Female nurses have to get changed with a male. They are told to go to another room. The man keeps the female changing room to himself. Wtaf is going on?

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Female nurses ‘forced out of changing rooms’ after complaining about trans colleague

NHS whistleblowers dubbed ‘Darlington Five’ say they feel ‘humiliated and dehumanised’

Read in The Telegraph: https://apple.news/AC7RGaXTPTYe2J4CAixEvDw

There are no trans people on this thread so I'm asking you because you seem to know a lot about it.

So, that the women and girls then have to publicly react in a way that will be considered transphobic and leave them open to negative treatment at work, or they have to accept a male who has been reported in this way watching them undress?

And you cannot see the significance in what you are suggesting?

What happens when the small space allocated currently to the female staff is too small for all to fit in, by the way?

What happens when the male employee demands access to the third space as well as the original space?

👍🏻

i think most trans people would be ok with a third space for “gender critical” women/ girls. But maybe I’m wrong…

The male giveaway question of "why are you obsessed with genitals" gives away the game that the poster is male and a male sexual predator. They're the only ones who would ask women, girls, and rape survivors like me, why we are 'obsessed' with a male NOT EXPOSING THEMSELVES TO US.

I literally cannot think of a bigger "YOOHOO EVERYBODY TRANSWOMAN ALERT" indicator than a penis in the women's changing rooms.

😂IKR? It's sooo 2020 isn't it

So … the women’s then ….

and leave them open to negative treatment at work

aha! So third spaces can be outing and stigmatising in ways that have consequences perhaps?

Not quite what I meant but never mind.

why aren't they OK with a third space for trans people?

BTW

What is a trans woman?

The third space is for trans, as they are the ones trying to invade the space already set up for females.

All women and girls would be ok with transwomen women having a third space that is for them only.

But if they have a cock and balls, they are not trans.

@PiggleToes would you be happy to share a changing room with Ruby?

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I’m a woman. I’m not gender critical, so it wouldn’t be for me.

That's different though, no? Assuming you mean a trans man as in a woman who identifies as male? I'd have no problem with them in a female space because they are, in fact, female.

At a uni where I teach, there is a female loo with three cubicles, a male loo I assume with cubicles and urinals, and two ‘accessible’ self contained loos which state on the signage they are for trans, people with disabilities or anyone who chooses to use them.

we (females on my team) use those ones if the others are full, we need to sort san pro, or we want a private poo.

so no more outing that a user might be trans than all those other reasons.

I really like it as a set up, and I’m glad that trans people have a choice which does protect their privacy and dignity without impacting on a single sex space.

I don't think the world owes people affirmation of something they're not.

The language of 'outing' doesn't feel relevant. They are men. Fact. There will be times where it is necessary to be honest about that.

But it's ok for NATAL WOMEN AND GIRLS to be outed in third spaces, so you can get off on males exposes themselves in the ladies?

So, to be clear: third spaces are NOT for trans.
But, they ARE for women and girls. Misogynist predator who hates women and girls.

I’m a woman. I’m not gender critical, so it wouldn’t be for me.

Your one would be the mixed sex one, wouldn't it?

Delighted, obviously.

Twitter would suggest otherwise.

I’m a woman.

No you're not. No woman wants a male to expose his male genitals in the female space, nor asks RAPE SURVIVORS why we don't want a male exposing their ERECTION to us in the females.

Aha, so third spaces are ok for trans women. But not ok for women like you? Why? What’s your issue with using a “third space”? Are you worried it might be stigmatising and outing perhaps? That it might make you feel ostracised and a target for discriminatory treatment?

Do you go into the mens to get changed?

If not why not?

BTW

What is a trans woman?

So you could use the mixed sex facilities and the women and girls their own single sex ones

Sounds good. Let's do it

A third space for women who don't want to get changed with male women wouldn't be stigmatising or have consequences if everybody just fucking accepted that it is not bigoted or transphobic for women not to want to share single sex spaces with the opposite sex and that they have the right to insist on this for their safety and dignity.

Perhaps you should stop stigmatising that.