Female nurses have to get changed with a male. They are told to go to another room. The man keeps the female changing room to himself. Wtaf is going on?

[TealTraybake]

Female nurses ‘forced out of changing rooms’ after complaining about trans colleague

NHS whistleblowers dubbed ‘Darlington Five’ say they feel ‘humiliated and dehumanised’

Read in The Telegraph: https://apple.news/AC7RGaXTPTYe2J4CAixEvDw

And, yeah, I agree those without their penis and testicles are still male. No one can change sex. But, my point it is that it is particularly jarring having a naked male with his erect penis out in front of you in the ladies.

I've read some of the thread and can't work out what @PiggleToes hopes to achieve by their reams of questions and refusal to engage with debate.

What they're achieving from my perspective is, I suspect, rather different from their intentions. It bemuses - and amuses - me.

Piggle, thank you from me for:

1. Providing a platform for women to express their carefully considered concerns about this ideology.

2. Providing a simple, accessible demonstration in a majority of your responses of the various ways in which these considered concerns are often misrepresented.

It's like a dumbed-down "Teach Yourself Guide to Common Misunderstandings About Gender-Critical Feminism", presented as a dialogue between "Terminally Confused Student" and "(Usually) Patient Teacher". Good to see on AIBU with the wider audience this brings.

Piggle’s in a pickle. Not for the first or last time I wager.

I disagree. If I can see someone who is clearly male walking around half naked in the women's changing rooms with a towel round his hips, I am going to feel uncomfortable and angry. I obviously can't go and whip the towel away to see whether he still has a cock and balls and then report him to HR if he does (and no doubt be reported to HR myself if he doesn't), so I have to just silently stew about it.

Sorry but that's unacceptable.

Having your male genitals removed doesn't make you any less male.

Yet, Piggletoes (supposedly a woman) is NOT interested in actual violence like that directed at women but demurs about 'hostility' in this thread towards their mysterious 'knowledge'.

Btw, a big thank you to you for being there on that night in 2017.

I really haven’t, but your many attempts to twist the narrative are noted.
And to the other pp, it is deeply misogynistic , to suggest that a woman who has an opinion must have formed that opinion solely for the approval of men.

participating in these threads really is like being in the play ground and standing up to the mean girls .

You can't draw the line anywhere sensible and even if you could, you couldn't enforce it.

Male/female is the only place you can actually draw the line.

How about we refer to such people as .....'women'?

I'm an ideas person (woman)!

Well it's an opinion that doesn't benefit any women. Literally, not a single one.

Yes, and your secret definitions are your boyfriend who goes to another school.

Apt time to go back to this…

No, you’re right, not 99%. 100%. Because essentially Gender Critical boils down to knowing humans cannot change sex. And no one, absolutely no one, actually believes that they can. Including you. Which is why you’re little foray in to word association went so spectacularly wrong.

They say ‘Boys’
You say ‘Transwomen’

And no amount of your little word soup denial can disguise that.

What do you call those lovely girls pictured in the 3) posts from @CrochetForLife above?

I don't accept PMs from anyone.

Do you think that female people cannot correctly sex a male person without seeing their genitals?

And that women who are traumatised, or even just not wanting, to be in a space designated as single sex cannot tell without seeing genitals?

Just being a male, with no further action needed, while being in a space designated as single sex for female people is 'making themselves a problem' to other women.

That's a shame you feel that way. I agree it's difficult to be in a discussion where the majority disagree with you. But I don't think most people are trying to be mean.

participating in these threads really is like being in the play ground and standing up to the mean girls .

The mean girls are the ones who think women who have been sexually assaulted should be gaslighted that misogynistic men are women, wouldn't you agree? And I do stand up to those mean girls.

There was a recent court case about it.

If there’s a third space what’s going to stop a trans woman (aka a male) out of that space? If they want validation they’ll be in there like a rat up a drainpipe.

Actually it’s an opinion based on a desire to eliminate gender based oppression. It benefits everyone, especially women.

No it isn't, don't be daft.

The mean girls are the ones who think vulnerable women and girls should be forced to undress in front of male people when they do not consent.

Yes, and your secret definitions are your boyfriend who goes to another school.

"Stop trying to make "cis" happen!"

Women and girls will still recognise a male (it's in motion; the gait, not just the voice, the male jaw, the wide philtrum, the size, adams apple, etc etc) and feel threatened. Some women and girls will genuinely feel traumatised at a male in our safe single sex space because it's about privacy and dignity away from the male gaze, not just safety aspect.

Trans ideology enforces gender stereotypes and therefore gender oppression. Can’t believe you can’t see this.

This is behind a paywall so can’t read it

Let's eliminate gender, and sex based oppression.

If we eliminate gender then we can be back where we started. People, around half of whom are male and half of whom are female. No silly regressive expectations about how they should dress or behave.

If we eliminate sex based oppression, then and only then we can have a discussion about whether we still need single sex spaces.

So why don't you go away and brainstorm how to make those things happen?