So no extra funding for MH conditions or eating disorders just weight loss jabs!

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It’s nuts!

So many people struggling with quite severe MH conditions on massive waiting lists getting nothing.

People dying of EDS. Because there are no inpatient beds and huge waits for treatment but apparantly we can fund weight loss jabs to anybody who wants them. 🤔

Even though we know very little about the long term impact.

I just love how you’re doubling down and ignoring we do know. I guess it doesn’t suit the argument in trying to stop this?😂

I'm just guessing, but I imagine the long term benefit of less obesity in the population would end up as a cost saving. But you're right, MH services are dangerously under resourced.

We do not know. You keep banging on about top up shots, has that been mentioned as part of this scheme? Have they committed to providing these shots for the rest of someone’s life? Have they said at what weight you’d be given them? No, they haven’t, so we don’t know.

Oh my,

I think you need to educate yourself more.
These are not the facts you are posting.

My sister has tried hypnotherapy. She has tried going to the gym. Nothing has had a long term impact on her weight and health. None of that is as easy as you suggest.

Now she's trying the injections. It seems promising. Let's wait and see.

I think it's a good thing that the NHS are looking into them.

So people eat crap and the tax payers cough up?

Oh here we go, the deluge of ignorant threads and posts about this. Anyway, as asked on another thread, if anyone was looking for the 'flood of posts on weightloss jabs all over mumsnet', it's this kind.

The genuine ones are on the appropriate board where they're supposed to be.

You’re comparing oranges and apples OP.

People smoke and the NHS cough up.
People drink (not just addicts, glasses of wine every night are detrimental) and the NHS coughs up.
People speed and crash their cars and the NHS coughs up.
People get piercings and tattoos that get infected and the NHS coughs up.
People take drugs and the NHS coughs up.
People self harm and the NHS cough up.

All self inflicted.
But it's just the fatties that don't deserve treatment?

You you honestly think that people reach 250lbs plus from just being greedy with no other mitigating factors?

This isn't a thread about using weightloss jabs or losing weight though. This is a thread discussing a news report and proposed NHS/Government initiative. That's appropriate for AIBU.

I don't think threads like this should be moved to the weightloss board.

Most of those struggling with obesity have an ED.

From the OP title and this:

People dying of EDS. Because there are no inpatient beds and huge waits for treatment but apparantly we can fund weight loss jabs to anybody who wants them. 🤔
Even though we know very little about the long term impact.

Oh of course this is a thinly veiled thread about the 'ills of weightloss jab' and the taxpayer funding them for the 'lazy fatties'.

I also never said it belongs on that board - it certainly belongs here where it's been put as a klaxon for more wlj discussion as the thread will definitely descend into.

To be fair I do think you’ve accidentally answered your own rage….

Obesity is an eating disorder and a mental health issue. If you look into the reasons people get overweight- you can see a clear cycle.

I say this as someone who struggles with weight and is not lazy or poor and can’t afford decent food.

I exercise daily, eat a healthy well balanced diet , I do have PCOS however. I tried everything diet to lose weight- I’d lose the weight my under eating my calories then go into maintenance calories and ooof 😅 straight back up. Then I went onto Mounjaro - I pay for it myself and woah it’s a game changer! I figure this must be how normal people feel?!

So yeah obesity really isn’t someone say eating cream cakes and stuffing their faces- they’ve found genetic reasons for why some people gain and others don’t. And these drugs could actually save people’s mental health long term and reduce the burden that way.

Probably less than the cost of treating obesity related health issues?

Because people want to be angry at fat people.

Thread after thread has always been how terrible fat people are because of the cost of their fatness to the NHS.

Now we have a much more cost-effective way of managing obesity and not leading to further complications down the line.

So the fat-haters just find a new angle to be angry about fat people.

Boring.

Whereas in reality this jab will save the NHS significant amounts of money in not treating obesity related co-morbidity. That’s all the Gov wants to achieve. It’s not that they’re all heart.

OP, my daughter has anorexia, as did I as a young adult. You don’t seem to understand the relationship between anorexia and obesity. Anorexia isn’t the only ED, and sufferers commonly move between ED’s throughout their lives. Those with anorexia are at a higher risk of future obesity than the general population. If your dd becomes one of those people, you will likely want her to have the help to manage it.

The Minnesota Starvation Study is a good place to start to understand the physiological and psychological effects of food restriction.

Why do people always see public sector workers and "people who eat crap" as a separate entity to taxpayers? Most of us are taxpayers. Most of my taxes are being spent on other people - drivers, other's children and, yes, people who need health treatments. I also seem to partially fund my own salary since I am a public sector worker. So what? That's society. Unless you live sustainable off-grid lifestyle, I am afraid "the taxpayer" pays for you to function in society too. And I would be interested to hear what you had for breakfast today. Was it a raw vegan affair or did you manage to sneak some "crap" cereal in?

The way I read it, and there clearly is a minority of people taking significant and issue, but from what I can see:

people who have struggled all their life to stay slim, successfully but it’s been hard, now thinking everyone can do the same thing, with a drug, whilst they struggle on. any sense of superiority will go. If everyone is slim, is it something to envy, it becomes the norm, but these folks need to keep struggling.

peopke who want the drug, won’t qualify and can’t afford it. Resenting the fact others will get it for free, or even can afford to buy it privately.

there is a lot of these people hoping it won’t work, or the weight will come back on, or that there will be horrible side effects for many, possibly as a way to feel better about it.

overall it’s quite sad, but human nature never fails to disappoint.

And I think the inverse is also true. This is obviously just anecdotal but I spoke to a colleague working in ED a few years ago who said they had a significant number of service users presenting with anorexia nervosa who had previously been morbidly obese then had gastric surgery which was successful so they lost lots of weight but were then having the same urges to eat excessively that they had before, were terrified of going back to their previous way of eating and putting weight back on, so restricted and restricted to the point they tipped over into anorexia and all the cognitions surrounding it.

It remains to be seen if that could be a side-effect of these weight-loss jabs but the early indications suggest it is unlikely as it removes (for many, not all), the urges.

I think you could be right here.

Anecdotally, I was in inpatient treatment with several anorexia patients who had previously been overweight / obese.

I became first bulimic, then obese as an adult.

Oh OP, I've had a severe eating disorder since I was 14. I'm 41 now. From June to October last year I lost just over 6 stone, my hair fell out, I was admitted to hospital for the results of what I was doing and my mental health was and still is on its arse. There is nothing to support me with the cause of it. There is nothing at all for women like me in my area. I'll kill myself with it one day. But I can't dwell on what's fair or what's not fair because it'll never change.

You lost 6 stone in 4 months?

This is part of a massive package of investment by Lilly with the UK Government. It isn't really about tackling mental health problems, it is about Lilly investing in the UK and bringing jobs with it. I'm guessing part of the package is for Lilly to fund a small trial of weightloss injections.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/landmark-collaboration-with-largest-pharmaceutical-company