Female nurses have to get changed with a male. They are told to go to another room. The man keeps the female changing room to himself. Wtaf is going on?

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Female nurses ‘forced out of changing rooms’ after complaining about trans colleague

NHS whistleblowers dubbed ‘Darlington Five’ say they feel ‘humiliated and dehumanised’

Read in The Telegraph: https://apple.news/AC7RGaXTPTYe2J4CAixEvDw

What if a trans woman decides they are gc? What with them being "real women" and all?

How about if these male people simply acknowledged that they are not female and respected the needs of female people and arranged with their manager to have a space that no one else needs to be aware of?

What ever happened to people respecting that they are not female and that changing rooms were never based on a person's gender, only ever sex, which does not change?

We have. They've said transwomen are safe in the males.

Happy To Help.

No I would like to use the women and girls facilities that are inclusive of trans women and girls.

Trans don't need to be outed - it is obvious - they just don't realise we already know

Good, you can use the inclusive third space.

Aha, so third spaces are ok for trans women.

If that's a thing they want. The majority of women, according to polls, do not support them using women's spaces, so third spaces are a reasonable compromise if it's actually about safety and dignity, as claimed.

Otherwise known as unisex.

No I would like to use the women and girls facilities that are inclusive of trans women and girls.

Those people are male so those facilities are mixed sex, not in any sense exclusive to women and girls.

ah ok. Trans women think they are safe in men’s facilities, so really there’s no need at all for this debate since there aren’t any trans women and girls desperately asking to use women’s facilities. 👍🏻

They aren't asking, are they?

You offered another space as separate

You can call it what you wish but under your proposal there is a single sex provision and I and other women will take that happily.

Why would females need a 'third space' when they have the female space already?

If you have a cock and balls you have NO PLACE in with vulnerable women and girls. You use the males, or the third space, which is gender-affirming as it is specifically for trans safety.

men, the word you are looking for is men - men desperately asking to use women’s facilities

BTW

What is a trans woman?

But the reasons they desperately want to use women's spaces are often for reasons of validation are they not? Some of them like to film themselves wanking in the women's and wouldn't get the same thrill in the gents. Some of them like to record the noises women make when peeing and laugh about it online. But yes, safety is the only thing driving this particular demand.

I can't imagine anyone having an issue with unisex spaces so long as there are women only ones for those who want themS

I recognise that people who believe they are somehow "really" mentally the opposite sex in an unmeasurable internal non-physical way called "gender" exist in the same way that I recognise people who believe in god(s), or fairies, or malevolent alien overlords exist.

I do not believe people exist who objectively are the opposite sex in a non-physical way, not least because no one has ever been able to explain what that non-physical yet objective real thing is, let alone why a non-physical undetectable thing experienced only by the male sex justifies access to the single sex provisions that only exist in the first place to counteract the genuine and qualifiable consequences women face because of their physical female sex.

This!

There's no need for sensitivities around being 'outed' It's normally very clear that a male is a male, regardless of the clothes or make up he chooses to wear or the pronouns that he forces others to use.

So third spaces are the way forward to help men (or women) with dysphoria to feel more comfortable and safe ?
Not sure that anyone is actually advocating that perverts get their own way. How do you identify the pervs btw ?

The ones who are wanting to use female spaces are sexual predators.

Hence, why actual transwomen are safe with males, as the male sex with male genitals.

Only a sexual predator would want to wave his erection in front of women and girls. Ergo, they are not transwomen. Just sexual predators.

I’m asking you to define transwoman, seeing you’re the one disagreeing. Can you do that?

At the end of the day, trans women are not women and as long as they stay out of the women's changing room I don't really care. @PiggleToes may be happy to have zero boundaries, but her unfortunate lack of self respect doesn't outweigh the needs of others. @PiggleToes , feel free to use the men's so everyone knows your not a horrible terf, no-one cares.

We could simply have a requirement that these facilities are just for cis gender criticals.

So unisex then. By definition inclusive of both sexes, no matter how they identify ?

There is no such thing as "cis gender" you know it I know it we all know it

BTW

what is a trans woman?