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To hope that Donald Trump doesn’t win the election

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RosaMoline · 21/10/2024 16:05

….it’s getting closer.
I was hoping that Kamala would be a shoo-in for the presidency, but looking at the betting odds, I’m feeling quite pessimistic.
It’s incomprehensible to me that a convicted felon, racist, rapist, liar and misogynist who spurred on an insurrection - after everything that’s happened - is running for office again and may very well win.
It’s comforting to read though that fellow Brits DON’T support him.
Apart from Reform. Obviously.
yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/50752-who-did-britons-want-to-win-the-2024-us-presidential-election

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Wallaw · 30/10/2024 21:11

Our presidents get immunity… that’s not new.

Goodness. Either you're incredibly disingenuous or... well, you know. But, hey, whatever you need to do to convince yourself the court adheres to those Federalist values you claim to seek.

And no you aren’t getting my dead Granny’s political views to froth over. I’ve certainly given you enough ammunition to work with of my own views. You can challenge them. Or is there a reason you’re looking for someone’s opinion who is A- Dead B-not engaged in the discussion?

You brought her up, dear.

Frothing, huh? I'm not the one who needs an eye rolling emoji to get all my points across.

Can I assume from your climate stance you're one of JD's beloved childless cat ladies?

saltinesandcoffeecups · 30/10/2024 22:54

lol… it’s like the Harry Potter quote…

"You know, Minister, I disagree with Dumbledore on many counts...but you cannot deny he's got style"

This is the motorcade for his rally tonight 🤣

On that note… this thread has been fun. Thanks to all those who I’ve been engaged in discussion with (even you @Wallaw but your still not getting anymore on Granny!), if nothing else you made do quite a bit of research to make sure my facts were right. We may not agree and that’s ok. As long as everyone remembers that there are people behind the “supporters” it will be ok in the long run.

To hope that Donald Trump doesn’t win the election
OonaStubbs · 30/10/2024 22:56

One of Trumps main strength is his lack of subtlety and respect for traditional political decorum. He's like Homer Simpson.

Brinny · 30/10/2024 23:04

Crumbs, reading the views on here regarding immigration, the thing is and I will write it in plain English, Trump comes from an immigrant family as does his wife,believe she outstayed her visa, and most American citizens came from Dutch, or British, Scottish and Irish decent including Spanish, so if Trump existed years ago he would be sending himself back to Germany, all immigrant,s go for a better lifestyle, and can make a country richer in so many ways, , remember the true American is the native Indian .

Reading and watching listening to the news Trumps rallies are reminiscent and parallel to Trumps verbal and body language of the neo nazi rallies in Germany 1934 36 37

Reserved101 · 30/10/2024 23:40

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 21/10/2024 16:24

As opposed to a woman who got her initial position ( by her own admission) by sexual favours to her boss. Who has never been elected to any office ( withdrew from her primary when it was obvious that she was going to get the smallest share of the vote). Who didn’t visit the border when she was supposed to be in charge of it?

we won’t mention the earpiece, though.

Do you have a truth-allergy or something?

SassK · 30/10/2024 23:51

I hope he wins (just for the shits and giggles). I enjoy his 'dancing'.

OonaStubbs · 30/10/2024 23:51

What are the democrats going to do if they lose to Trump again? Just keep on the same path, or show some self-reflection and realise what they are selling, the voters aren't buying?

Wallaw · 31/10/2024 00:11

OonaStubbs · 30/10/2024 23:51

What are the democrats going to do if they lose to Trump again? Just keep on the same path, or show some self-reflection and realise what they are selling, the voters aren't buying?

Don't you think you could ask the same question of the Republicans?

What path are they going to take if they lose to the Democrats for the second time in a row? Did they do a rethink last time? Does it telll them anything that even when they win it's not because the majority of the population voted for them?

biscuitandcake · 31/10/2024 02:28

Wallaw · 31/10/2024 00:11

Don't you think you could ask the same question of the Republicans?

What path are they going to take if they lose to the Democrats for the second time in a row? Did they do a rethink last time? Does it telll them anything that even when they win it's not because the majority of the population voted for them?

Do you think anyone has a clear idea for how the Republican's fix themselves after Trump? There must have been so much internal craziness and infighting I don't know how you would go back to being a normal functioning party, or maybe they don't... But then (and this is a UK perspective so you might see it differently) really you need at least 2 healthy functioning parties that can balance each other oppose each other properly. If Trump loses I guess they can replace him and spend the next 4 years rebuilding themselves/having internal soul searching and painful infighting before bouncing back. If Trump wins what happens to them in 4 years time? Do they just continue down the same path with someone else or...

thepariscrimefiles · 31/10/2024 03:10

OonaStubbs · 30/10/2024 22:56

One of Trumps main strength is his lack of subtlety and respect for traditional political decorum. He's like Homer Simpson.

But Homer has Marge and Lisa to curb his worst excesses, Trump has no-one to do that. Homer also has moments of self awareness and kindness unlike Trump. Plus Trump would definitely have had an affair with Mindy.

Wallaw · 31/10/2024 07:06

biscuitandcake · 31/10/2024 02:28

Do you think anyone has a clear idea for how the Republican's fix themselves after Trump? There must have been so much internal craziness and infighting I don't know how you would go back to being a normal functioning party, or maybe they don't... But then (and this is a UK perspective so you might see it differently) really you need at least 2 healthy functioning parties that can balance each other oppose each other properly. If Trump loses I guess they can replace him and spend the next 4 years rebuilding themselves/having internal soul searching and painful infighting before bouncing back. If Trump wins what happens to them in 4 years time? Do they just continue down the same path with someone else or...

Yes, I agree you need two functioning, healthy parties.

I honestly don't know. They had moments when they could have acted on their stated 'principles' according to Lindsey Graham, Mitch McConnell, Marco Rubio and the seven senators who voted to impeach him after Jan 6. They could have come together and put their weight behind someone like Nikki Haley, but in the end they chose not to and ended up kissing the ring instead.

I think the problem for them is if they turn around and become the party of Romney and McCain again, they lose the 33% of the electorate that's baked in for Trump. They would need to do some serious soul-searching about what they want to be and how they're going to get there and that doesn't seem to be their style.

thepariscrimefiles · 31/10/2024 08:06

Just before this thread closes, this is a piece of writing by Nate White, a British writer about why people in the UK don't like Trump:

“Why do some British people not like Donald Trump?”

A few things spring to mind. Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem. For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace – all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed. So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.

Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing – not once, ever. I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility – for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman. But with Trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is – his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.

Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers. And scarily, he doesn’t just talk in crude, witless insults – he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness.

There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It’s all surface. Some Americans might see this as refreshingly upfront. Well, we don’t. We see it as having no inner world, no soul. And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, Dick Whittington, Oliver Twist. Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that. He’s not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat. He’s more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege.

And worse, he is that most unforgivable of all things to the British: a bully. That is, except when he is among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a snivelling sidekick instead. There are unspoken rules to this stuff – the Queensberry rules of basic decency – and he breaks them all. He punches downwards – which a gentleman should, would, could never do – and every blow he aims is below the belt. He particularly likes to kick the vulnerable or voiceless – and he kicks them when they are down.
So the fact that a significant minority – perhaps a third – of Americans look at what he does, listen to what he says, and then think ‘Yeah, he seems like my kind of guy’ is a matter of some confusion and no little distress to British people, given that:

  • Americans are supposed to be nicer than us, and mostly are.
  • You don’t need a particularly keen eye for detail to spot a few flaws in the man.
This last point is what especially confuses and dismays British people, and many other people too; his faults seem pretty bloody hard to miss. After all, it’s impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him speak a sentence or two, without staring deep into the abyss. He turns being artless into an art form; he is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of shit. His faults are fractal: even his flaws have flaws, and so on ad infinitum. God knows there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid. He makes Nixon look trustworthy and George W look smart. In fact, if Frankenstein decided to make a monster assembled entirely from human flaws – he would make a Trump.

And a remorseful Doctor Frankenstein would clutch out big clumpfuls of hair and scream in anguish: ‘My God… what… have… I… created?’ If being a twat was a TV show, Trump would be the boxed set.”

SallyWD · 31/10/2024 08:59

thepariscrimefiles · 31/10/2024 08:06

Just before this thread closes, this is a piece of writing by Nate White, a British writer about why people in the UK don't like Trump:

“Why do some British people not like Donald Trump?”

A few things spring to mind. Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem. For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace – all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed. So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.

Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing – not once, ever. I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility – for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman. But with Trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is – his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.

Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers. And scarily, he doesn’t just talk in crude, witless insults – he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness.

There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It’s all surface. Some Americans might see this as refreshingly upfront. Well, we don’t. We see it as having no inner world, no soul. And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, Dick Whittington, Oliver Twist. Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that. He’s not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat. He’s more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege.

And worse, he is that most unforgivable of all things to the British: a bully. That is, except when he is among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a snivelling sidekick instead. There are unspoken rules to this stuff – the Queensberry rules of basic decency – and he breaks them all. He punches downwards – which a gentleman should, would, could never do – and every blow he aims is below the belt. He particularly likes to kick the vulnerable or voiceless – and he kicks them when they are down.
So the fact that a significant minority – perhaps a third – of Americans look at what he does, listen to what he says, and then think ‘Yeah, he seems like my kind of guy’ is a matter of some confusion and no little distress to British people, given that:

  • Americans are supposed to be nicer than us, and mostly are.
  • You don’t need a particularly keen eye for detail to spot a few flaws in the man.
This last point is what especially confuses and dismays British people, and many other people too; his faults seem pretty bloody hard to miss. After all, it’s impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him speak a sentence or two, without staring deep into the abyss. He turns being artless into an art form; he is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of shit. His faults are fractal: even his flaws have flaws, and so on ad infinitum. God knows there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid. He makes Nixon look trustworthy and George W look smart. In fact, if Frankenstein decided to make a monster assembled entirely from human flaws – he would make a Trump.

And a remorseful Doctor Frankenstein would clutch out big clumpfuls of hair and scream in anguish: ‘My God… what… have… I… created?’ If being a twat was a TV show, Trump would be the boxed set.”

I've read this before. It's absolutely spot on!

EasternStandard · 31/10/2024 09:08

thepariscrimefiles · 31/10/2024 08:06

Just before this thread closes, this is a piece of writing by Nate White, a British writer about why people in the UK don't like Trump:

“Why do some British people not like Donald Trump?”

A few things spring to mind. Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem. For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace – all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed. So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.

Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing – not once, ever. I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility – for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman. But with Trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is – his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.

Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers. And scarily, he doesn’t just talk in crude, witless insults – he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness.

There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It’s all surface. Some Americans might see this as refreshingly upfront. Well, we don’t. We see it as having no inner world, no soul. And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, Dick Whittington, Oliver Twist. Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that. He’s not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat. He’s more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege.

And worse, he is that most unforgivable of all things to the British: a bully. That is, except when he is among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a snivelling sidekick instead. There are unspoken rules to this stuff – the Queensberry rules of basic decency – and he breaks them all. He punches downwards – which a gentleman should, would, could never do – and every blow he aims is below the belt. He particularly likes to kick the vulnerable or voiceless – and he kicks them when they are down.
So the fact that a significant minority – perhaps a third – of Americans look at what he does, listen to what he says, and then think ‘Yeah, he seems like my kind of guy’ is a matter of some confusion and no little distress to British people, given that:

  • Americans are supposed to be nicer than us, and mostly are.
  • You don’t need a particularly keen eye for detail to spot a few flaws in the man.
This last point is what especially confuses and dismays British people, and many other people too; his faults seem pretty bloody hard to miss. After all, it’s impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him speak a sentence or two, without staring deep into the abyss. He turns being artless into an art form; he is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of shit. His faults are fractal: even his flaws have flaws, and so on ad infinitum. God knows there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid. He makes Nixon look trustworthy and George W look smart. In fact, if Frankenstein decided to make a monster assembled entirely from human flaws – he would make a Trump.

And a remorseful Doctor Frankenstein would clutch out big clumpfuls of hair and scream in anguish: ‘My God… what… have… I… created?’ If being a twat was a TV show, Trump would be the boxed set.”

People in the U.K. don't get a vote so it's not really relevant. Whether US voters prefer Trump I guess we'll find out soon.

GoodGollyMsMolly · 31/10/2024 10:00

Harris’ offensive pitch to women: If you vote GOP, it’s because your man makes you.

How people think this woman is great is a mystery to me. She's a clown.

BustingBaoBun · 31/10/2024 10:17

SallyWD · 31/10/2024 08:59

I've read this before. It's absolutely spot on!

Me too! It is absolutely SPOT ON. Thank you @thepariscrimefiles for reminding me of it.

I must go and link it elsewhere

Wallaw · 31/10/2024 10:19

GoodGollyMsMolly · 31/10/2024 10:00

Harris’ offensive pitch to women: If you vote GOP, it’s because your man makes you.

How people think this woman is great is a mystery to me. She's a clown.

Don't you think you might be twisting the message just a bit?

Ah, yes, a clown. Nothing like an accomplished black woman to mangle people's brains.

BustingBaoBun · 31/10/2024 10:30

I don't find it offensive to women at all. They are being reminded that you have a right to vote and your vote is private.

SOME Trump voting men (not all) embrace Trump for his mysogynistic views, they love he calls women 'nasty', they fall around laughing at him mocking women for their looks, they love it he calls women 'pigs' and 'dogs', he's made sexualised comments about his daughter... they'd laugh along at that, they love he brags about grabbing women by the pussy . A lot of Republican men would think the country has gone too far in giving women equal rights, a lot of them think women shouldn't work...
In that climate, it is good women are reminded their vote is private.

RosaMoline · 31/10/2024 16:09

I’m so pissed off. It’s been predicted as a win for DT 😢

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EasternStandard · 31/10/2024 16:18

RosaMoline · 31/10/2024 16:09

I’m so pissed off. It’s been predicted as a win for DT 😢

Where did you see that op?

RosaMoline · 31/10/2024 16:52

EasternStandard · 31/10/2024 16:18

Where did you see that op?

Just googling up to date predictions.
I guess they’ve got it wrong before 🤞

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OonaStubbs · 31/10/2024 17:14

Current odds are 11/18 for Trump and 13/8 for Kamala.

izimbra · 31/10/2024 17:33

GoodGollyMsMolly · 31/10/2024 10:00

Harris’ offensive pitch to women: If you vote GOP, it’s because your man makes you.

How people think this woman is great is a mystery to me. She's a clown.

Trump's offensive pitch to women: vote for me, an adjudicated sex offender, whose VP openly admits to thinking childless women are pathetic, and whose policies increase the chance that you're going to die during pregnancy.

Also - that's not Harris's pitch to women. You should stop getting your news from OAN.

Abhannmor · 31/10/2024 17:43

saltinesandcoffeecups · 30/10/2024 22:54

lol… it’s like the Harry Potter quote…

"You know, Minister, I disagree with Dumbledore on many counts...but you cannot deny he's got style"

This is the motorcade for his rally tonight 🤣

On that note… this thread has been fun. Thanks to all those who I’ve been engaged in discussion with (even you @Wallaw but your still not getting anymore on Granny!), if nothing else you made do quite a bit of research to make sure my facts were right. We may not agree and that’s ok. As long as everyone remembers that there are people behind the “supporters” it will be ok in the long run.

Quite a scarey moment as he tried to open the truck door. Seemed to lose control of his right leg and almost missed the handle. No funny falling over at his weight. Keeps forgetting and mispronouncing simple words as well. I'd say if you vote Trump you're electing Vance. Sight unseen almost.

OonaStubbs · 31/10/2024 18:08

I think Trump winning is very likely unless something very drastic happens between now and Tuesday.

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