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To not want him to complain in restaurants?

211 replies

FirecrackerK · 09/10/2024 11:19

My DP is really into his food, makes most meals at home and even thought about being a chef when he was younger. It's a hobby.

But I'd say 60% of the time when we're out for a meal, if the server asks 'how was your meal?' he doesnt give the obligatory response.

Instead he uses it as an opportunity to moan about the carrots of the gravy or whatever and say 'it could've been more X'. I feel really embarrassed when he does this as other diners are just quietly enjoying their meals!

He stopped for a while because he knew it bothered me but he's back at it again

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ilovesooty · 09/10/2024 12:44

Harvestfestivalknickers · 09/10/2024 12:25

Yep, option1, why is his opinion so much more important than yours? If the meal was good, what's stopping you contradicting him and saying it was lovely?

I bet if there was a post like this from a woman whose husband or partner did this he'd be accused of silencing her.

PaperGloves · 09/10/2024 12:45

ns87 · 09/10/2024 12:31

I would hate this, like dining with Jay Raynor.

It isn’t, you know. Restaurant critics are reviewing what they’re served, not complaining about it. JR is unusual in being very recognisable. Most of the time reviewers are anonymous, keeping their heads down, not being vocal about not liking a dish. They’ll register it in their review, not in person, by and large.

HoppingPavlova · 09/10/2024 12:45

We used to go out as a group and had one member like this. Firstly, they would hold up the person taking the order for a good 15mins on their order alone, uhmming, arrhing, asking 100 questions, changing their mind, asking more questions, asking for all the components to be deconstructed and changed around, nope, changed mind, more questions.

Then at the end they would offer their critique which would go on for over 5mins minimum. Nothing was ever okay. Fair enough if there is something amiss, you should mention it, but we refused to believe that out of all the upscale restaurants we went to not one meal was ever okay. We ended up stopping this as a group as it was so fucking tiresome. Every. Single. Time. Spoilt the meal and night out really.

betterangels · 09/10/2024 12:46

BellesAndGraces · 09/10/2024 12:32

This unreasonably pisses me off because I’m your DH in my marriage. If I am asked a question and the food wasn’t quite right I would say so in a polite manner. DH would sooner suffer in silence when given fries instead of potatoes or his sushi is a stodgy lump and I just don’t understand it. He also gets annoyed when I complain about incorrect orders and my retort to him is always “why do you care more about the waiter’s feelings than mine?”. The restaurant are not doing us a favour by serving us, they are giving a paid for service!

I'm with you. Your husband would annoy the hell out of me.

TSMWEL · 09/10/2024 12:47

Rosiecidar · 09/10/2024 12:40

Eating out is so expensive and yet I have been to restaurants that serve food that is less than it's worth...cakes with doughy middles, lukewarm dishes, parts of a meal missing that are mentioned in the menu. You're paying for a service not eating in a friend's house.

I'm pretty sure that this isn't what the OP means though. There's a difference between saying everything is ok when it's not and playing Greg Wallace on Masterchef every time you go out to eat and critiquing the meal to the server. As pp have pointed out, it's highly unlikely that the chef will ever receive those comments.

If he had some real feedback he thought would be beneficial he'd be better off emailing the manager fao the chef. But he won't because he can't "show off" in public that way.

How ick inducing.

Verbena17 · 09/10/2024 12:47

To me, it doesn’t sound like this is about the food at all.
It sounds like your DP feels inadequate about something and is taking it out on the food.
Its miserable for you - the odd occasion you could expect but every single time is rude and weird.

If it was me I think I’d say I’m not going out to eat for a while because it’s embarrassing hearing the negative complaints every single time.
Just say you don’t want to go out to eat and would rather stay home or get take out.

I know of relatives & friends who are like this about wine and it’s embarrassing because it’s so snobby and rude & actually, they’re just showing off.

If your DP is that bothered he could write a Tripadvisor review.

HeyMicky · 09/10/2024 12:49

"Up to scratch" and "not to my taste" are different things. Your DH is being a wanker.

If the food is under or over cooked, not as described, the wine is corked, chips are cold, only 1 prawn in the prawn dish etc then you have every right to politely complain AT THE TIME OF SERVICE and expect that to be rectified.

You don't like the flavour or the combination? Not enough sauce on the plate? Thought the fish should have been poached not fried? Keep your opinions to yourself. You chose the dish, the chef chooses how to serve it. And certainly don't wang on to the wait
staff at the end of the meal. Very poor show.

Bet he eats it all, too, before these lofty pronouncements.

JudgeJ · 09/10/2024 12:49

FirecrackerK · 09/10/2024 11:27

Once I saw the chef's face through an open door after he'd made a complaint.

Face like thunder!

We have a very dear friend who is a chef who has cooked for royalty, for hundreds of soldiers in the field and for numerous Balls etc., ie he knows his onions!
When we were out to dinner with him and his wife he asked the waiter about how the dessert was made, fresh peaches, fresh raspberry sauce etc. Eventually the chef came out of the kitchen and asked if he would like to come into the kitchen to make our peach melbas which he did and they were delicious! It was all very good natured though, he isn't at all bombastic and the chef came and joined us for drinks later! When he was first coming to us for dinner I was petrified but he was such a good guest and is now my go-to man when I have questions.

JudgeJ · 09/10/2024 12:50

betterangels · 09/10/2024 12:46

I'm with you. Your husband would annoy the hell out of me.

Do you meekly accept poor service all the time?

FirecrackerK · 09/10/2024 12:52

VWAirbag · 09/10/2024 12:37

I’d hate this. It’s supposed to be a chance to tell them if things were not ok eg you didn’t receive something or there was a genuine problem. It’s really not an opportunity to wang on about your own preferences. I mean, it’s fine, of course you can use it for that but it would make my fanny shut faster than an ant’s mandible.

Thanks for the laugh 😂

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AgainandagainandagainSS · 09/10/2024 12:52

I am with you OP. This would give me the absolute ick and I wouldn’t want to dine out with him.

betterangels · 09/10/2024 12:54

JudgeJ · 09/10/2024 12:50

Do you meekly accept poor service all the time?

Maybe read the post I quoted again.

DH would sooner suffer in silence when given fries instead of potatoes or his sushi is a stodgy lump and I just don’t understand it. He also gets annoyed when I complain about incorrect orders I said that would annoy me. How you got from that I accept bad service meekly, I'm not sure.

But rest assured, I don't.

FirecrackerK · 09/10/2024 12:55

ginasevern · 09/10/2024 12:01

The thing is, dining out isn't just about the food. It's about the ambience, the company, the conversation and (to an extent) making those you are eating with feel comfortable. It's supposed to be enjoyable. I always comment if something is sub par but this sounds like a total downer and, yes, highly embarrasing. I think you need to tell him that unless something is unacceptable, then his "expert" comments can be posted on Tripadvisor.

Thank you! This is a good way for me to put it i think. It affects my comfort level when he does it repeatedly.

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Foxblue · 09/10/2024 12:55

I think there's absolutely something to be said if there's something wrong with the dish. And maybe if its REALLY obvious, balance of flavours, over salted etc. But the fact he does it nearly 2/3rds of the time you go out smacks of performative foody-ism. Or not understanding that he's picky. Or not picking the right Michelin star restaurants for his preferences.

Zooks · 09/10/2024 12:55

winterbirds · 09/10/2024 12:44

and gets cross that they have no idea what they’re serving … then he will walk right into the kitchen to talk/pantomime with “chef” to find out how they make it.

Why he is a prat you ask?

Prat that waitstaff doesn’t know what’s serving? Isn’t that waitstaff job? Is there cheese in the XYZ? It’s the job.

Or prat for pantomiming if there’s a language barrier?

FineMom · 09/10/2024 12:56

When someone moans especially about something relatively minor, it really detracts from a night out for me. Maybe he’s doing it to show off his knowledge and to get one up on the chef - if so then he’s a bit pathetic.

TypingoftheDead · 09/10/2024 12:56

ilovesooty · 09/10/2024 12:44

I bet if there was a post like this from a woman whose husband or partner did this he'd be accused of silencing her.

Thing is, OP has told him it bothers her (and if it’s a case of the food not matching his personal taste then why does he need to complain?!) but he’s still doing it. It’s embarrassing for her.
Like a PP said, a server asking if everything is ok isn’t looking for a critique on the flavours etc, they’re asking if there is anything wrong (food is cold or something was missing etc). The chef can’t be expected to do something like make several different kinds of gravy for one dish!

winterbirds · 09/10/2024 12:56

Zooks · 09/10/2024 12:55

Prat that waitstaff doesn’t know what’s serving? Isn’t that waitstaff job? Is there cheese in the XYZ? It’s the job.

Or prat for pantomiming if there’s a language barrier?

I give up. 😂

Coruscations · 09/10/2024 12:59

FirecrackerK · 09/10/2024 11:27

Once I saw the chef's face through an open door after he'd made a complaint.

Face like thunder!

Oops. I hope he checked for spit or worse in anything that was served afterwards.

DancingPhantomsOnTheTerrace · 09/10/2024 13:00

Your thread title doesn't quite match what is happening imo. He's not complaining in the sense that he's flagging the waiter down to tell them there's an issue, or sending the food back. He's just answering the question that's been asked.

WaltzingWaters · 09/10/2024 13:00

This would annoy me unless there really is a genuine problem with the food being not up to the standard of the price. But that regularly, I understand why it’s embarrassing!
maybe talk to him about it again, reiterating how much it annoys you, and ask that in future unless something really isn’t right, he sticks with trip advisor reviews.

FirecrackerK · 09/10/2024 13:00

MrsSunshine2b · 09/10/2024 12:21

Have you explained to him that when they ask "How was your meal?" they are just being polite and making sure there was nothing awful, like a hair in the food? It's like when an acquaintance or colleague asks how you are in passing, they don't actually want a full run down of your health, wellbeing and domestic situation.

I went to a meal with a group including my boss at the time, he ordered 6 wines and sent them back before he found one he was satisfied with. It was mortifying, although the wait staff tried not to show it. He clearly didn't know that once the bottle has been opened, you are offered to try the wine to ensure it's not corked. It's not a wine tasting session and you're expected to know which wine you want before you order, and no-one wanted to be the one to tell him.

Hopefully you can spare your husband (and yourself) any more embarrassment by teaching him that the waitress doesn't actually need to know if he thinks the sauce could have better complemented the carrots.

This is how I feel.

It's a polite question, a social lubricant. He just doesn't seem to get it.

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FirecrackerK · 09/10/2024 13:01

DancingPhantomsOnTheTerrace · 09/10/2024 13:00

Your thread title doesn't quite match what is happening imo. He's not complaining in the sense that he's flagging the waiter down to tell them there's an issue, or sending the food back. He's just answering the question that's been asked.

No he's never sent the food back. But is it any better storing up the criticism for the end?

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Catza · 09/10/2024 13:03

FirecrackerK · 09/10/2024 11:26

@ComtesseDeSpair well he isn't British and can be quite direct. Maybe explains it.

Definitely. As the only non-Brit in my circle of friends I find it laughable that the entire table will be complaining about their meal but when the waiter comes around everyone says "the meal is great" in unison. Why? Whom does it benefit? You? No, because you eat and pay for sub-par meal. Restaurant? Also no, because without feedback they have no way to improve. The whole "voting with your feet" which is so ubiquitous in Britain is just not a thing in most other countries. You don't like something, you say so and, ore often than not, it will be actioned.

greenwoodentablelegs · 09/10/2024 13:06

I think I would do two things

  1. pre warn the waiter that your DH might be a prick
  2. just get up and go to the loo when the waiter asks.

or just jump in and say ‘oh mine was lovely!’