Anyone else just wish these xl bullies would disappear?

[Mayaamelia]

I know I’m not the only one and don’t think I am being unreasonable tbh but didn’t know where else to post this.

In the past week or so there have been five serious attacks in the UK but what we have plastered all over the news is the police apologising to a deluded xl bully owner, when he’s the one who failed to do as he’s told.
What kind of message does that send?

The other day armed police were called to Stockport because of a dangerous dog and three people were injured. There’s only one little article about it in the Star. When did this ever used to happen in this country? It’s not normal.

I just don’t see why normal, decent people should have to live in fear of these scumbags and their dangerous dogs. Nothing is being done, how can something be banned if there are exemptions?
When the dogs do attack, the owners get months in prison which is the equivalent to a slap on the wrist.

It’s like being in possession of something worse than a loaded gun or a lion. Nobody’s allowed pepper spray though - you can get 4 years in prison just for carrying it apparently.
If they at least increased the jail time maybe that would deter people from owning these dangerous dogs.

Who cares about class she means IQ

Oh dear how will she explain that one, I mean, those of us who are educated and live on council estates (many of us in bought outright houses for the record) are surely not to be heard of in her opinion.

Don't worry, we know exactly what she meant

I agree, BUT you shouldn't be implying that these dogs are only owned by certain people, as people from all walks of life (and different occupations) also own them.

You can be 'intelligent' academically, but still have zero common sense and no responsibility. And the opposite is also true.

That response was meant for Autumnleaves

Although statistically you’re more likely to be attacked by a human, that person is generally not going to rip your face off, tear your throat out or bite a limb off!

I'm so sick of having to keep a look our for these dogs when I'm out with my child. With no hope of fighting it off if one attacks. Everyone who owns one is an idiot and or evil. I will never respect the rspca again for lobbying against the ban.
The ban hasn't worked as there are attacks weekly. Can we collectively as Mumsnet try to do something about this?

@Babycatsarenice , it’s so frightening isn’t it ? There is guy near me who has two of the ghastly creatures, I cross the road to avoid him

Society has become too tolerant. In times past a person exposing children to a dangerous animal would've faced from their local community - verbal abuse and ostracisation which may have escalated to damage to property, threats or the animal being killed if a quiet opportunity came up. Paedophiles used to be run out of town, their life made so hellish that they couldn't stay.

We've been conditioned over the last couple of generations to accept everything and anything under the name of tolerance, and evil people take advantage of that.
It is not civilised and it is not progress.

I totally agree and it's also that we are afraid to tell someone off as we are afraid of violence. We don't have a sense of collective community and also we are afraid as anyone could pull out a knife/ set a dog on us

I've had an experience tonight which correlates - 2 people walking 2 Boxer type dogs (they were bigger than boxers I've seen before so not sure if they were just big boxers or crosses, but definitely had a boxer face, maybe a mastiff cross) one of mine can be reactive, but with work she'll now walk past other dogs without reacting, she does react when she feels under threat - if a dog lunges, is aggressive barking etc.
Single track lane wide enough for one car, they went up on to the grass verge and stopped, a little way apart, I crossed the lane so I was on the opposite side and put the reactive dog on the other side of me and carried on walking, got past the first one and no reaction from mine just keep walking, second dog however drags the woman across to the centre of the lane barking and lunging, my reactive dog, well, reacts and barks back but I keep her walking forward with the lead and to concentrate on me and she does. Out of the corner of my eye this woman is still being dragged along by this dog, behind us. She clearly isn't strong enough to physically hold it when it's as reactive as that, which is half the problem really - that dog was probably 'just' dog reactive, and wouldn't react that way to a person, and she managed somehow to stay on her feet and keep hold of it. But she clearly wasn't strong enough to hold it securely physically. I've every sympathy with people walking reactive dogs, one of mine is, but I'm stronger than she is and there's no way she'd be able to drag me like that.

It was bigger than both of mine, I dread to think what would have happened had she let go or it pulled her over. A fight definitely and injured dogs, probably injured people. Doesn't bear thinking about if I'd had a child with me, in the middle of all that, and it's a popular walking spot where people do take their dogs & children together for a walk. Irresponsible.

Indeed.

I know somebody who's a secondary school teacher who has an imported rescue cane corso, complete with cropped ears. She must have got it when she was either pregnant or with a small baby and had another 3 year old child. She can't walk it as it's too strong. It's HUGE. Total madness.

@CellophaneFlower that is mad. Hope those children are ok. So does the dog not get walked at all? That can’t be good for the situation

That's the thing class doesn't necessarily you have a sharp or level mind

I assume her husband walks it, but I wouldn't know how much.

Apparently they went on holiday for a week, leaving it alone with just a neighbour to pop in and feed it. That bit is just hearsay though 🤷‍♀️

I can actually see no reason why they opted for a dog with so many red flags. You'd never assume it of them unless you'd been to their house. Not even that her husband works nights and it's for protection (not that that would make it ok!). She doesn't mention having a dog at all in conversation, first I knew was when I went to her house and she warned me she had a very large, boisterous dog. I actually laughed and said i was a bit of a dog whisperer.... then I saw it. She shut it in the garden at one point and it opened the back door. I had to push it shut and hold the handle to keep it out till she could lock it.

I don't know the husband really so can only assume it was his choice and she has zero common sense. She is such a switched on/assertive person in general though. It's mind blowing.

@CellophaneFlower , I will probably get flamed for this , but I have seen people lose all common sense , when it comes to rescue dogs .

So what class is a secondary school teacher? Middle class just because they're a teacher?Some of the teachers I see look quite "chavvy" in all honesty.

I'm guessing it wasn't Lens...never seen a place with so much dog crap everywhere

Yeah I would say middle class regardless

The ban hasn't worked as there are attacks weekly.

It’s a pathetic ‘ban’ IMHO. I’d not expect 55k of the things to still exist, should’ve been 100% PTS.

Pulling up on a slip lead will not stop a dog attack. What you need to do is render the dog unconscious by strangling it with a stick through its collar then twisting. Assuming it's wearing a collar. You need powerful grip/arms to do it

Again, it took my dad (who is six foot odd and made his living as a bricklayer) smashing the dog's head in with a sledgehammer to stop it killing my dog. And that was only a standard Pitbull. It takes a lot longer than you'd think to strangle something unconscious.

Licences should be needed for dog ownership, training classes (even the short KC puppy course) should be mandatory and if not insured there should be evidence of means to pay for unexpected vet bills.

Not that it could ever happen.

I've worked in rescue and boarding kennels, 9/10 xls are owned by the wrong sort or person and cannot control their pet. Cane corsos will be the next breed in the spotlight. I do personal protection training with one of my dogs. It's always a newbie turning up with an XL or corso who wants protection training but has zero obedience.

Met my first Cane Corso today, he was huge! Like a super muscly beast the size of a Great Dane. Very intimidating looking.

He was a well socialised, well trained boy but I'd hate to think about what one that wasn't could potentially do.

Yeah they do look a bit big and scary, I wouldn’t want to be on the wrong side of one!
Even if xl bullies did somehow disappear I think Cane Corsos would end up being the next problem.
I came across another article yesterday where armed police were called to a street in Manchester after a Cane Corso had bit someone - apparently it was my family who sent the pictures to The Mirror!