Female nurses have to get changed with a male. They are told to go to another room. The man keeps the female changing room to himself. Wtaf is going on?

[TealTraybake]

Female nurses ‘forced out of changing rooms’ after complaining about trans colleague

NHS whistleblowers dubbed ‘Darlington Five’ say they feel ‘humiliated and dehumanised’

Read in The Telegraph: https://apple.news/AC7RGaXTPTYe2J4CAixEvDw

Nicely sidestepped. The point is that trans women are the ones who want to be accepted into these spaces, despite natal women objecting to their presence. So a third space is the solution.

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So how does this work if the person is trans and the most terrible thing is being "outed"?

Genderists mostly think she doesn't have the right to know. The dignity of female patients comes a distinct second to male "identities". And that's why it's seen as misogynistic by many.

Another thing is, if you had a specifically gender-critical only space, that would actually leave those women who use it unsafe as we've seen from the behaviour of some of the more unhinged TRAs, right? You don't often here of transwomen in the UK being attacked in toilets though, do you?

Many men also.

And no woman would defend the position that a male should get out his erect penis in front of females.

Sadly I'm afraid a few do. Laurie Penny did.

Many transpeople too. They don't all subscribe to the bollocks.

Is she the one who said that little girl being exposed to a predators penis in the spa should have simply looked away?

That's the one!

Depends how you're defining gender critical.

If you're defining it as women who identify as being supporters of the gender critical feminist movement, then no, most aren't.

If you're defining it as women who don't agree that women can have penises and don't want penises in their changing spaces then I'd say 99% is about right.

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Actually there are many cultures which are far more accepting of trans people than ours. And while being trans is not a western phenomenon, being a “gender critical” most certainly is (a particularly middle class, British one in fact).
but, in any case , since this primarily a policy debate, I was looking for a nation-state based solution - and thinking specifically of a uk context since that is the one we are discussing.

Off the top of my head: men in Scotland who transitioned in an attempt to access women and girls: Lennon/Katie Dolatowski, Andrew Burns/Tiffany Scott, Adam Graham/Isla Bryson, Andrew/Amy Miller.

Andrew Burns transitioned after being imprisoned and stalking a 13 yr old girl from prison; Adam Graham transitioned after being arrested for rape. Burns originally lived a short distance from me. Even his own brother said that he was "at it".

Notably, he transitioned after Peter Laing/Paris Green and Lennon/Katie Dolatowski (both from the same area as Burns) succeeded in accessing the female prison estate.

Andrew Miller committed his crime while dressed as a woman, claimed to have maternal feelings for his victim, but then asked to be charged as a man so as not to harm the trans community.

Why? It’s obvious that even an ally like yourself know they’re men and therefore think they ‘need’ prioritising, you can’t even define what a transwomen is for god sake! It’s ridiculous.

A third space doesn't offer the validation that they are women or yield power and control over women. It's the same reason why so many of these straight men go after lesbians. If they were to pursue and gain interest from hetro women, it's not validating their status as a woman.

I so feel for the poor lesbians caught up in all of this. I'm bisexual and the assumption that I should be willing to date any and all transpeople because I "like both" has been a real eye-opener for me. it's disgusting and I know lesbians have it even worse!

This individual knows what a transwoman is, but saying so makes their whole argument go up in smoke so they deflect and attempt to derail.

We're talking about Ruby at John Lewis and this general issue on this current thread on FWR too

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/5161355-john-lewis-allows-trans-women-into-bra-fitting-rooms-as-retailer-hit-by-furious-gender-row

So cool 😎

Bet all the boys pick you first 👏👏👏

Ms Pickup said that for the past 20 years, she had been "involved with female victims from all faiths, cultures, ethnicities, and backgrounds who have been subjected to domestic and sexual violence and psychological abuse by men".

For some, she said, work offered "the only time in their lives where they should have guaranteed female-only safe spaces free from the demands of men regardless of who those men claim to be".

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/uk-news/john-lewis-allows-trans-men-33622299

I think they might be a woman in the identify as one sense only TBH.

There are plenty of women willing to throw other women under the bus, make no mistake about that.

wow how misogynistic. 😳🙄😡.
(also I’m straight and have no interest in being “picked” by a trans woman, but that’s by the by).
Anyway I intended to see myself out of this thread a while back - third time lucky 🤣🤣

Goodness - it really is TRA bingo isn't it with all the old tropes being wheeled out:
checking genitalia,
outing men as men
separate spaces for women who know the difference between men and women
dismissing VAWG
the mumsnet bubble
along with
DARVOing all over the place. 🙄

Trans Ideology is a first world privilege. Other cultures do not accept Trans Ideology. Those that do, do so because they are homophobic. It's better to have a trans 'straight' male than a gay male. That is why trans is so popular in the few (homophobic) countries it's popular it.

That aside, there is no culture where it's acceptable for a naked male to get his erect penis out in front of female change rooms and toilets. None. None whatsoever.