To think that gay and lesbian people should be able to have a conference in peace

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Transactivists have tried to disrupt the LGBA conference by releasing insects into the venue. It's disgusting . Because they don't think gay men and lesbians should be allowed to meet peacefully without them.

No one is stopping transpeople from having events by themselves, why shouldn't gay men and lesbians be able to meet if that's what they want to do? It's just repackaged homophobia - same sex attracted people aren't allowed to have their own conference.

https://x.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1844763982453670350

Ereshkigalangcleg · Today 10:21

They're specifically "cis" lesbians. Which demonstrates that most genderists know perfectly well what a woman is, and a lesbian.

Thank you for clarifying that. And yes, it does rather, doesn't it?

I think that in PiggleToes' view, a lesbian is someone (of either sex) who thinks they are a woman and who is attracted to other people (of either sex) who think they are women. Switch about for a gay man. It doesn't matter to PiggleToes what sex anyone actually is.

And - I think! - in PiggleToes' view a transphobe is anyone who thinks it makes a difference what sex other people are. Which makes just everybody in the world a transphobe except PiggleToes and a few of their friends.

But perhaps I have misunderstood PiggleToes and ascribed to them views that they don't actually have.

How do the results you describe counter this claim ?

Because most lesbians don't want to sleep with "trans women" as a group of males.

They aren't

Link to the actual study plus quoting the abstract

The current study sought to describe the demographic characteristics of individuals who are willing to consider a transgender individual as a potential dating partner. Participants (N = 958) from a larger study on relationship decision-making processes were asked to select all potential genders that they would consider dating if ever seeking a future romantic partner. The options provided included cisgender men, cisgender women, trans men, trans women, and genderqueer individuals. Across a sample of heterosexual, lesbian, gay, bisexual, queer, and trans individuals, 87.5% indicated that they would not consider dating a trans person, with cisgender heterosexual men and women being most likely to exclude trans persons from their potential dating pool. Individuals identifying as bisexual, queer, trans, or non-binary were most likely to indicate a willingness to date a trans person. However, even among those willing to date trans persons, a pattern of masculine privileging and transfeminine exclusion appeared, such that participants were disproportionately willing to date trans men, but not trans women, even if doing so was counter to their self-identified sexual and gender identity (e.g., a lesbian dating a trans man but not a trans woman). The results are discussed within the context of the implications for trans persons seeking romantic relationships and the pervasiveness of cisgenderism and transmisogyny.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0265407518779139?journalCode=spra

So, straight men and lesbians are slightly more likely to choose a transman (female) partner, but still unlikely to choose a transw (male) partner, if I've understood it properly.

which means ultimately there are no categories of sexuality anymore and basically everyone should be up for dating anyone and we shouldn’t have any preference as to the type of bodies we prefer.
I honestly find it all very confusing!

But no one ever suggested that most lesbians want to sleep with trans women. Only that some lesbians do.

Most heterosexual women also don’t want to sleep with trans women , does that logically mean that most heterosexual women think trans women are female?

Nah it’s definitely coming from all sides.

It's a veritable word salad bin fire.

Where did the 9% of US lesbians come from?

Where did the 9% of US lesbians come from?

It's my remembrance that is the actual percentage of lesbian women in the study who would consider a "trans woman" as a partner. I think the others who were interested in any trans people at all were willing to consider a "trans man".

I think I had journal access back when I first read the study, or could access the granular data somehow.

All people should have a conference without interference.

Nah it’s definitely coming from all sides.

So you do agree that males saying that lesbians should be attracted to them because they are "women" and to not do so is "transphobic" has incel energy then?

You do agree that a male person identifying as a woman running a workshop on how to overcome lesbians' reluctance to sleep with them because of their sex aka their "transmisogyny", kind of has an incel vibe?

Including the kkk?

So, straight men and lesbians are slightly more likely to choose a transman (female) partner, but still unlikely to choose a transw (male) partner, if I've understood it properly.

Yes, the abstract mentions the "transmisogynist" bias in society or whatever.

We should examine the wording and the context.

The percentage is of lesbian women who say in a survey that they would consider a "trans woman" as a partner.

In saying that they might very well be performing "allyship". Whether any of them would actually have sex with a transwoman, we cannot possibly know.

In saying that they might very well be performing "allyship". Whether any of them would actually have sex with a transwoman, we cannot possibly know.

Indeed.

Didn’t earlier you quote some finding that said that just under half (of those who would date a trans person) said they would date a trans person’s whose gender did not correspond to their sexual orientation?

Probably not your preferred bar, but when I was younger, maybe early 2000s, I used to love dancing at Vanilla. Met some beautiful people and it always felt very safe. I can't remember there ever really being men in there (maybe a handful who'd been dragged in and looked a bit confused). I do wonder how it is now - might not exist!

Ah ok. I think it says 29%.

Of course that's not 29% of all lesbians, that's 29% of 'lesbian' respondents of a very niche and biased study.

It probably equates to about 9 women from the whole study.

I remember it well from that period also, was a great bar and was always made to feel very welcome by the girls in there, however back then it was a privilege to be let in if you were a man with a lesbian friend as it was really a female only bar, there was another lesbian bar called coyotes that was more open to everyone (as long as you were happy and respectful). It was a great area back then, not sure what it’s like these days.

Ah ok. I think it says 29%.

It's 29% who would consider sleeping with a "trans person" of either sex.

Didn’t earlier you quote some finding that said that just under half (of those who would date a trans person) said they would date a trans person’s whose gender did not correspond to their sexual orientation?

You'd need the full breakdown to say what proportions of those were "trans women" and which were lesbians and straight men. The abstract is clear that they consider that it favours "trans men".

Any reason why you haven't the bisexuality community within your title or post?

the point where they flipped into intimidation, threats and actual violence is where it becomes criminal and should be handled as such.

Saying "guess which side does that" is reductive and unhelpful.

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So the "gender is real crowd" will happily become violent, intimidating - and it must be acknowledged that this gang often has a fair few men in it trying to frighten women, not a good luck whatever your protest is - throw their own piss about and when we say the GC crowd do not do this, that's a reductive and unhelpful fact?!!!

What difference in protest style can we point out?