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To not want to meet up with this rude woman?

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BucketBouquet · 29/09/2024 14:59

My oldest friend, Jane, recently moved back to her university city; partly for personal reasons, but also because she was offered a job there. She hadn’t been working for a while when she got this job, so is playing catch-up financially, but she decided to treat herself to a birthday night out last weekend. I travelled to join her.

Jane has quite a few friends in this city who I haven’t met before. She was excited for me to meet them, but singled out one in particular, Marian. She was saying she just knew we’d get on great, she’s so lovely etc.

Anyway, we go out for Jane’s birthday meal. After about ten minutes, Marian and her boyfriend haven’t arrived. We order wine, but say we’ll wait for them to order the food. Ten minutes turns into 20, then 25… still no sign, not even a “sorry, running late” text. The waiter has been back asking if we know when we’ll be ready to order, then to try to sell us more wine (which Jane very quickly said no to, which I’m 90% sure was down to budget). I suggest it’s time to ring Marian and check she’s definitely still coming. Jane does; Marian says the traffic is terrible, but they’ll be there any minute. 10 more minutes pass; everyone is hungry and in need of a drink. I say I’ll treat us to some Prosecco as it’s a special occasion (mainly to pacify the waiter, who’s clearly concerned about a table for eight having been there over half an hour without ordering).

Marian and her boyfriend finally arrive 45 minutes late. Not a word of apology; just babble about the traffic, you wouldn’t believe it… no attempt to even pick up a menu. Jane’s clearly waiting for a pause in the monologue that I sense isn’t coming, so I say “Sorry to interrupt, but I think we really need to order; they’ve been over a few times now”. Marian umms and ahhhs over every bloody menu item like she’s got all day, rather than being 45 minutes late and having pissed everyone off. She eventually orders.

But the rudeness didn’t stop there. The woman barely paused for breath throughout the entire meal. We had chapter and verse on her job, their flat, her hobbies… she didn’t ask anyone else a question or show any interest. I didn’t even hear her wish Jane a happy birthday. (If you’re wondering about the boyfriend, he barely said a word. I don’t know if he was just ignorant or has been stunned into silence by living with Robogob.)

Anyway, yesterday Jane rang me. She thanked me again for coming down - but then said, “Oh, I meant to say, Marian really liked you! She wants to know when you’re coming down again so we can all go out”. I’m baffled, frankly. I don’t know how she could either like or dislike me; she never stopped talking for long enough for me to speak to her, and she certainly wasn’t interested in getting to know me (or anyone else). I can’t understand why on earth she’d want us to meet up.

I’m hoping the idea will just fall by the wayside, but if Jane pushes it I’ve no idea what to say. She’s such a kind person and clearly sees something in this woman; I don’t fancy telling her that the “lovely” friend she was so keen for me to meet is, in fact, a total arsewipe. Do I just grin and bear it?

OP posts:
ANightingaleSang · 29/09/2024 15:11

She sounds a nightmare. You're not being unreasonable. Your post is also very well written, you had me hooked ☺️

BucketBouquet · 29/09/2024 15:12

Ironically it ended up being a blessing that we had to wait so long for food. Hunger prevented me from chucking it at her 😆

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SauviGone · 29/09/2024 15:12

God no, I wouldn't grin and bear it, but I also wouldn't have sat for 45 minutes not ordering food because of Marian either. After 25 minutes a text should have been sent "we're ordering food, you'll have to catch up if/when you get here".

I'd tell Jane no thanks, I found her rude and overbearing and while I'll tolerate it for something like a birthday meal, if I come to the city it's to see Jane, not to listen to Marian monologue at me without pausing for breath.

FriendlyNeighbourhoodAccountant · 29/09/2024 15:16

If Jane asks again I'd just say you'd prefer to keep it just you two as Marian was full-on, a bit rude and not really your kind of person.

HoppityBun · 29/09/2024 15:17

SauviGone · 29/09/2024 15:12

God no, I wouldn't grin and bear it, but I also wouldn't have sat for 45 minutes not ordering food because of Marian either. After 25 minutes a text should have been sent "we're ordering food, you'll have to catch up if/when you get here".

I'd tell Jane no thanks, I found her rude and overbearing and while I'll tolerate it for something like a birthday meal, if I come to the city it's to see Jane, not to listen to Marian monologue at me without pausing for breath.

Honestly I wouldn’t say this. Jane clearly likes her and home truths like this rarely improve matters. I’d just say, thanks but I don’t think she’s my sort of person, or something like that. But definitely don’t grin and bear it.

ThatsNotMyTeen · 29/09/2024 15:18

FriendlyNeighbourhoodAccountant · 29/09/2024 15:16

If Jane asks again I'd just say you'd prefer to keep it just you two as Marian was full-on, a bit rude and not really your kind of person.

This

Tagyoureit · 29/09/2024 15:19

Robogob!! 😂😂

Just politely tell Jane that robogob is not your cup of tea.

TheLightSideOfTheMoon · 29/09/2024 15:21

I think you should arrange to meet up, turn up 45 minutes late, refuse to order anything and talk about yourself the entire time.

ilovesooty · 29/09/2024 15:26

HoppityBun · 29/09/2024 15:17

Honestly I wouldn’t say this. Jane clearly likes her and home truths like this rarely improve matters. I’d just say, thanks but I don’t think she’s my sort of person, or something like that. But definitely don’t grin and bear it.

I'd tell Jane you found Marian's behaviour rude and you don't want to meet her again. What she tells Marian is up to her.

Skaterdressies · 29/09/2024 15:30

I like @FriendlyNeighbourhoodAccountant's response best. Jane doesn't need to mention any of that to Marian

OnaBegonia · 29/09/2024 15:31

45 minutes?? surprised the restraint didn't chuck you out!
Jane sounds like a doormat to Marian.

hillroad · 29/09/2024 15:32

what is going on in Jane’s life that she thinks this woman is really nice and a good friend?!

randomflumpsy · 29/09/2024 15:33

SauviGone · 29/09/2024 15:12

God no, I wouldn't grin and bear it, but I also wouldn't have sat for 45 minutes not ordering food because of Marian either. After 25 minutes a text should have been sent "we're ordering food, you'll have to catch up if/when you get here".

I'd tell Jane no thanks, I found her rude and overbearing and while I'll tolerate it for something like a birthday meal, if I come to the city it's to see Jane, not to listen to Marian monologue at me without pausing for breath.

This. Of course you shouldn't grin and bear it. Tell her politely but assertively you did not like her, you found her rude and her behaviour was incredibly selfish. Focus on her behaviour, not her as person so that it doesnt come out like an attack on her. Your friend cant argue with behaviours you have both witnessed.

No fcking way would I be meeting up with a twat like that again just to keep the peace. Your friend needs to realise how poorly she has been treated and maybe you pointing it out will open her eyes.

BettyBardMacDonald · 29/09/2024 15:34

Life's too short to.

Just tell J that M is "a bit high-energy for me, sorry."

Figleafpants · 29/09/2024 15:37

"No thanks Jane. I know you like Marian but she really isnt my sort of person. I actually found the way she behaved at your birthday quite rude and off-putting."

Nothing whatsoever wrong with saying that. Its true.

Wildywondrous · 29/09/2024 15:41

Have you changed the names in your story and if so is Marian really named Michelle?
If so I know her.

There's nothing wrong with telling Jane you don't wait to meet up with her again, why spend time and money socialising with someone you don't like.

Beautiful3 · 29/09/2024 15:43

If someone was 20 minutes late, I'd go ahead and order. She can order when she arrives, and eat it during our puddings/coffees etc. She sounds rude and entitled, wonder what her good qualities are? To make your mutual friend like her so much.

Staunchlystarling · 29/09/2024 15:45

I’d tread carefully. Maybe Marian was nervous or something, you never know, sometimes people talk too much when they are. And I guess the traffic explanation was by way of apology. I’d be tempted to try one more time, if you really don’t wish to, then I’d keep making excuses, seldom does the truth go down well when the two people are close, and it is you who will be excluded.

EatSleepSleepRepeat · 29/09/2024 15:49

Sure Jane isn't just trying to dilute her "friend" and share the load?

Maria1979 · 29/09/2024 15:49

Jane is your friend. You ought it to her to give your impression of her friend. Obviously you don't know her well but for what you have seen she's rude and self centered. Maybe Jane is such a Nice person that she needs an eye opener to shitty behaviour?

sonjadog · 29/09/2024 15:50

I think if it comes up again you just say you'd rather not as Marian isn't your kind of person, and leave it at that. No need for a character assassination.

hillroad · 29/09/2024 15:50

how often do you envisage getting together with Jane in her hone city if you’re no longer local to one another?

Pinkl · 29/09/2024 15:51

It really sounds to me as though Jane is trying to engineer a friendship with you and Marian. And perhaps sees the three of you having evenings out. life really is too short! Tell Jane you’d love to catch up with her but you’d prefer to keep it just the two of you as Marian was rather rude and explain why.

NarnianQueen · 29/09/2024 15:53

It's weird that Jane is pushing so much for the two of you to be friends... Is she trying to palm her awful friend off on you?!

PinkStringofHearts · 29/09/2024 15:55

If you aren't local anymore I'd just say I miss hanging out with you, we have so much to catch up on, Id love if we could spend one on one time together. Make it about the two of you rather than Marian.