To think that gay and lesbian people should be able to have a conference in peace

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Transactivists have tried to disrupt the LGBA conference by releasing insects into the venue. It's disgusting . Because they don't think gay men and lesbians should be allowed to meet peacefully without them.

No one is stopping transpeople from having events by themselves, why shouldn't gay men and lesbians be able to meet if that's what they want to do? It's just repackaged homophobia - same sex attracted people aren't allowed to have their own conference.

https://x.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1844763982453670350

"However, even among those willing to date trans persons, a pattern of masculine privileging and transfeminine exclusion appeared, such that participants were disproportionately willing to date trans men, but not trans women, even if doing so was counter to their self-identified sexual and gender identity (e.g., a lesbian dating a trans man but not a trans woman). The results are discussed within the context of the implications for trans persons seeking romantic relationships and the pervasiveness of cisgenderism and transmisogyny."

It's all back to front and up is down of course. What they are saying is that the trans- supportive lesbians tended to want to date "trans men" rather than "trans women"

Which you might expect.

such that participants were disproportionately willing to date trans men, but not trans women, even if doing so was counter to their self-identified sexual and gender identity

the key word is “disproportionately” though. We don’t know what the reference point for this statement is.

What they are saying is that the trans- supportive lesbians tended to want to date "trans men" rather than "trans women"

Not actually even 'tended to want', it's 'would consider'.

What can be firmly concluded is that the vast majority of people will not consider dating outside of their sexual preference, and whilst interesting, the study is a distraction.

What can be firmly concluded is that the vast majority of people will not consider dating outside of their sexual preference

Another completely tautological / self evident statement. Of course people won’t consider dating outside of their sexual preference.

What is your point then exactly, as we seem to agree on most things.

Why are we transphobic?

My point is and always has been that the LGBA is a transphobic organisation, and that therefore protesting their conference is perfectly legitimate and has nothing to do with homophobia.
(Although I don’t agree with the method , and it makes sense that these were the actions of a few teenagers).

A gay man who tells a trans man that he doesn’t fancy him cos he’s gay, is an arsehole- same at the fat example above.

Wow. If a gay man doesn't fancy a woman who is living their life as a male stereotype, he is an 'arsehole'.
I expect you apply this same non-logic to lesbian women.

And this is exactly why LGBA needs support and protection from this dangerous and aggressive rhetoric.

Wow. If a gay man doesn't fancy a woman who is living their life as a male stereotype, he is an 'arsehole'.

Nope. Not what I said at all. Read the thread

And this is exactly why LGBA needs support and protection from this dangerous and aggressive rhetoric.

Which, after 840 odd posts, is precisely what I'm taking from this thread. So thank you @PiggleToes.

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None of us are under any obligation to agree that 'gender' trumps sex. In any circumstances.

No matter how much people like @PiggleToes try to bully, emotionally blackmail, gaslight or bludgeon people into submission.

No matter how much people like try to bully, emotionally blackmail, gaslight or bludgeon people into submission.

what ridiculous slander.
And again I’m not the one making declarations about what (and who) “trumps” what (and who),

But why? Why are we transphobic?

Not slander and my point stands. I'm a sex realist, always have been and always will be baby.

This is exactly what you said:

A gay man who tells a trans man that he doesn’t fancy him cos he’s gay, is an arsehole- same at the fat example above.

I quoted you directly and replied directly to your post.

This IS what you said.

Are you part of the LGBA?

Ok I'll repeat myself. The LGBA are a transphobic organisation because they were specifically set up to oppose/ target transgender inclusion , rights, healthcare, etc.

Specific examples of transphobic statements on this website are - under why we exist:*

*Now there is a new type of homophobia in the UK that the established LGBTQ+ groups are failing to tackle and, in many cases, are actually making worse.
They promote the idea that gender, the way you feel or dress, is more important than biological sex. As lesbians, gay men and bisexuals.... we can no longer name or describe the discrimination we face and, therefore... our hard-won rights can be dismantled.

We work to protect children from harmful, unscientific ideologies that may lead them to believe either their personality or their body is in need of changing

These statements de-legitimise and mis-characterise trans experience. They present trans experience as something 'made up' {unscientific), threatening and inherently harmful to LGB people and to children (also women of course - lots of other statements to that effect. They present recognition of trans identities as a type of 'homophobia' that is eroding the rights of LGB people.

All of this is deeply wrong, profoundly harmful, and grounded in prejudice and fear of trans people.

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This thread has lasted a lot longer than my one (on the same subject) did.

I think the Bat(shit) Signal went off early.

Gender Fluid Sausage Dog sounds like a punk band, or a Mark E. Smith song.

Yes that is what I said.
You then said it means Wow. If a gay man doesn't fancy a woman who is living their life as a male stereotype, he is an 'arsehole'.
It does not mean anything of the sort. Which is clear if you read the thread and have basic comprehension skills.

People can fancy whoever they want for whatever reason they want. But there is no need to misgender a trans person to their face - that's just being an arsehole.

Don't fancy someone cos they are fat, ugly, disabled, trans, a simple "no I'm not interested" will suffice, no need to say "I don't fancy you because you are [insert hurtful remark]". Then you are just an arsehole. Get it?

While LGB Alliance have made a big song and dance about being primarily an LGB organisation, in court, where they have to tell the truth, they admitted that only 7% of their membership were LGB. They are at the very least anti-trans and recognised by many as a transphobic hate group. One of their founders (a right wing heterosexual man) said that he "[doesn't] see the point of LGBT clubs in schools" and cited a risk of "predatory gay teachers". Unsurpisingly, it's office is at 55 Tufton Street.

Where they talking about LGB rights at the conference? No - every single speaker was attacking transgender people. If transgender people did not exist, then LGB Alliance would not exist.

They are supported by right-wing commentators and politicians such as Andy Ngo, because dividing the LGBT community is just step one, and the next step is obvious. They are useful idiots for the anti-LGBT right, who have made transphobia their whole personality.

Gender critical feminists are desparately trying to suggest that the perpeatrators were men or trans women, because it goes against their world view to accept that the vast majority of LGBT people (including women) and women's organisations support trans rights.

Omg thank you and welcome to this thread 😅

PiggleToes · Today 10:35

But no one ever suggested that most lesbians want to sleep with trans women. Only that some lesbians do.

You claimed that large numbers do, as you will recall.