Female nurses have to get changed with a male. They are told to go to another room. The man keeps the female changing room to himself. Wtaf is going on?

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Female nurses ‘forced out of changing rooms’ after complaining about trans colleague

NHS whistleblowers dubbed ‘Darlington Five’ say they feel ‘humiliated and dehumanised’

Read in The Telegraph: https://apple.news/AC7RGaXTPTYe2J4CAixEvDw

I think piggle is typing from his mum’s basement in South Dakota.

Loving the admission there that trans women are boys/male. 🤣🤣🤣

In the light of all of the harms that have actually happened to women as a result of the removal of women’s spaces the misogyny is in caring more about the feelings of those males than the actual safety of women.

Women like you let women down precisely because you put the needs of males first. I find the fact you do that disgusting.

Totally agree. As an older women I’m finding more and more of my peers who have never been particularly feminist are being so peaked by this issue that they’re feeling almost radicalised into action for the first time in their lives.

Middle aged onset feminism really is a thing now and a lot of it is due to operation let them speak showing the TRA’s for the patriarchal homophobic misogynists that they truly are.

I believe that by law employers are required to provide facilities separated by sex.

Why then is the employer allowing access based on gender?

To be fair, X is similar now

Yep thinking they’re oh so progressive but in reality proving themselves to be penis pandering handmaidens believing men’s feelz trump the safeguarding of women. Traitors to their own sex each and every one

She did, and one TRA lied at first that they would come, and then pulled out and the argument was that the event was "biased". Because there was no one to put the TRA side. The original intention was for a debate to happen. It was effective for a time. Hashtag no debate. It's no longer effective now, because people see through it.

Great isn’t it. We can just sit back and watch it happen.

I used to use it sometimes but the Musk factor puts me off 😄

Utterly stupid, just define what you’re defending on this thread, it shouldn’t be difficult if you genuinely believe in it.

So how do the female users of the space establish whether the trans woman in question is pre or post op? Say the person is walking around with a towel around their hips.

The Musk factor has been instrumental in the change on this topic.

A third space would be the ideal but if there is not the option for that then yes the default should be with other men not women.

'hostile' = refusal to capitulate and comply with 'how many fingers am I holding up'?

It's a smell that doesn't appeal to everyone.

'educate'= refusal to capitulate and comply with 'how many fingers am I holding up'?

I can't think of any reason why a third space wouldn't work for trans people. Perhaps you could explain what the problem might be?

Two pupils at a local school actually lobbied for gender neutral facilities. I've tried to find the link, but can't - they went to the local paper. (This was in Dunfermline, Fife.) I was surprised, because all the schools in Fife (to my knowledge) actually have gender neutral facilities in addition to single sex facilities, but it may be that they'e looking for all facilities to be made gender neutral.

Both were natal females. One was NB; the other was a trans boy. The trans boy didn't want to use the female facilities because of a feeling of being male. However, the trans boy told the reporter that the male facilities didn't suit either, because being with boys emphasised their dysphoria, given the obvious differences.

I can't find the original article. In a later BBC article, both now give slightly different reasons for wanting gender neutral facilities and the pupil formerly NB is now gender fluid.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-61167271

For the benefit of fellow readers who say "what's the harm in having transwomen undress with women or use the ladies", this is the harm in having males with male genitals in female spaces, based on nothing but the male's say-so: (1)

(2)

Well in that case the person is not making themselves a problem to the other women are they?
I'm not saying it's a clearly thought through solution, I was more wondering if such a compromise had been offered and shot down by either side?

I do think - some will disagree - that while I don't believe anyone can actually change sex, there is a significant difference between someone who's been living as a woman for years, been through all the treatments and surgeries, etc, and Big Dave in a wig. However, (a) where do you draw the line, and (b) how do you enforce it?

Well in that case the person is not making themselves a problem to the other women are they?

They're not "other women". They are women, and the male is a male. And yes they are making themselves a problem because women don't want to change in front of males, whatever identity they feel they have.

(3) Just several of the enormous cache of males exposing themselves to vulnerable women and girls under the guise of 'transwoman' (which now, means a fully natal post-pubertal male with penis and testicles).

Also, this: "Transgender man with an erect penis waits in line to use a cubicle in a women’s restroom in Burlington, Massachusetts. In the video he glances at the women (who are heard in the background) and turns his camera, appearing to prepare to take a discreet photo of the women."
Video - https://x.com/OliLondonTV/status/1674501004174278656

Remember: any post-pubertal male with his penis and testicles who wants to get his penis - often erect penis, out in front of women and girls in the ladies, is nothing but a SEXUAL PREDATOR. Pure, plain and simple.

'Pp’s on this thread have made it clear they call trans women “men”, “boys” , “male”.'

For those reading along, this is what happens when people have a personal investment in supporting male people's philosophical beliefs that those male people are 'female'.

You get these sorts of statements. These male people are MALE people. Even if they have had their penises and testes removed, they are MALE people.

When you come across a poster who frames the correct sexing of a male person as being male, you do need to ask why that is. In this case, it could be because we are talking about male people in female changing rooms.

If there was no issue that even made the poster uncomfortable, they would be very happy with the statement that some 'male people' should be allowed to use the female single sex spaces. That would at least be an honest position.

Instead, they will claim that these male people are no longer 'male people.' That somehow they simply and materially no longer have a male body. ie one formed around the production of small gametes regardless of whether those gametes have or will be produced. This requires testes in any form.

Many males with trans identities fully accept that they are male people. And we know, many also respect female people and will not use the female single sex spaces. Therefore, any 'ally' who speaks for transgender people need to acknowledge that they are speaking for those who have extreme demands.

That they demand that they are treated as if they changed sex.

Why?

Because it is their philosophical belief that they are female.

What other philosophical beliefs do we treat as material reality and make significant safeguarding changes to policy for?

Oh dear, you’ve got yourself in a right pickle haven’t you?