To think that gay and lesbian people should be able to have a conference in peace

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Transactivists have tried to disrupt the LGBA conference by releasing insects into the venue. It's disgusting . Because they don't think gay men and lesbians should be allowed to meet peacefully without them.

No one is stopping transpeople from having events by themselves, why shouldn't gay men and lesbians be able to meet if that's what they want to do? It's just repackaged homophobia - same sex attracted people aren't allowed to have their own conference.

https://x.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1844763982453670350

There is absolutely NOTHING transphobic about that statement.

You may not like it. You may not agree with it, and that's ok. But there is nothing transphobic about it.

We're back to the beginning of this thread finally, where you were repeatedly asked questions about your position and your statements which you adamantly ignored and refused to answer.

I've repeatedly mentioned the children with gender dysphoria who were referred to the Tavistock who turned out to be same sex attracted and who, when left to their own devices without intervention grow up to be perfectly healthy and happy GAY ADULTS.

Do you think we shouldn't be concerned about that?

Releasing insects is dehumanising and I doubt you’d welcome it at an event you support.

It’s the same with violence and abuse which women do often have aimed at us. People who support those actions and rhetoric are part of this major issue.

yes, large numbers do. there are how many lesbians in the world? Even if only 1% of those are attracted to some trans women, that's large f'ing numbers of people. And the available research suggests the % is much much higher than that.

Sexual orientation is not prejudice, and it is homophobic to say that gay people are prejudiced against either straight people or trans people.

Everything about those statements is transphobic.

They present trans experience as something 'made up' {unscientific), threatening and inherently harmful to LGB people and to children (also women of course - lots of other statements to that effect. They present recognition of trans identities as a type of 'homophobia' that is eroding the rights of LGB people.

Sexual orientation is not prejudice, and it is homophobic to say that gay people are prejudiced against either straight people or trans people.

This.

Trans people are a distinct demographic, and need to stop demanding other demographics change their sexual orientation and language to accommodate them.

So gay people can't possibly hold any prejudice by virtue of the fact they are gay?
If you suggest that some gay people hold prejudiced views against other groups of people (because they have made prejudiced statements) then you are automatically homophobic for calling out this prejudice?

Bizarre

What about the gay kids at the Tavistock? Are you not concerned about them??

I've asked you repeatedly.

they admitted that only 7% of their membership were LGB

This fake news has been debunked a million times. LGBA are not a membership organisation and this refers to a throwaway question they asked on their newsletter, which most people didn't answer.

Please. 🙄

@PiggleToes think this through. It is correct

Sexual orientation is not prejudice

What are you asking me? Do I think there is a problem in this country with gay children receiving healthcare interventions for trans children, because families and healthcare professionals are mistaking gay children for trans children?

No. This is a narrative made up by people like the LGBA to spread transphobia.

Back in the 80s, effeminate boys used to be referred to the Tavistock for psychological interventions designed to reorient them towards more traditional, masculine, gender roles. Some of these boys grew up to be gay men. Luckily this is no longer a thing.

Many actual witness accounts on the FWR thread, rather than TRA fake news.

LGB Alliance conference disrupted by TRAs www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/5185250-lgb-alliance-conference-disrupted-by-tras

Nobody ever said it was.

However, people's sexual attraction and dating behaviour can absolutely be influenced by different types of prejudice (racism, ableism, misogyny, fat-phobia, transphobia).

LGBA is an 'alliance' to support lesbian, gay and bisexual people.

The clue is in the name.

I am a heterosexual woman and I joined LGBA last night in a show of support.
My mother is a lesbian, as are 8 of my work colleagues. I want them to feel safe, protected and supported. I want the issues that relate directly to their defined (in law) sexualities to be raised, discussed and mitigated.

I actually hope a whole sway, millions, of heterosexual people join/subscribe to the LGBA to show their support.

(Y'know - like the millions of employees that are required to work under the new Stonewalls doctrine (most of those are heterosexual😉))

JHound · Today 10:36

+ + it’s incel babble to link support and ally ship to who you have sex with.
^ the "incel babble" isn't coming from gender critical feminist women and gay and lesbian people, but from males who identify as lesbians who demand that genuine lesbians can't be open that they don't want to sleep with men. + +^

Nah it’s definitely coming from all sides.

There you go Eresh, you're incel babbling like a good 'un! Of course, that make perfect sense, if you believe that men are lesbians, or the Earth is carried on a giant turtle.

😂

From @Helleofabore on the FWR thread.

Reader's note:

LGB Alliance & the 7% misrepresentation

This is a statement released by LGB Alliance about that 7% statement made in court.

One particularly sticky myth is that only 7% of LGB Alliance supporters are lesbians. Here’s how that started:

"We were delighted to be able to support Allison Bailey at her tribunal in the form of a witness statement to help prove that gender critical people are likely to be women and lesbians. As part of that we shared some numbers from our newsletter subscriber list.

We used Mailchimp to send our newsletter and when we set up our account in 2019 we added some subscriber questions which, as it turned out, provided us with ambiguous data.

We asked people whether they were lesbian, whether they were lesbian/gay or if they preferred not to say. The flaws being that we couldn’t tell whether those who ticked lesbian/gay were men or women and that none of the fields were compulsory – so many people skipped them altogether.

The result was that we had 4,502 newsletter subscribers and 316 ticked the box describing themselves as lesbian. That’s 7% of the total. A further 949 ticked the box lesbian/gay and 1,427 were unspecified or preferred not to say. Based on that data that means that between 316 (7%) and 2,376 (53%) of our subscribers were lesbian.

The 7% figure was used in court because it’s important that evidence is based on provable fact and it is a fact that, at a minimum, 7% of our subscribers were lesbians. However, common sense told us that that number was really much higher.

In August 2022 we commissioned a survey of our subscribers to help us plan to deliver services and support to LGB people. One of the questions we asked was about sexual orientation. That data showed that 34% are lesbian, 33% are gay men, 12% are bisexual, 20% are heterosexual and 1% preferred not to say. We are satisfied that this data is robust."

From @Sazzasez

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It was not revealed but claimed.

A claim that falls down the moment you check whether LGBAlliance is a membership organisation.

it isn’t.

If it was, this bi woman would have joined.

I was there, chatting to some brilliant lesbians & gay men…

DadJoke · Today 12:04

While LGB Alliance have made a big song and dance about being primarily an LGB organisation, in court, where they have to tell the truth, they admitted that only 7% of their membership were LGB.

As many times as you want to repeat that, it's pure, unadulterated bullshit and it's been debunked earlier on this thread, as it always is when you write it.

There you go Eresh, you're incel babbling like a good 'un! Of course, that make perfect sense, if you believe that men are lesbians, or the Earth is carried on a giant turtle.

Do I think there is a problem in this country with gay children receiving healthcare interventions for trans children, because people are mistaking gay children for trans children?

No. This is a narrative made up by people like the LGBA to spread transphobia.

I'd rather trust Hilary Cass on that to be honest.

I'm talking about now? What about the gay kids now??

No. This is a narrative made up by people like the LGBA to spread transphobia.

It really is not. It's documented in a BBC Newsnight investigation.

@EasternStandard "should gay and lesbian people be able to have a conference in peace" and "should a transphobic hate group be allowed to have a conference in peace" are different questions.

I don't agree with them releasing the insects in either case, but I have a lot more sympathy for a minority group resisting the actions of a group backed by the Heritage Foundation, the Mail, Kemi Badenoch and every nasty anti-LGBT commentator on the internet.