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To not want to meet up with this rude woman?

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BucketBouquet · 29/09/2024 14:59

My oldest friend, Jane, recently moved back to her university city; partly for personal reasons, but also because she was offered a job there. She hadn’t been working for a while when she got this job, so is playing catch-up financially, but she decided to treat herself to a birthday night out last weekend. I travelled to join her.

Jane has quite a few friends in this city who I haven’t met before. She was excited for me to meet them, but singled out one in particular, Marian. She was saying she just knew we’d get on great, she’s so lovely etc.

Anyway, we go out for Jane’s birthday meal. After about ten minutes, Marian and her boyfriend haven’t arrived. We order wine, but say we’ll wait for them to order the food. Ten minutes turns into 20, then 25… still no sign, not even a “sorry, running late” text. The waiter has been back asking if we know when we’ll be ready to order, then to try to sell us more wine (which Jane very quickly said no to, which I’m 90% sure was down to budget). I suggest it’s time to ring Marian and check she’s definitely still coming. Jane does; Marian says the traffic is terrible, but they’ll be there any minute. 10 more minutes pass; everyone is hungry and in need of a drink. I say I’ll treat us to some Prosecco as it’s a special occasion (mainly to pacify the waiter, who’s clearly concerned about a table for eight having been there over half an hour without ordering).

Marian and her boyfriend finally arrive 45 minutes late. Not a word of apology; just babble about the traffic, you wouldn’t believe it… no attempt to even pick up a menu. Jane’s clearly waiting for a pause in the monologue that I sense isn’t coming, so I say “Sorry to interrupt, but I think we really need to order; they’ve been over a few times now”. Marian umms and ahhhs over every bloody menu item like she’s got all day, rather than being 45 minutes late and having pissed everyone off. She eventually orders.

But the rudeness didn’t stop there. The woman barely paused for breath throughout the entire meal. We had chapter and verse on her job, their flat, her hobbies… she didn’t ask anyone else a question or show any interest. I didn’t even hear her wish Jane a happy birthday. (If you’re wondering about the boyfriend, he barely said a word. I don’t know if he was just ignorant or has been stunned into silence by living with Robogob.)

Anyway, yesterday Jane rang me. She thanked me again for coming down - but then said, “Oh, I meant to say, Marian really liked you! She wants to know when you’re coming down again so we can all go out”. I’m baffled, frankly. I don’t know how she could either like or dislike me; she never stopped talking for long enough for me to speak to her, and she certainly wasn’t interested in getting to know me (or anyone else). I can’t understand why on earth she’d want us to meet up.

I’m hoping the idea will just fall by the wayside, but if Jane pushes it I’ve no idea what to say. She’s such a kind person and clearly sees something in this woman; I don’t fancy telling her that the “lovely” friend she was so keen for me to meet is, in fact, a total arsewipe. Do I just grin and bear it?

OP posts:
saltysandysea · 29/09/2024 15:59

Marian liked you as you were a fresh ear listening service and Jane's friend.

I know and have worked with people like this. There is no hope. I know one couple who will talk incessantly about themselves (but rarely to each other interestingly). If they ask something about you it is to turn it around to them. I worked with someone at work who would be talking on a call till 7pm at night - about everything & nothing.

BlackberrySky · 29/09/2024 16:00

I think now is the time to say Marian isn't your cup of tea, rather than letting it go any further. As a PP said, Jane probably likes the idea of the three of you being friends, but that isn't going to happen, and that's fine. No need to go into all the details, just say she's not your kind of person.

Leopardprintlover101 · 29/09/2024 16:01

Just tell your friend you found her a bit much and would rather spend time together just the two of you. Say you spent a lot of time listening to her, and maybe she’s lovely but if you visit Jane it’s Jane you want to spend time with!

LadyMonicaBaddingham · 29/09/2024 16:02

NarnianQueen · 29/09/2024 15:53

It's weird that Jane is pushing so much for the two of you to be friends... Is she trying to palm her awful friend off on you?!

That's a good point, actually

Beesandhoney123 · 29/09/2024 16:04

My guess is Marian couldn't pick you out of a line up and just said this to Jane to keep her happy. Or nothing at all was said.

Say yes you'll be happy to visit Jane again, if you are, perhaps afternoon tea for two? Or a visit to a national Trust place?

zeitweilig · 29/09/2024 16:04

Just be honest and tell her you didn't really enjoy M's company and you'd rather not spend time with her again.

BucketBouquet · 29/09/2024 16:06

hillroad · 29/09/2024 15:32

what is going on in Jane’s life that she thinks this woman is really nice and a good friend?!

This is what I find so odd! Marian doesn’t seem like Jane’s sort of person at all. I know most of us are never going to like all our friends’ friends and partners, but this whole friendship doesn’t make sense to me.

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queenMab99 · 29/09/2024 16:06

Perhaps Jane is doing a sort of reverse 'Wendy' on you, and trying to palm Marion off on you, because she is sick of her rudeness!

Healingsfall · 29/09/2024 16:08

Wildywondrous · 29/09/2024 15:41

Have you changed the names in your story and if so is Marian really named Michelle?
If so I know her.

There's nothing wrong with telling Jane you don't wait to meet up with her again, why spend time and money socialising with someone you don't like.

Ooo this would be interesting if you knew her 😬

user5883920 · 29/09/2024 16:09

Is your friend Jane a bit of a people pleaser? If so, it would explain why she loves Marian so much. Marian is overwhelming and dominant and it sounds like your friend Jane is weirdly in awe of her. It sounds like she's trying to curry favour with Marian because Marian has deigned a wish to see you OP, and Jane is desperately trying to make that happen to appease Marian.

It honestly sounds like Jane is under Marian's thumb and is completely blind to how narcissistic Marian actually is.

People like Marian target people like Jane because they can manipulate them easily. The problem here is, if you express a desire never to see Marian ever again your friend Jane will be gutted because she'll then feel like she cant meet Marian's expectations so expect Jane to feel a bit put out by you not being part of the Marian fan club.

You definitely shouldn't grin and bear it, if you meet up again with them it will then become an expectation and it wont ever end. I would simply say to Jane, yeah sorry Jane, but Marian isnt really my type of person so I think its best we meet just the two of us.

Jane wont be too happy about this but tough, just because she is under her spell doesnt mean you have to be too.

muddyford · 29/09/2024 16:12

Could you just say that you didn't really get a chance to speak to Marian so would rather any get-together was you and Jane, so the two of you can catch up.

Staunchlystarling · 29/09/2024 16:16

user5883920 · 29/09/2024 16:09

Is your friend Jane a bit of a people pleaser? If so, it would explain why she loves Marian so much. Marian is overwhelming and dominant and it sounds like your friend Jane is weirdly in awe of her. It sounds like she's trying to curry favour with Marian because Marian has deigned a wish to see you OP, and Jane is desperately trying to make that happen to appease Marian.

It honestly sounds like Jane is under Marian's thumb and is completely blind to how narcissistic Marian actually is.

People like Marian target people like Jane because they can manipulate them easily. The problem here is, if you express a desire never to see Marian ever again your friend Jane will be gutted because she'll then feel like she cant meet Marian's expectations so expect Jane to feel a bit put out by you not being part of the Marian fan club.

You definitely shouldn't grin and bear it, if you meet up again with them it will then become an expectation and it wont ever end. I would simply say to Jane, yeah sorry Jane, but Marian isnt really my type of person so I think its best we meet just the two of us.

Jane wont be too happy about this but tough, just because she is under her spell doesnt mean you have to be too.

Good grief, what a load of overthinking tosh 😂

Wonderballs · 29/09/2024 16:16

I would tell Jane a couple of objectively true things in a calm way. E.g. “I’m not good with people who aren’t punctual. Feel free to tell Marian I’m busy if it’s awkward.”
Do you have a particularly interesting job or something else Jane might have told Marian about? Perhaps she wants to cultivate a friendship with you for some reason.

hillroad · 29/09/2024 16:17

BucketBouquet · 29/09/2024 16:06

This is what I find so odd! Marian doesn’t seem like Jane’s sort of person at all. I know most of us are never going to like all our friends’ friends and partners, but this whole friendship doesn’t make sense to me.

oh i’m guessing this was a one off and aside from this… Marion is very pleasant and a good friend to Jane

either way… sounds like you’re not local to Jane so unlikely to be something that comes up anytime soon

Plantparent · 29/09/2024 16:17

Do you think Marian may have ADHD? I have it myself and I can really identify with the poor timekeeping/being a motor mouth etc...Not that it excuses it of course but may be an explanation!

Demonhunter · 29/09/2024 16:18

Robogob is going to be my new favourite insult 🤣

honeyrider · 29/09/2024 16:23

Demonhunter · 29/09/2024 16:18

Robogob is going to be my new favourite insult 🤣

Robogob is the perfect description - thanks OP, I'm going to start using it for one of my sisters who never stops talking to let others speak.

FerienInLipizza · 29/09/2024 16:23

Demonhunter · 29/09/2024 16:18

Robogob is going to be my new favourite insult 🤣

Same. I'm stealing robogob too. 😆

NameChanged9 · 29/09/2024 16:24

ANightingaleSang · 29/09/2024 15:11

She sounds a nightmare. You're not being unreasonable. Your post is also very well written, you had me hooked ☺️

@BucketBouquet
Absolutely this.

Your writing style is great - had me hooked too!

BucketBouquet · 29/09/2024 16:25

hillroad · 29/09/2024 15:50

how often do you envisage getting together with Jane in her hone city if you’re no longer local to one another?

This is why I thought maybe I should grin and bear it - it’s not like if we still lived down the road from one another and Jane wanted to invite Marian out every week (God forbid!)

On the other hand, the distance could be a handy excuse if I tell Jane I’d rather see her one on one this time because I don’t get to spend time with her that often.

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Saschka · 29/09/2024 16:25

I don’t believe Marian said anything of the sort honestly! Either Jane is trying to engineer a friendship, or she is the kind of people-pleaser who feels the need to make this kind of thing up. I have known a couple of people who have felt the need to make up this kind of thing because they think their rude friend ought to have said it out of politeness, and they are covering up Rude Friend’s lack of social graces. A white lie, albeit a totally pointless one.

tryingagaintoday · 29/09/2024 16:29

I had friends who were a married couple who were like this. Clearly thought of themselves as nice, good, kind people but utterly obliviously selfish. They would pull shit like this, and worse, all the time. Steer clear, is my advice.

PrincessOlga · 29/09/2024 16:30

I would just say something to Jane like, you know, I must be growing old, but I am becoming such a fuddy-duddy. I just cannot abide any new people at all and only ever want to meet up with my old friends. I have even started going to bed early with a book! My [partner] says I am turning into my grandmother and I think my [partner] is right! How about we just meet up, you and I, sometime...?

randomflumpsy · 29/09/2024 16:30

On the other hand, the distance could be a handy excuse

The problem with making up excuses like this is- what if Jane says "oh no! I dont mind Marian coming along at all, - we can still catch up with her there, I trust her and I'm sure she'd love to get to know you better".

I think you need to spell it out that Marian is not your type of person. There is no other way of sugar coating this as Jane will just brush the distance thing off and say "the more the merrier". Then, what?

You arent obliged to be best buddies with every friend of a friend. It's perfectly ok to say that you dont mesh with someone.

Bestyearever2024 · 29/09/2024 16:33

I'd have ordered food after 20 mins and Robogob could catch up once she deigned to arrive

I'd just say no to any future meets that RG is involved with

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