To think that gay and lesbian people should be able to have a conference in peace

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Transactivists have tried to disrupt the LGBA conference by releasing insects into the venue. It's disgusting . Because they don't think gay men and lesbians should be allowed to meet peacefully without them.

No one is stopping transpeople from having events by themselves, why shouldn't gay men and lesbians be able to meet if that's what they want to do? It's just repackaged homophobia - same sex attracted people aren't allowed to have their own conference.

https://x.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1844763982453670350

Then could you please present evidence that directly counters the Cass Report. And please, do make sure you send a copy of that evidence to Dr Cass, and also to the Swedish and Finnish governments and the German research team that also have agreed that currently there is very weak evidence that the current affirming only treatments for children are improving the mental health of those children receiving those treatments.

This. Look forward to this.

I am saying that it is transphobic to be transphobic. Whether you are gay, straight or otherwise.

HTH.

Then why was their whole conference directed against trans women, rather than the actual sources of oppression with all LGBT people share? Would they continue to exist if there were not transgender people? We know what the foundational purpose of the LGB Alliance is.

They asked 12 questions of politicians, supposedly in support of LGB rights. Every single one of them are atacks on transgender people.

They exist solely to attack trans rights. Read the questions yourself. I am sure you agree with the premise of them - but none of them don't refer to transgender people.

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I am saying that it is transphobic to be transphobic.

That's a circular statement HTH

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No. This is a narrative made up by people like the LGBA to spread transphobia.

I'd rather trust Hilary Cass on that to be honest.

And the Tavistock wankers, who joked that all their child patients were gay and that they were transing away the gay.

We know what the foundational purpose of the LGB Alliance is.

Yes, I've explained it above. To provide an alternative for LGB people who were concerned about the direction Stonewall etc were taking. The Charity Commission hearing judgment is clear that is a perfectly reasonable basis for an LGB charity.

Which Mermaids and "Good" Law Project spuriously brought, and ignominiously lost.

Ha.

Well I explained exactly why the statements were transphobic and you (or another pp) went off on a long waffle about how I was denying gay people's experience.

So I was clarifying that if you say something transphobic, it's transphobic regardless of the sexual identity of the person who said it.

Over the last few pages, the goalposts have been moved from the own goal position (''gay people are transphobic'') to ''they are all straight and lying about gay to get away with being transphobic'' to a circular argument that makes even less sense.

Well I explained exactly why the statements were transphobic and you (or another pp) went off on a long waffle about how I was denying gay people's experience.

Yes, obviously it's homophobia to do so.

Oh... so you trust one survey they did where they did not force respondents to answer one year, over another survey they did on another year.

I believe though, that the other survey was presented to the Charities Commission. Or is that not 'courty' enough for you to consider the evidence valid by? For you, it has to be the Allison Bailey employment tribunal and no other court case will be valid enough for this information to be considered accurate?

Good to know. I am sure that readers will consider how credible your interpretation is in all their future considerations of your posts.

Because perhaps they feel oppressed and marginalised by trans people and it is reasonable for them to want to discuss these issues.

for instance, no one but trans activists is pushing to change the definitions of sexualities. We have covered this in this thread. It is reasonable for them to discuss this issue surely?

out of curiousoty what do you mean by ‘trans rights’? How are they different to non trans rights?

I am saying that it is transphobic to be transphobic. Whether you are gay, straight or otherwise.

Well, that's us told! No need for evidence, just a pronouncement; the Oracle has spoken!

Mind you, the Pythoness made more sense, to be fair.

Regardless of the sexual orientation or gender identity of the person who does.

I believe though, that the other survey was presented to the Charities Commission. Or is that not 'courty' enough for you to consider the evidence valid by? For you, it has to be the Allison Bailey employment tribunal and no other court case will be valid enough for this information to be considered accurate?

Good to know. I am sure that readers will consider how credible your interpretation is in all their future considerations of your posts.

👏 well spotted

Well there is much I disagree with in the Cass review, but all that aside, all Cass concluded was that there was a lack of evidence that gender affirming interventions improve mental health outcomes, and that more research was needed. A lack of high quality studies. THat's all.

Absence of evidence, is not evidence of absence.

Cass certainly didn't say that trans experience , or recognition of gender , was rooted in 'harmful, unscientific, ideologies' , and an existential threat to gay children - she said quite the opposite. Have you read the whole report?

If I were a trans rights activist, and the best people to put my case were the ones on this thread, I'd pack it all in now.

Because perhaps they feel oppressed and marginalised by trans people

Yeh cos they're transphobic!

Like all the MRAs who feel oppressed by feminism and feminists.
And the white people who feel oppressed by the black lives matter movement.

Well there is much I disagree with in the Cass review,

As requested, please present your case.

Far too much for a mumsnet post and not necessary for the debate on this thread.

I'm sure that is surprising to precisely no one with even a passing acquaintance of trans rights activists and their supporters and general hangers on.

This was in 2019. And at that time, maybe the first thing they felt they needed to tackle was the negative impacts on LGB people, female people (because lesbians and female bisexual people are a significant part of LGB) and children?

Since then they have done other things. Such as set up a helpline for LGB people.

And they don't exclude transgender people from their support or from their conferences. Because they have transgender people supporting them.

How about you start a thread especially for it?

Please post all your evidence that you have found convincing.

Far too much for a mumsnet post

Maybe join a relevant thread to educate us on it. I'm sure we could all do with your expert analysis.

Maybe I will when I find the time.

And furthermore it is relevant because LGB Alliance is being accused of campaigning against the transitioning of children by posters here.