To think that gay and lesbian people should be able to have a conference in peace

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Transactivists have tried to disrupt the LGBA conference by releasing insects into the venue. It's disgusting . Because they don't think gay men and lesbians should be allowed to meet peacefully without them.

No one is stopping transpeople from having events by themselves, why shouldn't gay men and lesbians be able to meet if that's what they want to do? It's just repackaged homophobia - same sex attracted people aren't allowed to have their own conference.

https://x.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1844763982453670350

What about the gay kids now??

There's lots of homophobia in the world, that makes these children vulnerable.

One thing they are not vulnerable to, however, is being referred to the Tavistock and given medical interventions for trans children.

The availability of trans healthcare on the NHS is not a threat to children, gay or otherwise. This is transphobia - moral panic in its most classic of forms.

Is it true that when asked in court what proportion of their membership were LBG, they said it was 7%?

They are not a "transphobic hate group" they are an organisation for lesbian, gay and bisexual people who don't feel "LGBT" activism reflects their needs or lived experience and would like to focus on their own issues, as a traditionally oppressed group.

This '7%' has been constantly misrepresented by a few posters who have been on these threads before. They know how this figure was derived. However, because they have their own very deeply entrenched prejudice about the LGB Alliance, they keep trying to misrepresent the demographics of the supporters of the LGB Alliance.

That says more about them than it does the LGB Alliance.

And those posters attempting to then try to twist 20% heterosexual supporters as being somehow worthy of discrediting LGB Alliance's work seem to then forget that if Stonewall could categorise all their supporters, all their donors, what % would this end up heterosexual? And this would have to include any person who purchased any product that then contributed to Stonewall, or any work place that took donations. It is a very weak argument to discredit a LGB charity.

But some posters still think that it is a convincing argument to discredit an LGB charity they disagree with. Well, they probably don't think it is really convincing, what they think is that someone will read it and think it reliable / relevant and will have a negative view of LGB Alliance. Which is ultimately their aim in spreading what is fuckwittery. That is misinformation due to the significant misrepresentation in light of the full context and accurate facts.

And sadly, it is some people spreading these types of misrepresentions and misinformation that cause activists to then try to disrupt the events held by LGB Alliance. It never seems to sink in though, that feminists don't try to disrupt events for transgender people. And feminists don't protest at conferences for transgender people to meet at.

Could it show something about the respect for others in general that transgender rights activists have? Could it show the assymetrical tolerance levels of different groups in society?

Is it true that when asked in court what proportion of their membership were LBG, they said it was 7%?

They don't have a "membership". Read what people have said.

People have preferences that’s not news. It’s not prejudice to do so.

Also if you attended a trans supportive event how would you feel if thousands of insects were released in the same way?

It's absolute bullshit, as is a large proportion of media reporting on trans issues.

Some of the posters on this thread remind me of the adults in the Peanuts cartoon.

Just making sounds with their mouths, but it's all unintelligible twaddle.

'Wah, wah, wah, trans. Wah, wah, trans, wah, wah, transphobic'

Just in case you missed it....

Reader's note:

LGB Alliance & the 7% misrepresentation

This is a statement released by LGB Alliance about that 7% statement made in court.

One particularly sticky myth is that only 7% of LGB Alliance supporters are lesbians. Here’s how that started:

"We were delighted to be able to support Allison Bailey at her tribunal in the form of a witness statement to help prove that gender critical people are likely to be women and lesbians. As part of that we shared some numbers from our newsletter subscriber list.

We used Mailchimp to send our newsletter and when we set up our account in 2019 we added some subscriber questions which, as it turned out, provided us with ambiguous data.

We asked people whether they were lesbian, whether they were lesbian/gay or if they preferred not to say. The flaws being that we couldn’t tell whether those who ticked lesbian/gay were men or women and that none of the fields were compulsory – so many people skipped them altogether.

The result was that we had 4,502 newsletter subscribers and 316 ticked the box describing themselves as lesbian. That’s 7% of the total. A further 949 ticked the box lesbian/gay and 1,427 were unspecified or preferred not to say. Based on that data that means that between 316 (7%) and 2,376 (53%) of our subscribers were lesbian.

The 7% figure was used in court because it’s important that evidence is based on provable fact and it is a fact that, at a minimum, 7% of our subscribers were lesbians. However, common sense told us that that number was really much higher.

In August 2022 we commissioned a survey of our subscribers to help us plan to deliver services and support to LGB people. One of the questions we asked was about sexual orientation. That data showed that 34% are lesbian, 33% are gay men, 12% are bisexual, 20% are heterosexual and 1% preferred not to say. We are satisfied that this data is robust."

I'm frequently reminded of The Narcissists Prayer;

That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did...
You deserved it.

People have preferences that’s not news. It’s not prejudice to do so.

Why do people keep creating this straw man? It has been debunked to death.

Also if you attended a trans supportive event how would you feel if thousands of insects were released in the same way?

If I attended a homophobic event (which I wouldn't) I would fully expect to be protested.
Releasing insects is not something I condone - the protesters who did this were a few teenagers.

This '7%' has been constantly misrepresented by a few posters who have been on these threads before. They know how this figure was derived. However, because they have their own very deeply entrenched prejudice about the LGB Alliance, they keep trying to misrepresent the demographics of the supporters of the LGB Alliance.

That says more about them than it does the LGB Alliance.

This. I'm posting for the benefit of lurkers. I'm not posting for the benefit of those type of posters, because they are not rational, fair minded people who will admit if they got it wrong. They are pushing their ideology.

But lots of them are. The overwhelming majority are same sex attracted young people.

So either you are lying or you are clueless, or both

So, yes - in court - where they have to use evidence - they admitted it was 7%. I don't trust their survey as far as a cricket could hop.

People are who they say they are, when you agree with them.

I mean, they probably got them from a pet shop where they're sold as food for reptiles so not sure that makes much of a difference?

Anyone who's in doubt about the claim that LGBA made up the issues with the social contagion of autistic, gay and lesbian "gender questioning" children and teenagers needs to read the investigative journalism by Hannah Barnes and her bestselling book "Time To Think".

amp.theguardian.com/books/2023/feb/19/time-to-think-by-hannah-barnes-review-what-went-wrong-at-gids

LGB Alliance exists to provide support, advice, information and community to men and women who are same-sex attracted.

This is the reason why they exist. It is ok to be same-sex attracted and it’s ok to meet as people who are same-sex attracted.

I find your rhetoric part of what ramps up aggression against that group of gay and lesbian people and women who are supportive of those who are same sex attracted.

So, yes - in court - where they have to use evidence - they admitted it was 7%. I don't trust their survey as far as a cricket could hop.

They didn't admit anything of the sort, and of course you don't trust anything from sources you are ideologically opposed to.

LGB Alliance exists to provide support, advice, information and community to men and women who are same-sex attracted.

This is the reason why they exist. It is ok to be same-sex attracted and it’s ok to meet as people who are same-sex attracted.

I find your rhetoric part of what ramps up aggression against that group of gay and lesbian people and women who are supportive of those who are same sex attracted.

This. It's homophobia.

Yup.

Just stop.

Children referred to NHS services (until very recently the Tavistock - now dissolved) were those experiencing very intense issues with gender identity (e.g. gender dysphoria).

Of those children, a small proportion in desperate need would be eventually referred for prescription of puberty blockers, to place a temporary pause on progression through endogenous puberty. Very rarely children older than 16 (or just approaching 16) would have access to initiating cross sex hormones (and after at least a year of taking PBs), prior to transfer into adult services.

There is nothing in this that involves an existential threat to gay children. This was simply a healthcare service for trans children in desperate need of healthcare services. Now these interventions are being restricted further still , with terrible consequences for trans children, because of transphobic lobby groups like the LGBA spreading harmful and erroneous information.

Many genderists think the existence of anything which acknowledges the importance of biological sex, most notably here exclusive same sex attraction, or homosexuality, is transphobic. Anything.

However, I think that objecting to ways LGB people and women can organise for their own rights is homophobic and misogyny and sexism.

Why should their views, however loud and bullying, trump mine?

So you are saying that those statements that characterise the current homosexual and bisexual experience from the perspective of some homosexual and bisexual people should be dismissed.

And that those homosexual and bisexual people who feel that their life experience has now be 'de-legitimised' and 'mis-characterised' by people who have redefined the word they use to describe them should demonised and vilified?

Is that what you are saying? I would hate to be accused of twisting your words, but that seems to be what you are saying about LGB Alliance and their aims.

On the other hand:

"They present trans experience as something 'made up' {unscientific), threatening and inherently harmful to LGB people and to children (also women of course - lots of other statements to that effect."

There is a significant bank of evidence now that prioritising gender over the sex of a person when sex does matter IS harmful to some other groups. Female people, children and LGB people.

Would you like to explain why you believe there is no conflict in rights?

You can start with putting male people in prisons with only female people. And then discuss sports and how there is no harm being done to female people there with male people in female sports events.

Then could you please present evidence that directly counters the Cass Report. And please, do make sure you send a copy of that evidence to Dr Cass, and also to the Swedish and Finnish governments and the German research team that also have agreed that currently there is very weak evidence that the current affirming only treatments for children are improving the mental health of those children receiving those treatments.

I appreciate any evidence that you can link us to. Otherwise, I think maybe your statements seem to be hyperbolic and driven more by emotion than a balanced view of what is happening.

I think this thread wins the award for the overuse of the word 'transphobic' 🤯.