14% of mumsnetters think I am BU 😳🙄

Well, see my above post.

BloodandGlitter · 21/10/2024 19:33

Candaceowens · 21/10/2024 18:46

Isn't it funny how you're all attacking his character and not his policy...

I've asked Trump supporters to show me the policies that are making them vote for him, to explain their reasons for voting for him instead of just making remarks but funnily enough none of you want to do it. I'd love to know why the policies you want to see enacted are enough for you to ignore his faults.

Someone said his ban on gender ideology do you really hate trans people that much that you'd see women screwed over just to see a ban on them being spoken about in schools?

Treeinthesky · 21/10/2024 19:55

I don't understand us politics but why can't the republicans change their leader like we do? Vote no confidence

Newsenmum · 21/10/2024 19:59

@Candaceowens you can care about gender ideology. Thinking that trumps every other single policy that damages women? Why? You’ve got to get a bit scared when you start agreeing with Trump.

Newsenmum · 21/10/2024 20:00

BloodandGlitter · 21/10/2024 19:33

I've asked Trump supporters to show me the policies that are making them vote for him, to explain their reasons for voting for him instead of just making remarks but funnily enough none of you want to do it. I'd love to know why the policies you want to see enacted are enough for you to ignore his faults.

Someone said his ban on gender ideology do you really hate trans people that much that you'd see women screwed over just to see a ban on them being spoken about in schools?

I know, it’s madness.

CoatRack · 21/10/2024 20:11

RosaMoline · 21/10/2024 19:00

He said all those things! 😮

Cherrysoup · 21/10/2024 20:14

MrsTerryPratchett · 21/10/2024 16:08

a convicted felon, racist, rapist, liar and misogynist Don't forget ableist. And all the other documented fuckery.

The fact that all this is true and people still think he's someone who should be given the highest office in the US baffles me. OK so you agree with his politics. But he's an admitted sex offender!!! How can you think he's OK to be in a room with humans, never mind running the place? There are other people who share his politics and presumably don't do these things.

Is it true he only originally became the Republican and said he didn’t care which side he got to represent as long as he was a candidate?!

ToWhitToWhoo · 21/10/2024 20:19

Treeinthesky · 21/10/2024 19:55

I don't understand us politics but why can't the republicans change their leader like we do? Vote no confidence

They can't; it's not a parliamentary system. The president is elected for a four-year term, and that's that, unless they die in office, get successfully impeached, or resign to avoid impeachment. The leader is chosen at the party convention, and after that, it's virtually impossible to replace them. The very last time that a party can change leader is just before the party convention, as happened with the Democrats replacing Biden with Harris, and even that's very unusual, It's too late for the Republicans to do it with Trump.

MelainesLaugh · 21/10/2024 20:25

I’ve said it on here before, but at least he is passionate about his country. If our politicians were even half as passionate we might not be in the state we are now.

He did only win the first election because he was up against Hilary Clinton, I would’ve voted for him over her any day of the week. Out of the candidates now I would probably vote again for him, even if Biden was still in the running. He’s almost the best of a bad lot.

Now if he’d been up against someone like Obama, no chance!

Candaceowens · 21/10/2024 20:29

Newsenmum · 21/10/2024 19:59

@Candaceowens you can care about gender ideology. Thinking that trumps every other single policy that damages women? Why? You’ve got to get a bit scared when you start agreeing with Trump.

What policy do you think damages women?

biscuitandcake · 21/10/2024 20:31
American Flag GIF by NRSC

I’ve said it on here before, but at least he is passionate about his country.

"at least he's passionate" sounds like the sort of thing people say about their truly awful boyfriends. Patriotism is not the same thing as trying to impregnate the flag.

Candaceowens · 21/10/2024 20:32

@MelainesLaugh Obama was one of the worst presidents in modern history. And since we're attacking people's character, his fake marriage with Michelle where they try and brand themselves as the new Kennedy's and his sleazy drug and sex parties are hardly admirable.

Birdscratch · 21/10/2024 20:33

his sleazy drug and sex parties are hardly admirable.

Do you understand how U.K. law works?

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