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Raised voice at wife and am now in the dog house

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Nastynigel · 05/10/2024 19:27

We were going shopping and my wife wanted to go one route but that would have taken longer, so we turned right instead of left.
My wife alleges I shouted at he when she suggested we turn left. I didn’t, although I did raise my voice to tell her she was wrong because her route would have taken longer.

I realised instantly I had made a mistake. We ended up cutting our shopping trip short, and she is now upstairs, crying and speaking to me

I’ve apologised but I’m being accused of shouting at her each week, although she cannot give me specific examples.

I was just annoyed at the kids fighting and her telling me what route I should take.
Advice? We seem to have a falling out every few weeks and it’s tiring for me and her.

OP posts:
OrangeTeabags · 06/10/2024 07:48

SometimesCalmPerson · 06/10/2024 07:45

I’d raise my voice at someone who was insisting I was driving the wrong way when I didn’t need their help too OP.

This stropping upstairs and crying for a week is ridiculous. It is gaslighting, manipulative behaviour and if a man was doing it to a woman on here they’d be told it’s abuse. But as it’s a woman it’s because they’re really upset, and it’s the man’s fault.

Whatever it is OP, it’s not right or healthy for either of you. It is worth considering separation.

Yep and here we go with the "poor men" and "if this was a man it would be different" comments.

So many of these subtle and not so subtle women-bashing threads at the moment.

Denyite · 06/10/2024 07:50

Protect your children. Acknowledge their mother's behaviour is not right / normal. Help them feel loved and valued and safe. Be interested in them.

Help your wife get some therapy / support. She doesn't need to repeat what her mother taught her.

And do practical thinks around the house and with the kids. Be an active parent. Bring some joy into the family not more horribleness, even if you have to fake it at first.

Lex345 · 06/10/2024 07:54

OP you have mentioned this is somewhat of a pattern and you wife will stay in bed today and the response to what happened will last about a week. What happens to bring this to an end usually?

Cappuccinowithonesugarplease · 06/10/2024 07:54

She shouldn't be telling you what to do while you were driving.
Her behavior does sound incredibly dramatic. You didn't raise your voice for fun or no reason, I would do the same if someone was bossing me about especially while driving.
Totally unfair of her to make this out to be your fault.
Is she going through menopause which might make her more emotional than usual?
Anyway I voted YANBU.

TeamPlaying · 06/10/2024 07:54

Lastly, I wouldn’t have reacted this way if it had been a friend in my car instead of my wife, which says a lot about me as a person and a husband.

This is what she’s really reacting to, not “just” the shouting.

araiwa · 06/10/2024 07:55

Ltb

Protect your kids and take them with you

Cappuccinowithonesugarplease · 06/10/2024 07:58

OrangeTeabags · 06/10/2024 07:48

Yep and here we go with the "poor men" and "if this was a man it would be different" comments.

So many of these subtle and not so subtle women-bashing threads at the moment.

And here we go with the 'wives should get away with everything and husband's should just suck it up and be yes men' comments 🙄

It's not women bashing, it's who is in the wrong.
regardless of gender

OrangeTeabags · 06/10/2024 07:59

Cappuccinowithonesugarplease · 06/10/2024 07:54

She shouldn't be telling you what to do while you were driving.
Her behavior does sound incredibly dramatic. You didn't raise your voice for fun or no reason, I would do the same if someone was bossing me about especially while driving.
Totally unfair of her to make this out to be your fault.
Is she going through menopause which might make her more emotional than usual?
Anyway I voted YANBU.

Yeah is it the menopause because that makes all women even more crazy?
Or maybe she's just crazy anyway because women just are, right?

Seriously!! 🙄

Cappuccinowithonesugarplease · 06/10/2024 08:01

OrangeTeabags · 06/10/2024 07:59

Yeah is it the menopause because that makes all women even more crazy?
Or maybe she's just crazy anyway because women just are, right?

Seriously!! 🙄

No but it is a well known fact that hormonal changes cause some women to be completely irrational. I have PMDD and peri so I know.

Secradonugh · 06/10/2024 08:01

Nastynigel · 05/10/2024 22:47

No, honestly, I don’t know what to do. We are both very unhappy and I feel unable to express any displeasure at the state of our relationship.
Today, I raised my voice, last month she screamed at me when she was frustrated. It’s an unfortunate part of married life: people get upset and angry.
It’s the aftermath I have a problem with. The crying for most of today; she’ll spend most of tomorrow in bed, ignoring me. It will continue for a week.

So how are you willing to solve this problem. You are both getting annoyed about the effect of an unknown underlying cause. Sheis clearly suffering from low esteem in your relationship, and I believe you are as well. I have to say forgetthe kids for a minute, you both need to take a long hard look at your relationship, because unless you two are happy the kids will always cop it. If you were happy and she was happy, and she suggested a different route, would you have acted the same? (I'm not saying it's your fault, I'm just saying neitherof you want to deal with the underlying issue). Whenthings are calm, book yourself and her an evening for a horrid discussion. If either of you two don't want to work on your relationship, then the hard truth is you need to look at a divorce, and most importantly discuss how to co-parent the kids.

Sharptonguedwoman · 06/10/2024 08:04

TheCentreCannotHold · 05/10/2024 21:53

How about letting it play out something like this in your mind:

"My, DWife is crying upstairs... She must really be feeling desperately upset ‐I know how bad I feel when I'm so sad I'm actually crying.

She said I shouted at her. Oh dear, that really wasn't my intention. But she said I do it most weeks ‐gosh, maybe my filter is out of whack, and I'm coming across a lot more forcefully than I think? I clearly can't tell, so I'm going to take her word for it; after all, I'm male, bigger and stronger than her, so maybe she feels intimidated? A raised voice does signal aggression, I suppose. Oh no, I wonder if that's how the kids perceive me too? Damn, I think I might just have been a bit self-indulgent and let my frustration run away with me in the moment. I really ought not to do that -her reaction tonight tells me everything I need to know, really: I come on too strong and must rein myself in before I mess this up completely. I'm not going to do it again, to DWife or the DC. Poor them. I'm going to write this down now, and really apologise, and slide the note under the bedroom door so she knows I'm sorry and so she can go to sleep knowing I've got the message."

Something like that.

Male aggression is terrifying. Frustration sits in the anteroom of anger, so expressions of impatience and displeasure can be scary too. Listen to your wife and dial it right down.

Edited

You're not wrong but I think there's something else going on. Exhaustion, misery, whatever, that might be the root cause of this,

OrangeTeabags · 06/10/2024 08:04

Cappuccinowithonesugarplease · 06/10/2024 08:01

No but it is a well known fact that hormonal changes cause some women to be completely irrational. I have PMDD and peri so I know.

Yes but this thread has a seriously off slant to it - can you not see that?
The OP is hoping people will slag off his wife and women in general and paint him as the poor hard done by man.

Copperoliverbear · 06/10/2024 08:06

It's not nice to raise your voice at someone, but what your wife should do at the time,is say stop raising your voice I don't like it.
I think she's being a bit melodramatic cutting the trip short and crying upstairs, that's not a very nice atmosphere for your children to be in either.

Secradonugh · 06/10/2024 08:08

Nastynigel · 06/10/2024 07:48

I want to know if her reaction is appropriate: crying, shouting, ignore me and being short with the children.

I shouldn’t have raised my voice at her but couples do.

I have learnt about male aggression which didn’t even cross my mind.

Lastly, I wouldn’t have reacted this way if it had been a friend in my car instead of my wife, which says a lot about me as a person and a husband.

Despite all this, I still think she is overreacting and I don’t know how to address this.

Edited

You only feel she's overreacting because you and her are not on the same page. She may be unable to explainwhy it affects her so much, shemay know why but worried that you will leave her if she tells you the truth. If you have any chance, you need to get on the same page.

Secradonugh · 06/10/2024 08:10

PresidentBarklett · 06/10/2024 00:38

I don't know, I'm getting real 'bitches be crazy' vibes from the OP here.

I've known men who treat their partners with utter disdain and then complain about how 'over-sensitive' they are.

Not saying that's definitely the case, as I don't know the OP or his wife.

Please remember that men aren't very good at expressing their feelings, and message boards make it harder to convey those emotions.

Cappuccinowithonesugarplease · 06/10/2024 08:11

OrangeTeabags · 06/10/2024 08:04

Yes but this thread has a seriously off slant to it - can you not see that?
The OP is hoping people will slag off his wife and women in general and paint him as the poor hard done by man.

Rubbish
I dont get that at all.
No one is 'slagging off his wife'
Or are you one of those mumsnetters that believes mumsnet is exclusively for mothers and wives?
Seriously get with the times!
OP gets screamed at by her too so is that okay?
The double standards on here is beyond belief sometimes!

Lex345 · 06/10/2024 08:11

I am genuinely curious how this comes to be resolved usually as you said it normally lasts a week. Just how often is this happening?

I strongly disagree with you OP that it is a normal part of married life that people become angry and upset. Arguments happen of course, but have genuinely never had a week long disagreement and been married 20 years.

Its perfectly reasonable for your wife to be upset you shouted at her. I would be upset if DH shouted at me too. Its not necessary. However, if we take your post at face value, you mentioned she screamed at you last month. That is not OK either. Did she apologise for this? How did you react aftwrwards?

This does not sound like it is working for anyone.

Lemonadeand · 06/10/2024 08:12

Get her some flowers and do better.

Secradonugh · 06/10/2024 08:14

NZDreaming · 06/10/2024 00:12

@Nastynigel im concerned by your comment that she will cry for most of today; she’ll spend most of tomorrow in bed, ignoring me. It will continue for a week. That is not only extremely disproportionate to what, on the surface, appears to be a very minor incident but it is also extremely toxic and somewhat manipulative behaviour.

There are 3 explanations I can think of:

  1. You are extremely aggressive and shout at your wife to the extent that she is terrified of you
  2. Your wife has experienced some past trauma that results in any confrontation triggering an extreme reaction
  3. Your wife is emotionally abusive and uses stonewalling to manipulate you and control the situation

Which do you think it is?

I suppose it’s possible to be a combination of all three but more likely to be one ir the other. This is not a healthy way to live and is modelling a terrible example of a relationship to your children. Sounds like you both would benefit from accessing personal therapy and marriage counselling because this is not good for anyone.

Completely agree, the problem is, that she may be extremely manipulative, but doesn't realise it. Borderline Personality Disorder for example can include this, where the person over reacts because of an underlying issue, but they don't do anything on purpose, they honestly feel completely betrayed or lost, or abondoned etc...

Copperoliverbear · 06/10/2024 08:15

I know you shouldn't raise your voice but she does sound a bit of a drama queen / brat and should not be carrying on like this for a week in front of your children.
Are there any other issues not mentioned mental health issues ect ?

Jennyathemall · 06/10/2024 08:20

She does sound very melodramatic.

DanielaDressen · 06/10/2024 08:20

If a colleague shouted at me every week I’d report them for bullying.
if my husband shouted at me every week I’d consider it emotional abuse and I’d divorce him. There’s no way I’d live my life treading on eggshells and waiting for the next outburst.

youre an adult. Do better. Control your emotions. I’m assuming you don’t shout at people at work? So you can control yourself.

if she is as bad as you and shouts at the kids and you then point this out to her. You both sound unhappy and would probably benefit from couples counselling or you’ll be divorced in a couple of years. I can’t stand passive aggressive behaviour either and her not talking to you for a week is pathetic and solves nothing.

Copperoliverbear · 06/10/2024 08:20

Maybe some counselling or maybe you should leave and take the children with you.

IdgieThreadgoodeIsMyHeroine · 06/10/2024 08:22

I have learnt about male aggression which didn’t even cross my mind.

Lastly, I wouldn’t have reacted this way if it had been a friend in my car instead of my wife, which says a lot about me as a person and a husband.

Use this as a learning opportunity- it sounds like your marriage is doomed, but you can use what you've learnt here to be a considerably better man and partner in the future.

Also, no, not all couples shout at each other- my wife and I have been together for 8 years and never have. We've always managed to have arguments in a normal tone, so I don't see why you can't.

Nastynigel · 06/10/2024 08:29

Lex345 · 06/10/2024 07:54

OP you have mentioned this is somewhat of a pattern and you wife will stay in bed today and the response to what happened will last about a week. What happens to bring this to an end usually?

She will usually start speaking to me if I continue to talk to her. She won’t speak to me if I don’t make the effort.

OP posts: