Labour PIP benefit cuts

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Can someone help me please?

I'm absolutely spiraling. I've just read up about the Labour conference and everything about PIP reforms.

I'm absolutely panicking. I feel like giving up. I'm on PIP with mental health.

I do work. Part time.

Oh. I see you think it's funny as well. Since the focus is on ESA and supporting those who need help and treatment to access work I doubt if those receiving PIP need to worry but it doesn't say anything good about you or that poster that you find their concerns amusing.

Yes, they bought the pensioner vote for years. There's no reason why financially comfortable pensioners should receive a universal winter fuel payment. What is wrong is that the threshold is too low.

I doubt there'd be much on this if the threshold was high enough.

As for 'buying the pensioner vote' expect the same sympathy if Labour really do go for benefits

What is wrong is that the threshold is too low.

Yes, but this is a known known. This isn't an accident, the outcome of this low threshold is understood to be risky and dangerous - and they are wedded to it anyway.

Whatever the threshold was - and it is too low - there'd be whining entitled pensioners moaning about something being taken away. I know a good few of them. Not one expression of concern for those near the threshold - just constant whinging about that payment being taken away from their money.

You can use this excuse if you want but it doesn't divert from the reality for many pensioners.

If you do keep this and expect sympathy for benefit cuts you may find the same level you are offering now for poor pensioners coming back to you.

Well, I'm not whing, entitled or a pensioner but I have a sense of fairness that this policy offends. It offended the Labour party too until they were in striking distance of governance.

Tories went for benefits all the time. Getting rid of the UC uplift being one issue. No moaning and wailing in the DM then. Funny that.
Let’s hope that if the Tories ever win another election they’ll reinstate/increase all benefits to a decent level. Invest in public services. Level up. And we’ll hold them to it immediately.

Exactly. ETA the only people they didn't target were pensioners because they thought that's where their core vote was.

Essentially the government cannot cut any benefits because some vulnerable minority will lose out. They can’t cut taxes because the stretched middle class will moan, they can’t increase taxes on the very wealthy because they’ll up sticks and leave, they can’t make any changes to WFA because pensioners are all poor and vulnerable and heating their homes with a candle (despite 27% of pensioners being millionaires).
So how on earth are they supposed to rebuild the country ?

Well Labour are more interested in 'working people' and have a definition for that. Linked to unions

Pensioners can't strike and neither can people on benefits (well they can but not related to benefits solely), so be careful what you wish for.

There’s no real evidence to suggest that raising taxes paid by wealthier people will cause an exodus. They don’t want to uproot their lives any more than anybody else.

What we’re seeing from the new government isn’t about raising revenue; it’s about rhetoric, laying out their stall. It’s about a centre right Labour government attempting to prove that they can replace the Tory party, using those of us who are ill, disabled or otherwise marginalised as evidence of their pro-business, anti socialist stance.
It’s extremely disappointing.

Ugh these threads always bring out the best.

They always know someone who apparently is taking advantage of the benefits system for disabled whilst forgetting that the majority who receive benefits do work (not that pip has any relevance to working.)

Try not to worry OP. I get PIP. I'm just ignoring it all until I see an official policy announcement.

Not only do they always know somebody who’s taking advantage of the benefits system but that person is apparently happy to shout about it in great detail for all the world to hear.

I’ve never encountered this; it’s like a parallel universe.

A bit of common sense would show that a more humane threshold for WFA would take all the anger out of this particular cut. It seems like such an unnecessary mis-step.

The UC uplift that those of us on legacy benefits weren't entitled to. There didn't seem to be as much uproar about that.

It went to court and we lost.

Most people seem to have given the Tories years before the penny dropped that they were essentially inept. Why after 3 months are people already disappointed with this government ? As usual it’s like bloody football. No sooner has one manager been sacked, the new one is almost immediately criticised on the basis of a few matches.
Absolute short termism and an inability to delay gratification. Unless of course you’re the Conservative Party who always have the benefit of the doubt.

But are they really millionaires ?? Asset wealthy is not the same as cash in the bank wealthy🤷🏼‍♀️

He is a toad.

Yes as if you’re 8 million of assets you’re clawing yer arse skint.

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Bullshit do you have any idea how hard pip is to get and how much evidence you need

I’m on PIP and voted Labour. I’m marginally worried because that’s how I roll. I reckon I’d be more worried if the Tories had got back in seeing as it was them who started this unrest against ill and disabled people with their voucher scheme shit.

This I claim pip and work part time I use all my holidays on medical appointments. I have zero life outside of my part time job as I'm recovering from my shifts.

Pip is already incredibly difficult to get

Have they defined "working people" as "linked to unions"? I must have missed that. Do tell me where that's been stated. In any case almost anyone in employment can join a union.
I'm a pensioner who's still working self employed and part time. I don't think I have to be careful what I wish for, thank you.