Jesus Christ will this never end [Content warning: concerns child abuse]

[Hotdogsarevile]

Sorry for the daily mail link but Jesus fucking Christ this is beyond awful

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13958665/sara-sharif-burned-tied-bite-marks-murder-trial.html

when will this ever end?

I expect everyone knows that another judge has issued a gagging order on the press not to reveal the name of the judge or any social workers involved in this case. The fact that Family Courts are allowed to shroud themselves in secret is already wrong.

I'm having problems sleeping after this case. But I had problems sleeping after Baby P, Victoria Climbie, little Daniel and all the others.

They probably don't want vigilantes attacking their family?

There are so many people yearning for a beloved child who can't have one and these people who have a beautiful child abuse and murder them. It's unfathomable. It's why I will never believe in God.

Personally, I can't sleep after hearing about poor little Sara. I went through the same after little Jamie Bulger.

@YourAmplePlumPoster I properly subbed about Isabella last night. Its the stuff of nightmares

I think that judge should be named. I understand about the social workers. But this judge is paid a huge amount of public money. They may still be working. This does matter, and there seem to be serious questions on the quality of his or her judgment. I don’t think anyone on this thread would want this person being in charge of their child’s future. Judges are able to overrule all the evidence and make their own decisions. That comes with a huge responsibility.

The first decision is on appeal. I do not think this judge should be on active service btw and they should be known.

amp.theguardian.com/law/2024/dec/14/moves-to-appeal-after-court-upholds-ban-on-naming-judges-who-presided-over-sara-sharif-hearings

In 2023, a press application to report on the family court proceedings that placed 10-month-old Finley Boden in the care of his parents, who went on to murder him, led to a judgment in which Mrs Justice Lieven ruled that no argument against naming even magistrates could be sustained in the face of the high public interest in freedom of expression and scrutiny of the judiciary.

God Another pair that reminded me. Is this stuff simply being reported more frequently or is there a quantifiable uptick in these cases

It's not about "vigilantism" as another poster suggested but simply about whether these judges are fit to hold office when their judgements lead to the torture and death of innocent children.

Naive social workers and credulous judges. These are people we are paying from our tax. Their role should be protect children, not facilitate their parents from collecting benefits and taking out their adequacies and perversions on them.

This will keep happening though.

I don’t think it will change until there is extant reporting of family law cases in the press. The judiciary in the family court are in effect unaccountable because they make decisions in secret. They are not making reasonable judgments. They are taking risks because it’s a closed shop.

The judiciary blame women rather than support them when it comes to domestic abuse. See;

amp.theguardian.com/law/2024/oct/08/family-court-judges-victim-blaming-language-domestic-abuse-cases-ai-project

Me too. Also Arthur... It's haunting...

Does anyone remember this horrific case that had weird overtones? It's on ITV right now about how the detectives solved the case. Every time I see the media slagging off the police, I just think about cases like this and the sh** they have to deal with and see.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-31730542

You just think, we are a first world country. Why the heck is this happening?

It’s often hard to imagine but sadistic abuse of children is just what it looks like. The abuser is either aroused or gratified by the pain of others. They may be particularly excited by the idea of corrupting a mother against her own child. This isn’t discipline that goes wrong, it’s someone getting off on the abuse.

@bombastix there is reporting of family law cases, following a successful trial a couple of years ago. There has been an exceptional amount shared with the press in relation to Sara's case.

It will never be the same as criminal court, where the public and press can wander in to the public gallery. But to suggest that public law proceedings are shrouded in secrecy is outdated and wrong.

A woman was sentenced today in the states for murdering a two year old she was looking after. Four days and he was dead.

She's got life without parole. And we are giving people twenty years for months of escalating abuse and then pushing a corpse around.

I hate to sound like a shouty DM reader but we've got this wrong.

@TheTwirlyPoos I am in no way a shouty DM reader but I totally agree.

I'm not sure they would deter these vile people, harder sentencing rules, but there at least would be a modicum of justice being done (though nothing in the world can give these poor children their lives back).

I wish people would give their children up if they hate them so much. At least they might be fostered then and given some normal experiences of life. I hadn't read Ayesha's case before. Beyond heartbreaking. Caught up between those two. School holidays again. Wonder if she was on anyone's radar in terms of SW?

Totally agree. Esp for the mothers who will be out in half their sentence time.

The problem was private children’s cases. These are shrouded in secrecy. And it leads to sloppy, lazy juidicial work.

Even now the judge who presided over these proceedings is not named. And yet the precedent set by journalists like Louise Tickle on the family court suggests that the name of this judge should be in the public domain.

The family courts are a disgrace. Not enough judges trained in domestic abuse and its dynamics. Uncredited experts advancing crackpot theories of parental alienation which are only now just being discredited. This is all talked about in whispers. It should be an open debate as to the purpose of the courts and much greater transparency as to private law judges. It looks like a closed shop to me.

I'm sick of hearing about these judges and that ethical ai on the language used by these judges.

We need an over haul

Life should mean life. The Baby P mother was let out then recalled as she was soon up to no good.