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To not want to meet up with this rude woman?

216 replies

BucketBouquet · 29/09/2024 14:59

My oldest friend, Jane, recently moved back to her university city; partly for personal reasons, but also because she was offered a job there. She hadn’t been working for a while when she got this job, so is playing catch-up financially, but she decided to treat herself to a birthday night out last weekend. I travelled to join her.

Jane has quite a few friends in this city who I haven’t met before. She was excited for me to meet them, but singled out one in particular, Marian. She was saying she just knew we’d get on great, she’s so lovely etc.

Anyway, we go out for Jane’s birthday meal. After about ten minutes, Marian and her boyfriend haven’t arrived. We order wine, but say we’ll wait for them to order the food. Ten minutes turns into 20, then 25… still no sign, not even a “sorry, running late” text. The waiter has been back asking if we know when we’ll be ready to order, then to try to sell us more wine (which Jane very quickly said no to, which I’m 90% sure was down to budget). I suggest it’s time to ring Marian and check she’s definitely still coming. Jane does; Marian says the traffic is terrible, but they’ll be there any minute. 10 more minutes pass; everyone is hungry and in need of a drink. I say I’ll treat us to some Prosecco as it’s a special occasion (mainly to pacify the waiter, who’s clearly concerned about a table for eight having been there over half an hour without ordering).

Marian and her boyfriend finally arrive 45 minutes late. Not a word of apology; just babble about the traffic, you wouldn’t believe it… no attempt to even pick up a menu. Jane’s clearly waiting for a pause in the monologue that I sense isn’t coming, so I say “Sorry to interrupt, but I think we really need to order; they’ve been over a few times now”. Marian umms and ahhhs over every bloody menu item like she’s got all day, rather than being 45 minutes late and having pissed everyone off. She eventually orders.

But the rudeness didn’t stop there. The woman barely paused for breath throughout the entire meal. We had chapter and verse on her job, their flat, her hobbies… she didn’t ask anyone else a question or show any interest. I didn’t even hear her wish Jane a happy birthday. (If you’re wondering about the boyfriend, he barely said a word. I don’t know if he was just ignorant or has been stunned into silence by living with Robogob.)

Anyway, yesterday Jane rang me. She thanked me again for coming down - but then said, “Oh, I meant to say, Marian really liked you! She wants to know when you’re coming down again so we can all go out”. I’m baffled, frankly. I don’t know how she could either like or dislike me; she never stopped talking for long enough for me to speak to her, and she certainly wasn’t interested in getting to know me (or anyone else). I can’t understand why on earth she’d want us to meet up.

I’m hoping the idea will just fall by the wayside, but if Jane pushes it I’ve no idea what to say. She’s such a kind person and clearly sees something in this woman; I don’t fancy telling her that the “lovely” friend she was so keen for me to meet is, in fact, a total arsewipe. Do I just grin and bear it?

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BucketBouquet · 30/09/2024 16:24

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I don’t remember specifying that I was only interested in female perspectives. I asked for opinions by starting the thread; I didn’t put caveats on that.

I do think repeatedly stating the same perspective, even when the OP clearly doesn’t agree, is odd though.

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hillroad · 30/09/2024 16:27

BucketBouquet · 30/09/2024 16:24

I don’t remember specifying that I was only interested in female perspectives. I asked for opinions by starting the thread; I didn’t put caveats on that.

I do think repeatedly stating the same perspective, even when the OP clearly doesn’t agree, is odd though.

but you didn’t say you didn’t agree until now 🤷

VimesandhisCardboardBoots · 30/09/2024 16:27

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Christ, lets not derail a second thread with that conversation.

Edit: Never mind, it's the same thread!

hillroad · 30/09/2024 16:29

VimesandhisCardboardBoots · 30/09/2024 16:27

Christ, lets not derail a second thread with that conversation.

Edit: Never mind, it's the same thread!

Edited

yup

SiobhanSharpe · 30/09/2024 16:34

A few years ago I joined in with a group of women (invited) and had a really good time going out with them.
But there was one woman in the group who only came along every so often who reminds me of Marian. She is only interested in herself and her circumstances, to which we are all treated regularly, in great detail.
I once made the mistake of interrupting her. I got the death stare for a second or so then the monologue continued. She doesn't like me now.
It turns out the others are not unsympathetic to our 'Marian' as in they tolerate her but recognize she's not the easiest person. I keep my distance if she's present.

saraclara · 30/09/2024 16:49

There was a Marian in my life. Then one day, after an evening at the pub together, I realised that she hasn't stopped talking at me the whole time. About her job, her family, herself. In ridiculous detail about her colleagues, the contracts she was working on etc etc. And in one of those voices that you can't ignore. I couldn't get a word in and she didn't ask me a single thing about my life. And I decided I'd had enough.

Fortunately she doesn't live locally, and after a few invitations from her that I 'couldn't make' I've heard no more from her.

My best friend is friends with her and is able to just shrug her behaviour off and find it vaguely amusing. He knows how I feel about her though, and discussing her with him has never been awkward.

PeachMoose · 30/09/2024 17:32

I didn't mind Marians so much when I was younger...

having someone dominating meant I didn't have to talk myself, as I felt quite self-conscious and introverted and didn't want to talk about myself.

But now it's just annoying... especially given limited time and resources.

I definitely think there's a connection with ND.... not reading the room and having this flow of (irrelevant) thoughts which absolutely have to be unleashed.

I'm brave 😎 💪 so sometimes I try to get the Marian to switch topics. But often they genuinely don't seem to have that cognitive capacity.

I actually attended a group of 3 with a male Marian in. He's part of a wider hobby group I'm in.

As a group of 3, he'd organised and was technically host. The other person was new to both of us.

I arrived last (I was on time, just they were early) and Mr Marian was already in full flow with at the new person.

No effort to greet me, no introductions, I felt like some random person who had gatecrashed a private conversation!

I tried to interject/ask questions but Mr Marian just refused to cease the stream-of-consciousness.

He tried to redo the night out and no-one turned up...It's a shame as I'm genuinely open to make new connections, and I'm quite a good ally in getting a group together.

Mr Marian has been fine 1-1 sometimes but I think the verbal intensity needs to be diluted in a wider group!

121Diet · 30/09/2024 17:37

Marian is jealous of your friendship and wants you to know she is the boss. Never seen her again unless it's a party etc.

AAudreyHorne · 30/09/2024 17:48

Hahaha
Robogob is what all my primary school teachers called me!!

Disclaimer: I am not Marian.

MelodyMalone · 30/09/2024 18:00

AAudreyHorne · 30/09/2024 17:48

Hahaha
Robogob is what all my primary school teachers called me!!

Disclaimer: I am not Marian.

Are you sure 😂

Stigolini · 30/09/2024 18:02

"Robogob" 😁😁😁

Figleafpants · 30/09/2024 18:32

Either way, I don’t think I’m weird for thinking it’s best to avoid any meet-up without telling someone I really care about that I’d rather walk under buses than spend time with someone she really likes

Come on now. Noone suggested telling Jane that Marian is a fcking insufferable bitch and they'd rather be run over by a bus than see her again.

People have suggested lots of benign phrases such as "thanks Jane, but she's not really my cup of tea" or, "she's not my sort of person" or, I dont think we really mesh as people but I'm glad you get on well with her" etc

There is an honest but kind/respectful middle ground here that doesnt involve lying or making up lame excuses that will then inevitably require more lying when Jane protests. I think you are making this into a bigger deal than it needs to be. I'd be surprised if Marian was even gushing about you if she's that self absorbed. I dont think Marian could actually care less.

Natwestbit · 30/09/2024 18:34

This is where you should be honest. 'Oh, no thanks Jane, I'd much rather meet you without her. To be honest I didn't take to her at all, I don't want to spend more time with her'.

Judgedontbudge · 30/09/2024 19:42

Marion said she likes you because she got to talk about herself all evening and so in her head, she had a great time. She wouldn’t even notice that she didn’t ask you anything because she can’t see past her own nose, or mouth. She probably doesn’t even know your name.
Don’t bother telling Jane that you do or don’t like Marion, don’t bother getting caught up in potential confrontation with either of them because these things always get out and you dont need the headache if it all. Just pretend, play lip service to them both and then when they try to organise something just keep saying “oh darn, busy that day/ night” they’ll soon get bored and forget the whole idea. It’s novelty at the moment as the night out was recent.

Tellysavelas · 30/09/2024 19:45

I can’t believe you all just sat there like lemons listening to Marian.

It’s allowed to turn to someone else and strike up a conversation.

LoobyDoop2 · 30/09/2024 19:56

Jane is in a new place and trying to make friends so it’s probably a bit mean to be completely honest with her about how awful Marion is. She probably knows that, deep down, but she’s lonely or scared of being lonely. I’d stick with the mildest possible “not really my cup of tea and I’d rather just catch up with you” rather than sticking the boot in.

Catandsquirrel · 30/09/2024 20:03

Agreed, order food and more booze next time!

I think it's fine to say "I'm sure she's a good friend but if I'm honest she wasn't really my cup of tea. Happy to catch up with her if it's another group thing but I'd rather just see you otherwise '

hillroad · 30/09/2024 20:43

the waiter offered the table more wine to which Jane very quickly said no to, which I’m 90% sure was down to budget)

was Jane, the birthday girl, paying for everyone?!

Laura95167 · 30/09/2024 22:13

I'd be honest with my friend. I'd say I have enough friends and I found Marian rude and distastefully late. I know you see some good in her and I'm pleased for you but I'm not keen to be in that position again

BucketBouquet · 01/10/2024 02:38

Tellysavelas · 30/09/2024 19:45

I can’t believe you all just sat there like lemons listening to Marian.

It’s allowed to turn to someone else and strike up a conversation.

We didn’t all sit there transfixed; other conversations broke out. My point was that I’d been told Marian was lovely, that I’d really get on with her… she didn’t pause for breath long enough for anyone to decide either way.

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BucketBouquet · 01/10/2024 02:38

hillroad · 30/09/2024 20:43

the waiter offered the table more wine to which Jane very quickly said no to, which I’m 90% sure was down to budget)

was Jane, the birthday girl, paying for everyone?!

No.

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BucketBouquet · 01/10/2024 02:41

Figleafpants · 30/09/2024 18:32

Either way, I don’t think I’m weird for thinking it’s best to avoid any meet-up without telling someone I really care about that I’d rather walk under buses than spend time with someone she really likes

Come on now. Noone suggested telling Jane that Marian is a fcking insufferable bitch and they'd rather be run over by a bus than see her again.

People have suggested lots of benign phrases such as "thanks Jane, but she's not really my cup of tea" or, "she's not my sort of person" or, I dont think we really mesh as people but I'm glad you get on well with her" etc

There is an honest but kind/respectful middle ground here that doesnt involve lying or making up lame excuses that will then inevitably require more lying when Jane protests. I think you are making this into a bigger deal than it needs to be. I'd be surprised if Marian was even gushing about you if she's that self absorbed. I dont think Marian could actually care less.

“Come on now” 🙄🙄🙄

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beeloubee · 01/10/2024 07:00

You have only met her once. Maybe she was nervous and over compensated. Maybe give her another chance.

beeloubee · 01/10/2024 07:02

BucketBouquet · 01/10/2024 02:38

We didn’t all sit there transfixed; other conversations broke out. My point was that I’d been told Marian was lovely, that I’d really get on with her… she didn’t pause for breath long enough for anyone to decide either way.

Maybe she gets nervous meeting new people. Your friend must have a good reason to think she's lovely. You just don't know why going on. Maybe she has something personal going on in her life right now. Yes it was poor form of her I agree, definitely, but worth giving a chance. Not much to lose by one more meeting at least.

RealHousewivesOfTaunton · 01/10/2024 07:08

This reads like one of the episodes of Colin from Accounts. They didn't put up with robogob and neither should you. She sounds extremely tiresome.