Female nurses have to get changed with a male. They are told to go to another room. The man keeps the female changing room to himself. Wtaf is going on?

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Female nurses ‘forced out of changing rooms’ after complaining about trans colleague

NHS whistleblowers dubbed ‘Darlington Five’ say they feel ‘humiliated and dehumanised’

Read in The Telegraph: https://apple.news/AC7RGaXTPTYe2J4CAixEvDw

Why would females, 'gender critical' (which is 99% of all women)

you think 99% of females are gender criticals? I think you need you emerge from the mumsnet bubble.

people with penises - do all the raping. The why genitals need policing

Can you not see that?

also

What is a trans woman?

It is a violation of our safety and privacy. And even if it weren’t, the fact that natal women perceive it as such, should be enough. Otherwise they are not safe spaces are they ?

Now, to be clear, define a person with a penis and testicles.

What are they?

(I know you won't answer but I do this for the Gentle Readers that can see you desperately avoiding answering any questions you CANNOT answer in the TRA cliche mould.)

If only when people throw that line at women about getting our 'third space' there wasn't a contract to sign and we all go on our merry way.

I know who will be happier

The issue was about the risks to trans people’s safety and dignity if they are required to out themselves as trans

But some don't seem to mind outing themselves providing it's among women, so it follows that it's men's reactions they're worried about ... which explains why you've avoided every question about this, since it would involve accepting that it's men who are the risk

Interesting too that we were always told women faced no risk at all by having men in their spaces. It wasn't true, as events have inevitably shown, but somehow the same pretence is unwelcome among the trans community

Funny that ...

@PiggleToes - answer the questions

women hating women like piggletoes
😵‍💫🥴.

ok it really is time for me to see myself out xx
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Im wondering why men think single sex changing rooms are a good idea in the first place? Why is it when men are all such good guys do we need any seperate changing rooms anyway? What would the argument be for single sex changing rooms be that would magically change when a man feels like a woman on the inside?
Men generally (gay or straight) are comfortable in men’s changing rooms, so it can’t be a peeping Tom type argument. Men don’t seem care when they are on their own.
I wonder what the argument is for single sex changing rooms. Why does that argument not apply to trans people? Why are trans people not fighting to get rid of all gender/sex separated facilities if there is no need to keep men and women separate?

Naive women bending over backwards to be kind did exactly that in the beginning only to told "No Debate!". That boat has sailed. Women have found out the hard way how easily they can be shortchanged.

If you DONT think 99% of females are against gender stereotypes (hence Gender CRITICAL) and don't agree that males shouldn't be getting naked in front of women and girls, I think you are the one that needs to emerge from your echo chamber.

Almost no woman would agree to a naked male getting their male genitals out in from of women.

And you know it.

Out of interest, what would you say if no women used the trans inclusive women's changing rooms and they all chose to use the TERFy ones?

However, I can imagine a few reasons- I was wondering if you could imagine any? One reason I can imagine is around “outing”- requiring trans women to out themselves to all each time they use facilities could be a violation of their privacy, compromise their safety, and reinforce stigma and social ostricisatjon for example

Re being "outed", we are talking about nurses here. The people who look after patients yes?

A relative of mine is in her 80s and has a gynaecological cancer for which she is currently receiving radiotherapy treatment.
She goes to the hospital five days a week and she has to strip off below the waist for the treatment to take place.

If on occasion the person administering the treatment happens to be male they have assured her that she can request a female instead.

So how does this work if the person is trans and the most terrible thing is being "outed"?

Anyway, going back to the original subject, what has happened to these five nurses is exactly what Piggle recommends - they are having to use an uncomfortable, unsuitable third space because they don't want to use the "inclusive" "female" one.

I'm still unclear why the TW, who there is apparently only one of, can't use the third space.

Why can’t the man go in the small room and let the women have their changing room? Seems bonkers to me.

you think 99% of females are gender criticals? I think you need you emerge from the mumsnet bubble.

There's no "mumsnet bubble" most women simply don't want to use a communal changing room with men. Female socialisation to #bekind means it's less than 99%, but it's the majority.

how do you identify the pervs btw

Exactly, you can't . That's why we have single sex spaces, thanks for getting to the root of the problem so clearly.

So to be clear; all women and girls who want to keep males with their male cock and balls out of our spaces are 'wrong'?

And it's acceptable for males to get their cocks and erections out in front of females?

Is that your position?

(Not expecting an answer, posting to make a point).

I'm still unclear why the TW, who there is apparently only one of, can't use the third space.

Me neither, other than that women who object obviously have to be punished.

I would say 99.9% of us are critical - the worms have turned

That may be the case in your role, but not all hospitals go by this. As a nurse myself, my trust expects staff to change at work and has recently reinforced this.

Edited to say: NHSE also offer guidance that staff should be changing at work, so your local policy doesn't reflect the national guidance.

Although he is not a woman just like I'm not the Pope. Male rapists and predators post on this board, sadly. His male-toned language gives it away.

And no woman would defend the position that a male should get out his erect penis in front of females.

People who accept male people into female single sex spaces where people are getting changed have lower boundaries than those who reject male people accessing female single sex spaces.

Any male person who demands access to female single sex spaces where female people have declared they need these spaces to be single sex have shown that they cannot respect those female people and their needs. I would say that a female person who cannot recognise this probably is a great example of having lowered boundaries around sexual motivataions and activities. Not necessarily that they were predators themselves.

99% of females are gender criticals?

This language is grim. Women are not a thing.

Many do not believe in gender ideology however

If you emerged from the tiny western middle class bubble into the world of 4 billion women, that 99% would would probably be 99.99%. Humans being a dimorphic species have as little confusion about who is female and male as the rest of the mammalian species.