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To not want to meet up with this rude woman?

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BucketBouquet · 29/09/2024 14:59

My oldest friend, Jane, recently moved back to her university city; partly for personal reasons, but also because she was offered a job there. She hadn’t been working for a while when she got this job, so is playing catch-up financially, but she decided to treat herself to a birthday night out last weekend. I travelled to join her.

Jane has quite a few friends in this city who I haven’t met before. She was excited for me to meet them, but singled out one in particular, Marian. She was saying she just knew we’d get on great, she’s so lovely etc.

Anyway, we go out for Jane’s birthday meal. After about ten minutes, Marian and her boyfriend haven’t arrived. We order wine, but say we’ll wait for them to order the food. Ten minutes turns into 20, then 25… still no sign, not even a “sorry, running late” text. The waiter has been back asking if we know when we’ll be ready to order, then to try to sell us more wine (which Jane very quickly said no to, which I’m 90% sure was down to budget). I suggest it’s time to ring Marian and check she’s definitely still coming. Jane does; Marian says the traffic is terrible, but they’ll be there any minute. 10 more minutes pass; everyone is hungry and in need of a drink. I say I’ll treat us to some Prosecco as it’s a special occasion (mainly to pacify the waiter, who’s clearly concerned about a table for eight having been there over half an hour without ordering).

Marian and her boyfriend finally arrive 45 minutes late. Not a word of apology; just babble about the traffic, you wouldn’t believe it… no attempt to even pick up a menu. Jane’s clearly waiting for a pause in the monologue that I sense isn’t coming, so I say “Sorry to interrupt, but I think we really need to order; they’ve been over a few times now”. Marian umms and ahhhs over every bloody menu item like she’s got all day, rather than being 45 minutes late and having pissed everyone off. She eventually orders.

But the rudeness didn’t stop there. The woman barely paused for breath throughout the entire meal. We had chapter and verse on her job, their flat, her hobbies… she didn’t ask anyone else a question or show any interest. I didn’t even hear her wish Jane a happy birthday. (If you’re wondering about the boyfriend, he barely said a word. I don’t know if he was just ignorant or has been stunned into silence by living with Robogob.)

Anyway, yesterday Jane rang me. She thanked me again for coming down - but then said, “Oh, I meant to say, Marian really liked you! She wants to know when you’re coming down again so we can all go out”. I’m baffled, frankly. I don’t know how she could either like or dislike me; she never stopped talking for long enough for me to speak to her, and she certainly wasn’t interested in getting to know me (or anyone else). I can’t understand why on earth she’d want us to meet up.

I’m hoping the idea will just fall by the wayside, but if Jane pushes it I’ve no idea what to say. She’s such a kind person and clearly sees something in this woman; I don’t fancy telling her that the “lovely” friend she was so keen for me to meet is, in fact, a total arsewipe. Do I just grin and bear it?

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FranticFrankie · 29/09/2024 17:28

Robogob!!!!
I know one of those- yatter yatter then when you open your mouth to speak, she says ‘gotta run, bye’
I avoid her now
🤣🤣
I don’t blame you OP- give her a swerve

GinToBegin · 29/09/2024 17:36

In your shoes, I’d be inclined to give her a second (and final) chance. That said, I couldn’t be doing with all the time-keeping nonsense in a restaurant, so if another meet-up is suggested, I’d go along with it, but insist on it being for coffee or drinks. If then pushed, I’d simply say how frustrating I’d found the last occasion, and that I’d prefer not to have a repeat of that.

BirthdayRainbow · 29/09/2024 17:38

Robogob😂

She liked you as you only spoke to get food ordered then listened...

AmberAlert86 · 29/09/2024 17:42

@BucketBouquet is Marion an alias? Does her real name start with the letter "V"? Feel free to pm me

harrumphh · 29/09/2024 17:43

As other people have said, it's normal to order if someone is running late. If you'd done this you wouldn't have been so hangry and then literally every single thing she said and did wouldn't have pissed you off. She would have been looking at the menu while you were eating, for example.

You should give her another chance.

PeggyMitchellsCameo · 29/09/2024 17:43

I met a Marian once I will never ever forget it.
My friend moved away and a few years later brought her new mate home. About 6 of us went for Sunday lunch.
We had been there the sum total of twenty minutes and she said to me…
Oh lovely watch? Is it DKNY? I’ve been told you love your labels but DKNY isn’t really designer, is it?
It went on, and on and on and on.
I am not sure how we all lasted but we ended up in a bar. The one time she went to the bar she came back and told me about ‘a totally rich guy’ who had been chatting her up. He had a villa in Marbella, apparently, so she was going back over to talk to him.
Looked over it was someone I went to school with. A bus driver! A good looking one to be fair. He smiled, I smiled, I realised he was winding her up so I left them all to it.
I have only had to suffer her once since, at a wedding, but by then she was completely outnumbered. I can’t out her real name but she did call herself ‘Jonet’ well she was really Janet! (Not an exact replica but I’ve been creative!)
Have a feeling your friend is being kind to you - Marian probably couldn’t pick you out of a line up. Jonet only remembered people who she thought had higher status.
So me and my DKNY watch were not memorable!

Lollipopsicle · 29/09/2024 17:47

Grow a backbone and tell your friend that you don't like this woman and why, and you have no wish to meet up. Problem solved.

Moveoverdarlin · 29/09/2024 17:49

In this scenario I’d just be honest. I’m not a ‘say it as it is’ type of person but in this instance you have nothing to lose. It’s not like you are going to upset the apple cart in a long established friendship group. She’s a stranger to you.

I would say to Jane ‘Oh leave me out of any future gatherings with Marian, she’s not my cup of tea at all. At your birthday meal she was nearly an hour late, didn’t apologise and then dominated the whole evening with every insignificant detail of her life. If I’m being brutal Jane I thought she was bloody awful! Ha ha!’

Topseyt123 · 29/09/2024 17:52

I'm afraid I would just be quite blunt and say "sorry, but no. Marian is certainly not my type and I was uncomfortable in her company."

That would ensure that the message came across and couldn't be ignored.

BucketBouquet · 29/09/2024 17:58

harrumphh · 29/09/2024 17:43

As other people have said, it's normal to order if someone is running late. If you'd done this you wouldn't have been so hangry and then literally every single thing she said and did wouldn't have pissed you off. She would have been looking at the menu while you were eating, for example.

You should give her another chance.

Edited

In retrospect we should have ordered some starters or something and then ordered mains when everyone was there, but we didn’t know she and her boyfriend were going to be so late. It’s not like she’d even messaged to say; Jane had to chase her.

If we’d all ordered and left them to it, it would have solved the hunger issue, but we’d still have been stuck waiting around for them to finish. You just move the waiting around to the other end of the meal.

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hillroad · 29/09/2024 17:59

BucketBouquet · 29/09/2024 17:58

In retrospect we should have ordered some starters or something and then ordered mains when everyone was there, but we didn’t know she and her boyfriend were going to be so late. It’s not like she’d even messaged to say; Jane had to chase her.

If we’d all ordered and left them to it, it would have solved the hunger issue, but we’d still have been stuck waiting around for them to finish. You just move the waiting around to the other end of the meal.

did Jane or anything hint that this was usual behaviour from her?

IsawwhatIsaw · 29/09/2024 18:03

Lollipopsicle · 29/09/2024 17:47

Grow a backbone and tell your friend that you don't like this woman and why, and you have no wish to meet up. Problem solved.

This comment nails it .

DoneAndNotDusted · 29/09/2024 18:04

Robogob - love it!

I no longer have the patience to hang around waiting to order when someone is very late. Seriously, I would have said "I think it's time to order, don't you?" and if they didn't, I'd have left,...so I probably wouldn't have met Marian in the first place! I don't understand people just waiting and waiting.... maybe I'm just rude though!

In your situation OP, I would probably say what others have said ie. Marian isn't my type of person, and that I'd like to see Jane on her own especially as it isn't very often we would meet up.

ciderhouserules · 29/09/2024 18:08

FFS OP - 'do i have to grin and bear it?' Do you always do as you're told? Hmm

How about you say to your friend - 'look, I didn't really like her, how about we just meet up just you and me?'

Does your friend 'need' lots of people around her at all times? (Some people do, I suppose) If so, I think I'd be dropping her as a friend(As we wouldn't have much in common any more).

IreneGoodnight · 29/09/2024 18:10

Jane's embarrassed that Marian didn't live up to her great billing.
Jane thinks you might be doubting her character judgement and wants a second chance to show you what great company she keeps these days.
Marian realises what a dick she was and is currying favour with Jane in a ludicrous way.
Jane and Marian are scratching each other's backs for some reason?
Going forward: You are not obliged to enjoy the company of a friend of a friend - even if they're actually quite nice.
Three is an awkward social number. Invariably someone ends up on the outside looking in. Make sure it's not you!

BucketBouquet · 29/09/2024 18:11

FFS OP - 'do i have to grin and bear it?' Do you always do as you're told?

No, I don’t. But I do have this funny little habit of trying to avoid upsetting my oldest friends unnecessarily.

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localnotail · 29/09/2024 18:12

I would go against the grain here and give gobby Marian another chance. Maybe she was so chatty because of being nervous/ guilty she was late, and had to meet new people? Maybe she is a bit ND and is not great at being likeable at the first meeting. Your friend likes her, so she clearly has something good about her? Meet her again in a calm relaxed environment, and if its still the same as the first time - tell Jane you dont think its a goer.

Edited to add: not all good people are good at making good first impression.

Figleafpants · 29/09/2024 18:18

BucketBouquet · 29/09/2024 18:11

FFS OP - 'do i have to grin and bear it?' Do you always do as you're told?

No, I don’t. But I do have this funny little habit of trying to avoid upsetting my oldest friends unnecessarily.

Not wanting to spend time with a stranger you met only once through a mutual friend isnt "upsetting anyone" though is it?

Would you have an expectation that your friends MUST also be friends with other people you know? If they expressed to you that they werent really their cup of tea would you be super upset about it?

I think you are blowing this up into a bigger deal than it needs to be. You didnt even know this person a few weeks ago, now it sounds like you feel obliged to make friends with her just because Jane likes her. You really dont.

bringslight · 29/09/2024 18:23

Marian will like anyone who will just sit and listen to her

RoseGoldEagle · 29/09/2024 18:25

I second the posts saying that Marian hasn’t actually said she wants to meet you, and that Jane is just trying to engineer this to make it easier to meet friends at the same time. (No offence meant- you sound great! But I can’t see someone this self-centered volunteering that she thought someone else was great and she’d like to meet them again. More likely Jane said ‘what did you think of OP- she’s great isn’t she?’ And Marian said ‘oh yeah, sure, she seemed nice’ and Jane has run with it for her own reasons).

SecondDesk · 29/09/2024 18:26

Life is way too short to spend time with rude people you don't have much in common with on purpose.

I would be direct with Jane and say that as you don't see each other very much, you would rather it was the two of you.

Maybe rude, self absorbed late friend has fomo? Rather than a great desire to see you again, they probably would like to geg in when Jane does. Jane's friend sounds insufferable, so I wouldn't.

If I was ever in the position of meeting up in a group with them again, I would say meeting at X for drinks and y time for food. Then I would stick to that.

How was the bill split?

hillroad · 29/09/2024 18:34

how old set you both op?

I reckon Jane was just chatting, chewing the fat and doesn’t actually really care either way with you and Marion ever get together again!

hillroad · 29/09/2024 18:36

BucketBouquet · 29/09/2024 18:11

FFS OP - 'do i have to grin and bear it?' Do you always do as you're told?

No, I don’t. But I do have this funny little habit of trying to avoid upsetting my oldest friends unnecessarily.

i doubt she’ll care

ok if you were local, and in your teens and socialising as a group was something you all did together every weekend… sure

but you’re not local
you’re not in your teens
you and her get together 4/5 times a year, so next time invite her to yours and i’d wager that Marion isn’t even mentioned

IlooklikeNigella · 29/09/2024 18:44

Not a big deal. My two besties can't stand each other. I didn't realise initially but it's totally obvious there is no warmth when the others name comes up in conversation. I don't know why and I don't care. They are great friends to me and don't need to like each other.

I'd just make excuses and avoid seeing Rude Woman again. Your friend will stop suggesting it. She sounds like she's a little in awe of this woman and wanted to show her off to you.

BreatheAndFocus · 29/09/2024 18:45

BucketBouquet · 29/09/2024 16:06

This is what I find so odd! Marian doesn’t seem like Jane’s sort of person at all. I know most of us are never going to like all our friends’ friends and partners, but this whole friendship doesn’t make sense to me.

Perhaps Jane is the only one that’ll put up with Marian’s rudeness and verbal diarrhoea? Marian could be buttering her up so that Jane continues to meet up with her and give her the audience she craves.

Or - and this would be a genuine worry - Marian is a bit of a bully and has pushed her way in and Jane is too timid or polite to say anything while Marian walks all over her. From what you’ve said, it looks like Marian might be trying to push in on Jane’s friendship with you too by pretending she liked you. I notice that Jane didn’t want to order until Marian had arrived, even though she was really late. It seems Marian likes to be in charge, even if only indirectly.

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