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Partner won’t marry me

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Everythingwillbeokk · 29/09/2024 13:06

Partner simply refuses to marry me. He is divorced, has 2 kids. I have never been married, also have 2 kids.

Together for 5 years, lived together for 3. I’ve made it clear I want marriage and commitment, he has made it clear he doesn’t - states he only ever wanted to get married once and it didn’t work out

He also refuses to commit to buying a house together and states it is because he wants only his children to benefit from his estate when he dies. I contribute to his mortgage and when I have really pushed the ‘if you died tomorrow what would you expect?’ He has literally said he would want me to continue paying the entire mortgage and if/when I sell then the entire equity falls to his children - I have told him this will therefore leave me in a position where I will potentially be homeless and elderly. Also he has a good pension set up, again he would not want me to benefit from this in the event of his death.

So I’ve given him an ultimatum - I’ve told him that if there’s no marriage, no commitment in any way, house purchase etc - then I am leaving. I have also started looking at rentals/smaller houses I can buy (I have a small deposit and a good income, I actually earn more than him)

Please someone tell me I am not BU 😓

OP posts:
AnnoyedAsAllHeck · 01/10/2024 15:08

Hyperbowl · 30/09/2024 00:00

You are exceptionally boring and it is absolutely transparent that you are just a deeply unpleasant person with a disturbingly incessant need just to be nasty. All you have done is consistently post with a lame attempt to distort the information the OP has given and create your own narrative, all of it purely fictional to be spiteful. It’s frankly painfully embarrassing to read. The OP has already politely indicated that your opinions are not welcome or regarded and yet you are relentless in your torrent of malicious, finger pointing waffle. Why on earth do you think she needs to justify herself to you? Unbelievably crass and entitled.

Mumsnet is designed to offer help to people in vulnerable positions such as the OP. You’re not providing any form of help and assistance - constructive or otherwise so do everyone a favour and just bow out disgracefully and let people who actually have a basic grasp of emotional intelligence support the OP. Thanks.

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You put that so much nicer than I could have. I hadn't gotten to your post yet and was already planning my "banning" so I could go off on the ugly being posted.

Thank you for keeping me from getting kicked. It would be nice if MNHQ would be as quick to ban the bullies as they are to ban the defenders of the bullied.

AnnoyedAsAllHeck · 01/10/2024 15:15

Lotus125 · 29/09/2024 22:19

I was in the same position last year! A year on…I’ve bought a house for me and my son, we got a dog too and haven’t looked back, living our best lives! It’s not always easy but it will be worth it! You deserve someone who is looking out for you too not just his own. You got this.

YEA!!!! Congratulations! I'm so happy for you!

Not much worth having is easy, but it does make life sweeter when you come into your own and give yourself happiness!

Startinganew32 · 01/10/2024 15:16

Keeping my fingers crossed for the house, OP. You deserve it.
I can’t believe people think it’s okay to exploit others just so that their own children can get something.

80smonster · 01/10/2024 15:16

Everythingwillbeokk · 01/10/2024 14:57

And so it begins…… I think he is starting to panic. I’ve had a message from him, he’s reluctantly agreeing for me to leave, but wants to talk because he’s stressed at work and this isn’t helping him.

I know - my heart bleeds too…..

On a further note ladies - the house is still available!! I’m going viewing later this week. Small steps.

Surely the response is ‘I don’t have anything to say that hasn’t already been discussed. You’ve made your feelings clear - as have I’.
’Reluctantly agreed I can leave’ sorry what the actual fuck? Are you a hostage or a girlfriend?

HomeTheatreSystem · 01/10/2024 15:19

Owly11 · 01/10/2024 14:34

@HomeTheatreSystem he has said to OP that it is in his will - see OPs update - a lifetime interest. If that's true it means she can live in it for the rest of her life. If he dies tomorrow that's potentially a very long time, for what is quite a short relationship. Totally legally enforceable. I think it's pretty generous. I wouldn't want my kids to have to wait 30, 40, 50 years for a short term partner to die before they got their inheritance when they could have it sooner and get themselves on the property ladder.

Sorry, I've read OP's posts and can't see the word "will" mentioned anywhere. He's made verbal assertions about future benefits to her in the event of his death, as people are wont to do in order to persuade others to do things for them, and which they have no intention of honouring.

Hedgewitch123 · 01/10/2024 15:21

Owly11 · 01/10/2024 09:52

So you have a lifetime interest in his property. That's quite a big difference from what you initially said, and demonstrates that you misunderstood the situation. Will you update your view of him in light of that? In my view he is being pretty generous. I am not sure why you think he should give you his money, especially as you are keen to let us know that you have more money than him. He has children and they should inherit. He is not leaving you high and dry if he dies, he is making sure you are looked after for life. All he is ensuring is that when you die his kids get his money, which is what any sensible father would do. Keeping finances separate is a completely reasonable path to take when both parties have kids from before the relationship.

Oh bore off.... op is not getting a good deal at all.

I don't get women like you. What is the deal,with all this breadcrumb misogyny and misogynist sympathising on this thread!

Op youre doing amazing, ignore the haters. Either men or cockpecked women who think accepting crumbs is acceptable and should've grateful

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 01/10/2024 15:22

Edited out as I lost the quote I wanted to reply to.

AnnoyedAsAllHeck · 01/10/2024 15:23

Everythingwillbeokk · 29/09/2024 23:54

Wow. Please let it go.

I don’t need to justify my own awareness of where my kids thoughts are to anyone. My kids are ok because I’ve brought them up to be strong well rounded little individuals and we sit and chat about our day and our feelings often - they know their mum is their safe space and they don’t have to pretend around me.

I agree with you. Your kids will be fine. I am betting there was an undercurrent of tension in the home for quite a while, and they will be relieved to not have to try and pretend it wasn't there or slough it off as NBD.

You sound like an excellent Mom and you three will be fine.

Please take him off the car insurance, get your valuables to your Mom's/into storage, before dickhead absconds with them, and I hope you soon find a place to live. Or squeeze into Mom's. I don't trust the dickhead at all. Please stay safe.

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 01/10/2024 15:24

HomeTheatreSystem · 01/10/2024 15:19

Sorry, I've read OP's posts and can't see the word "will" mentioned anywhere. He's made verbal assertions about future benefits to her in the event of his death, as people are wont to do in order to persuade others to do things for them, and which they have no intention of honouring.

The OP wrote, amongst other things, at around 6.00am this morning:
"In terms of him expecting me to pay the mortgage on his death - he has said (but never proven I will add), that his Will states I have a lifetime interest in the property, and that I would be paying the mortgage to continue to live there - he said ‘you would be paying rent anyway’ - one I have always been clear on (as much as his view on marriage) is that I need to be an owner or joint owner of a property and actually the idiot has very clearly failed to realise he would have been in a far better financial position, with a better home for his children had he done that with me"

OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 01/10/2024 15:24

Is there any chance you can view the property sooner then ' later this week '

where I live rentals can be gone within hours.

edited to add - or is it the agent that is doing the viewings later this week, and you will be one of the first over the doorstep.

Hedgewitch123 · 01/10/2024 15:24

HomeTheatreSystem · 01/10/2024 13:57

The man is beyond dim: he did not say "my will gives you life interest provision in this house", he simply told her verbally that his kids will let her stay on in the house were he to die and as long as she continues to pay the mortgage. There is no way that is enforceable after his death unless it's in his will. If his kids inherit and want to sell the house they can, making OP homeless.

I think they are trolling op. Or haven't read how mean and nasty he is in other ways, apart from this.

Whoever thinks this is a Good deal for op and her children abd is basis of a loving relationship... I feel sorry for. Need to set Barr higher for themselves.

Especially how much op spends and cleans. I mean that in itself is reason to leave.

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 01/10/2024 15:25

OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 01/10/2024 15:24

Is there any chance you can view the property sooner then ' later this week '

where I live rentals can be gone within hours.

edited to add - or is it the agent that is doing the viewings later this week, and you will be one of the first over the doorstep.

Edited

Yes, I was wondering that, I think that's a really good idea, @Everythingwillbeokk.

Startinganew32 · 01/10/2024 15:26

Hedgewitch123 · 01/10/2024 15:21

Oh bore off.... op is not getting a good deal at all.

I don't get women like you. What is the deal,with all this breadcrumb misogyny and misogynist sympathising on this thread!

Op youre doing amazing, ignore the haters. Either men or cockpecked women who think accepting crumbs is acceptable and should've grateful

Agree, he’s not being generous in the slightest. He’s leaving her high and dry while she finances an asset he couldn’t finance on his own. In what world is that fair? She’s supposed to be a family member if they live together and she cares for his children. Yet this selfish fuck thinks it’s fine for his life partner to pay and pay but get nothing while he and his kids sit back and watch the coins roll in. This is a demonstration of how some people think they are unselfish for caring about their own children but are happy to fuck others over in the process. That’s not unselfishness- it’s just narcissism transferred to benefiting your children rather than just yourself.

Hopefully no other woman will be wanting to move in with this catch. Can’t say I’d be enticed really.

Startinganew32 · 01/10/2024 15:27

OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 01/10/2024 15:24

Is there any chance you can view the property sooner then ' later this week '

where I live rentals can be gone within hours.

edited to add - or is it the agent that is doing the viewings later this week, and you will be one of the first over the doorstep.

Edited

I would too. They get snapped up so quickly and a single mum with kids won’t be at the top of the ideal tenant list. Try to sweet talk your way into an early viewing today if you can and offer to rent on the spot if you like it. Otherwise someone else will get it.

Hedgewitch123 · 01/10/2024 15:30

Startinganew32 · 01/10/2024 15:26

Agree, he’s not being generous in the slightest. He’s leaving her high and dry while she finances an asset he couldn’t finance on his own. In what world is that fair? She’s supposed to be a family member if they live together and she cares for his children. Yet this selfish fuck thinks it’s fine for his life partner to pay and pay but get nothing while he and his kids sit back and watch the coins roll in. This is a demonstration of how some people think they are unselfish for caring about their own children but are happy to fuck others over in the process. That’s not unselfishness- it’s just narcissism transferred to benefiting your children rather than just yourself.

Hopefully no other woman will be wanting to move in with this catch. Can’t say I’d be enticed really.

On this thread some people have really low bar as think she is on to a good thing. It's unbelievable some of the responses, they've made me really mad on behalf of op haha. She seems super resilient, resourceful and hopefully will be like water off a ducks back though.

There seems to be men trickling in with the misogyny too.

""ACCEPT THE BREADCRUMBS I OFFER WOMAN. IT IS SAGOOD DEAL TO PROVIDE FOR ME AND MY CHILDREN IN ALL WAYS, FUNDING MY CAR, MY MORTGAGE AND PAYING MY BILLS. DOING ALL COOKING AND CLEANING. WHILST LEAVING YOU WITH NO STABILITY. NOR YOUR CHILDREN. WHY ARENT YOU WORSHIPPING ME"

What is wrong with some of these people on this thread.

Abitofalark · 01/10/2024 15:31

Everythingwillbeokk · 01/10/2024 14:57

And so it begins…… I think he is starting to panic. I’ve had a message from him, he’s reluctantly agreeing for me to leave, but wants to talk because he’s stressed at work and this isn’t helping him.

I know - my heart bleeds too…..

On a further note ladies - the house is still available!! I’m going viewing later this week. Small steps.

He still thinks he's in control. He's stressed at work and at home. It's not good. I can't help thinking this will put more pressure on you and given the circumstances, it would be better for you to be out of there as soon as possible, even if it means having to camp at mum's or find a short-term place through friends or contacts. Which area of the country are you in - there might be people here or on facebook who could give you leads to something local?

Tae1 · 01/10/2024 15:39

Reluctantly agreeing to you leaving...WTF?
Does he think you were an indentured servant?
Twat.
I'll bet he is worried at the thought of parenting his children.
OP, many is the man who has proposed rather than face childcare.
Don't be that mug again.

HomeTheatreSystem · 01/10/2024 15:39

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 01/10/2024 15:24

The OP wrote, amongst other things, at around 6.00am this morning:
"In terms of him expecting me to pay the mortgage on his death - he has said (but never proven I will add), that his Will states I have a lifetime interest in the property, and that I would be paying the mortgage to continue to live there - he said ‘you would be paying rent anyway’ - one I have always been clear on (as much as his view on marriage) is that I need to be an owner or joint owner of a property and actually the idiot has very clearly failed to realise he would have been in a far better financial position, with a better home for his children had he done that with me"

Thank you! So odd, I filtered OP's posts but somehow missed this even though I started from most recent and worked back til I reached the old ones I recognised.

Abitofalark · 01/10/2024 15:40

Startinganew32 · 01/10/2024 15:27

I would too. They get snapped up so quickly and a single mum with kids won’t be at the top of the ideal tenant list. Try to sweet talk your way into an early viewing today if you can and offer to rent on the spot if you like it. Otherwise someone else will get it.

Yes but if there's a tenant occupying the house they have to give the minimum required notice and make arrangements for an agreed viewing time.

IVbumble · 01/10/2024 15:41

He was hoping his sulk mode would draw you back in to make things alright again for him.

He thinks he knows you. He doesn't - but you certainly know him now.

Keep going OP - the only way from here is UP!

gamerchick · 01/10/2024 15:43

The tears are coming. It should give enough Ick to see you through the love bombing. Good luck OP.

Mugcake · 01/10/2024 15:44

Fingers crossed you get the property!

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/10/2024 15:45

AnnoyedAsAllHeck · 01/10/2024 14:49

To me, it sounds like the only time the dickhead ever wavered was when he thought he could get his paws on more of her money. He knew she wasn't money focused, but HE always was. His and hers is what he wanted.

Sounds like he might regret it now though.

Trixiefirecracker · 01/10/2024 16:22

Good luck. Good luck. Good luck!!!! Let us know. About the house. I have all my fingers and toes crossed for you! Xxx

Salmoney · 01/10/2024 16:36

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/10/2024 15:45

Sounds like he might regret it now though.

I'm sure he'll find someone else willing to bank roll him, they always do.