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Anyone else just wish these xl bullies would disappear?

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Mayaamelia · 13/10/2024 17:34

I know I’m not the only one and don’t think I am being unreasonable tbh but didn’t know where else to post this.

In the past week or so there have been five serious attacks in the UK but what we have plastered all over the news is the police apologising to a deluded xl bully owner, when he’s the one who failed to do as he’s told.
What kind of message does that send?

The other day armed police were called to Stockport because of a dangerous dog and three people were injured. There’s only one little article about it in the Star. When did this ever used to happen in this country? It’s not normal.

I just don’t see why normal, decent people should have to live in fear of these scumbags and their dangerous dogs. Nothing is being done, how can something be banned if there are exemptions?
When the dogs do attack, the owners get months in prison which is the equivalent to a slap on the wrist.

It’s like being in possession of something worse than a loaded gun or a lion. Nobody’s allowed pepper spray though - you can get 4 years in prison just for carrying it apparently.
If they at least increased the jail time maybe that would deter people from owning these dangerous dogs.

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since1986 · 13/10/2024 22:59

OldTinHat · 13/10/2024 21:19

When I was at secondary school, my mate's mum had a shop and took her breeding bitches there as they whelped.

Non pregnant bitch, no pups in her care. Bitch chomped on a primary aged school girl. A lot of damage, hospital, so on...

Go on - tell me the breed? You'll be surprised.
And I can't be arsed with the guessing games - so here is the breed that ended up being destroyed because of an attack...

A shih tzu.

Yep.

A shih tzu.

Theres a genetic traint in poorly bred Shih Tzus where they become pschotic. It's like cocker rage - and well known by many with experience of them. I have the 2 inch bone deep scar on my forearm to prove it too.

It's why they fell out of favour with breeders in the late 00s.

Theunamedcat · 13/10/2024 23:10

Honestly I do blame dog owners to a certain degree in the last few days I've been aggressively challenged for moving my child away from there "daft and harmless" dog as soon as he started the dig growls at me my son is autistic and unpredictable around dogs ffs
Seen a dog with badly cropped swollen ears very grumpy the owner was allowing his toddler to poke it....
Seen someone letting their child walk a very large grumpy dog around 😒

GoldCat255 · 13/10/2024 23:15

You are not being unreasonable by any stretch of the imagination.
These are vile creatures. I do hope that at some point they vanish for good.

Celticgold · 13/10/2024 23:20

It’s true it is not the dogs fault it is how the dog is treated by its owner. It’s the owners that don’t give them proper training or abuse them to be aggressive that are at fault not the dog. You can’t tar every dog with the same brush!

oakleaffy · 13/10/2024 23:20

Moujojojo · 13/10/2024 19:01

I don't think it is.

About 6 years ago my sister got one as a puppy, it was a lovely pup and she is a really good dog owner.

One day it just went for her son, they weren't even on the same couch. She has no idea what happened.

Luckily it was only 12 months old so she managed to get him off very quickly but she said he just switched and his eyes went like saucers.

He was PTS

XL Bullies are known to ''flip'' completely without warning.

Most in UK are massively inbred, and related to ''Killer Kimbo''

Read about the tragic death of Mia Derouen. aged 4.

the XL Bully was so say ''so sweet with her''...til it flipped and slaughtered her.

It broke down the door to get to her.

blog.dogsbite.org/2014/03/2014-dog-bite-fatality-family-pit-bull-kills-houma-girl.html

oakleaffy · 13/10/2024 23:25

Celticgold · 13/10/2024 23:20

It’s true it is not the dogs fault it is how the dog is treated by its owner. It’s the owners that don’t give them proper training or abuse them to be aggressive that are at fault not the dog. You can’t tar every dog with the same brush!

It's inbreeding- they are bred of fighting stock.

It IS the dog with these XL pit bull types.

They flip without warning.

blog.dogsbite.org/2021/04/classic-pit-bull-attack-characteristics-do-not-change-maine.html

Rubyandscarlett · 13/10/2024 23:26

TheLightSideOfTheMoon · 13/10/2024 18:26

We have a dog problem in this country.

We take the piss out of the US with their ‘right to bear arms’ but were no better with our destructive dogs.

They kill children FFS.

I said this on aibu once about knived and got ripped a new one but l agree 100%

Aprilsund · 13/10/2024 23:28

I hate them. Was a story on the news about the police accidently putting one down recently, didn't feel sorry for the owner at all.

I often see one on my walk home from work and it always pulls on the lead to get to me, really terrifying. No muzzle

MarmiteMakesMeHappy · 13/10/2024 23:42

I hate to agree, but you are right.

About 80% of the XL Bullies I encounter (West London) are being paraded on heavy chain leads as potential weapons, by would-be (and genuine) young gang types.

The other 20% fall into the 'big softie' category and are invariably being walked by kids/women would would have zero chance of brining them under control if they went for someone.

The fact of the matter is that as well as the attack/kill instinct - they are bigger and stronger than their owners, and their jaws lock - fact. I don't think ANY dog that can out-power their owner is wise. Cane Corsos are fucking massive and so are some breeds of mastif. I would include them in my 'unsuitable pets' list.

Prettydisgustedactually · 13/10/2024 23:51

FionnulaTheCooler · 13/10/2024 17:55

Was it not muzzled? I thought they had to be muzzled in public places. Some owners really are beyond stupid, if your dog harasses a horse of course its going to get a kick.

I was walking my two dogs yesterday, when to my absolute horror I saw an XLB running through the wood heading straight to my dogs. The owner was frantically shouting and I literally could not move or speak. I just thought, my dogs are going to die now. I then realised it was muzzled but it was loose and going after my dogs (spaniels) who were screaming in fear. She had an off- lead boxer type which thankfully seemed ok. She kept apologising and got it back on the lead but I was absolutely terrified and went home totally shaken.

hopsalong · 13/10/2024 23:59

Agree with all of those who want a mass cull.

When I was a child we had a big well-built Staffie. (God knows why, really.) They are in theory quite different from XL bullies but our soppy dog also had a tendency to flip and lose its temper with other dogs, though not people thankfully. I hated taking it for a walk as a teenager because there was always a slight chance it would attack, and, even if it didn't, its appearance unnerved people. Was sadly very relieved when it died at 8 or 9.

Superhansrantowindsor · 14/10/2024 06:50

Why do dog owners accept that certain breeds are bred for retrieval or chasing rats etc but can’t accept that the natural instinct in an xl bully is bred for aggression. It’s the bred characteristic. I would like a mass cull and the return of dog licence for all dogs. Compulsory insurance too.

daffodilandtulip · 14/10/2024 07:02

"It's the owner..." yes, but you could give a poodle to a bad owner and it's less likely to go on the rampage killing children in the street.

I was actually thinking when I was out over the weekend, that the whole XL thing had gone quiet. I was assuming it was because they don't walk them in the winter. I'm sad to think it's still going on, but without media coverage nothing will change.

MusicLife80 · 14/10/2024 07:08

I had an incredibly frightening incident when I had taken 5 children to the park regarding an XL. The owner had it off its lead. We were in a fenced playground. I was petrified as I thought what if it jumps the fence, it was also kind of ‘stalking’ the fence too. The owner was on her phone and oblivious. I called my husband who told be to just wait until they’ve passed and then leave the park. He started driving towards the park to help.

Petrifying.

Puffinlamb23 · 14/10/2024 07:12

ZippyLimeSnake · 13/10/2024 18:53

Please don’t come at me for what I am about to say.. But in a lot of cases it is the owner not the breed, I have an XL Bully and honestly he is the biggest dope and all he wants is for you or anyone to just love him. Yes they’re powerful and sadly for them they did eventually become a status dog and fall into the wrong hands. Unfortunately the media also only like to ever tell you when an XL bully has attacked where as other dog attacks the breed is nearly always never stated another thing I have come to notice is that not always if the breed correct when they state it’s been an XL bully, there have been occasions where it’s actually a mix breed. It is sad the dogs and us owners have gotten a bad rep as a lot of us and our dogs are really not bad. None of us wanted our dogs to become banned and put under the dangerous dog act as a lot of our dogs are not dangerous and to be entirely honest banning a breed doesn’t sort out the issue as another dog will eventually become a status dog. Cane Corso have been extremely popular since the XL ban. What does need to happen is some form of license for people to own any breed of dog as they all pose a risk an XL isn’t the only dog to ever of killed someone and they won’t be last.

I am not being biased as I totally agree these dogs are strong and yes can totally be dangerous with the wrong owners but getting completely rid of one breed will not stop another taking its place.

How many owners murdered by these dogs said the same thing about their own precious mutt? Don't be naive, you're playing with fire. They're atrocious animals and it is a disgrace that the government has allowed exemptions!

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 14/10/2024 07:21

The other day armed police were called to Stockport because of a dangerous dog and three people were injured

By the police or the dog?

When the dogs do attack, the owners get months in prison which is the equivalent to a slap on the wrist

Well instead of sending people to overcrowded prisons for months on end, at huge public cost, perhaps judges could just sentence people to be slapped on the wrist instead if there is no material difference. It would help solve a lot of problems.

BitOutOfPractice · 14/10/2024 07:23

OldTinHat · 13/10/2024 21:19

When I was at secondary school, my mate's mum had a shop and took her breeding bitches there as they whelped.

Non pregnant bitch, no pups in her care. Bitch chomped on a primary aged school girl. A lot of damage, hospital, so on...

Go on - tell me the breed? You'll be surprised.
And I can't be arsed with the guessing games - so here is the breed that ended up being destroyed because of an attack...

A shih tzu.

Yep.

A shih tzu.

So? We all know that any breed can and will bite. My sister was bitten on the face by a sausage dog she bent down to pet.

But what do you think would’ve happened to the girl in your story if that dog has been an XL?

Myfluffyblanket · 14/10/2024 07:28

MugPlate · 13/10/2024 19:19

Google “Toadline bulldogs” and tell me we’re a nation of dog lovers.

Crikey , that is simultaneously tragic and cruel .
There are some sick people out there and I am reminded of the novel The Isle of Doctor Moreau .

ChangedmyMindNotUsingMyRealName · 14/10/2024 07:28

Machiavellian · 13/10/2024 17:52

All pets are an ethical minefield. I don't think they should be allowed full stop.

I do sometimes feel bad about my cats quality of life being indoors. But I don't see the problem if they could go outside

normanprice62 · 14/10/2024 07:31

I'd support a law in that all dogs must be kept on a lead in public spaces unless it's a special fenced off area. I'm sick of dog owners letting their dogs do whatever they want. I don't want any dog jumping up at me or my child, no matter the breed. I agree some breeds particularly xl bullies and similar shouldn't exist at all. There's no need to have a dog that's that strong and capable of killing someone.

BlusteryLake · 14/10/2024 07:38

Unfortunately for these dogs it is both the owner and the breed. Extremely powerful and aggressive dog, in the hands of inappropriate and /or antisocial owners is never going to work.

And yes, the breed does matter. My sister has recently rescued a miniature dachshund from a terrible life. The dog has never been trained and will need a lot of work, which she is doing. The point is, the dog is aggressive and poorly behaved, but weighs about 4kg. If he goes for anyone, they are not going to die.

WhitstablePearl · 14/10/2024 07:43

@ZippyLimeSnake Genuine question- why did you choose an XLB?

HRTQueen · 14/10/2024 07:45

Alucard55 · 13/10/2024 22:17

I genuinely don't understand this thinking. I do agree we need tougher restrictions on dog ownership etc. but men harm much more people (women, men and children) than dogs of any breed do. Do we put all men down?

I really do not know how to reply to such a ridiculous response how old are you 15?

you can not equate human behaviour to dogs behaviour as we are different species maybe thats a start ….

Christ the comments made when discussing dangerous dogs never fails to amaze me

ThatsNotMyTeen · 14/10/2024 07:54

Prettydisgustedactually · 13/10/2024 23:51

I was walking my two dogs yesterday, when to my absolute horror I saw an XLB running through the wood heading straight to my dogs. The owner was frantically shouting and I literally could not move or speak. I just thought, my dogs are going to die now. I then realised it was muzzled but it was loose and going after my dogs (spaniels) who were screaming in fear. She had an off- lead boxer type which thankfully seemed ok. She kept apologising and got it back on the lead but I was absolutely terrified and went home totally shaken.

That’s terrifying x

Alucard55 · 14/10/2024 07:54

HRTQueen · 14/10/2024 07:45

I really do not know how to reply to such a ridiculous response how old are you 15?

you can not equate human behaviour to dogs behaviour as we are different species maybe thats a start ….

Christ the comments made when discussing dangerous dogs never fails to amaze me

41 and men as a species do more harm than dogs ever do. Example - breeding dogs to be this way.