Female nurses have to get changed with a male. They are told to go to another room. The man keeps the female changing room to himself. Wtaf is going on?

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Female nurses ‘forced out of changing rooms’ after complaining about trans colleague

NHS whistleblowers dubbed ‘Darlington Five’ say they feel ‘humiliated and dehumanised’

Read in The Telegraph: https://apple.news/AC7RGaXTPTYe2J4CAixEvDw

The trouble with a 'trans inclusive space for women who don't feel transwomen are a threat' is that once those women actually experience getting changed with a transwoman, then they often find that they feel far more uncomfortable than they expected.

Women who blithely repeat 'transwomen are women' often forget that around 95% of transwomen have a functioning penis and are sexually attracted to women.

Look up 6 foot 4 Hannah Mouncey. Mouncey's Australian teammates were all very much on board with 'transwomen are women' until they had to start showering and sharing changing rooms with someone who kept getting a boner. The poor teammates worked up courage to politely ask their coach if Hannah could change in another space and they all got publicly denounced as 'transphobes'.

Exactly the same thing happened to the poor girls (some as young as 13) who felt uncomfortable about having 6 foot 4 Lia Thomas looming over them in the showers with a boner.

It simply isn't fair on women and girls to expect them to have to change with male bodied people.

Yes just one that doesn’t require trans women to out themselves.

There's little to no danger of any "outing".

Um - a trans woman outs himself as soon as he undresses surely?

Or perhaps you imagine this putative trans woman keeping fully clothed while women undress around him, only undressing himself once alone?

Why not? As long as it's clear which one is for people with female bodies and which one is for people who identify with the same thing trans women are identifying with (whatever that is).

Feel free to think up a word for the latter group. (The word for the former group is "women", so you can't use that.)

It would be an interesting thought experiment to see how many of these women who have pronouns and call themselves "cis" would actually choose to use that space in reality.

What does that have to do with anything?

You realise males with cock and balls exist, right? And that they are not at threat among other males with cock and balls, right?

Imagine. The 'women's' changing room is suitable for 20 women. But only one 'woman' uses them.

Meanwhile the women's only changing room is suitable for 3 women. But 19 women use it.

Look out for the incoming discrimination case on the basis of sex....

They exist like people with blue hair exist.

I take issue with this reasoning though. If trans women are attempting to lie about what sex they are, that's not something they can expect the rest of the world to facilitate and cover up for them. They are men, they'll never be anything else. Facing that fact is important for honest engagement with everyone else.

Then stop being the cliche TRA and stop FLEEING the moment the questions get tough.

NONE of you ever bother to engage with questions asked.

We all know why.

You are saying it's ok for a male to get his cock and nutsack out among women and girls. What does that say about you?

Yes, on the face of it, it seems fine, as long as the rules for use are upheld. I think some transwomen might be in for a shock at how few people would want to use the trans-inclusionary women's facilties though.

Yes. That's also why genderists are so committed to not providing any women only rape services alongside "trans inclusive" ones. Because they know that most women would opt for the ones with no males in.

Unfortunately the "transwoman" in this situation gets an obvious erection while watching women undress. He's just a run of the mill pervert.

Varies by department - we don’t have a changing room on our ward. The nurses get changed in the break room and the IV fluid storage room, in cohorts. They wear scrubs so have to change before they leave.

The doctors generally wear a scrub top over normal trousers, so can change in the doctors office or toilets (different shift start and finish times to the nurses, so can’t use the break room or stock room).

Main theatres, ICU and A&E are the only areas with dedicated male and female changing rooms, as far as I know.

one is for people who identify with the same thing trans women are identifying with (whatever that is)

eh? I’m a woman. I don’t identify as trans. I would happily share spaces with trans women and girls. There are many, many women and girls like me. (We are not very vocal on mumsnet for sure, because of the abuse we get if we say anything)

Since the trans woman at this hospital outed herself by both showing and talking about her penis, presumably she could use a third space without any such concerns.

We had a trans man in our trust who ended up changing with the men but at one stage not too long ago we all changed together! Then the trans debacle raised its head and we were given separate changing rooms - no trans women around at the time - but we would have made a fuss to have our own spaces - plenty of TERFs in the NHS but they tend to keep their heads down

Then you lot could share the third space and "outing" wouldn't be an issue

If you're a woman and you say trans women are women then you must have some idea what you and trans women are both identifying with that gives you something in common.

1. Common or garden Peeping Toms
2. Sports cheats

Yes they exist.

They do not cease to exist if we don't validate them though. Transwomen don't vanish into a puff of smoke like tinkerbell if we fail to say 'I believe transwomen are women'.

Transwomen remain male regardless of how they identify. They don't cease to exist if we don't believe in gender identity.

Can we please stop it with this type of ridiculous manipulative nonsense?

Facing that fact is important for honest engagement with everyone else

so you require all trans people to out themselves?

It would be an interesting thought experiment to see how many of these women who have pronouns and call themselves "cis" would actually choose to use that space in reality.

It really would. I imagine they might have a rethink when someone like Ruby rocked up

x.com/mforstater/status/1758802681643102706

I'd say it was @PiggleToes' moral duty to use the third space to keep the trans women company and reduce the risk of them being outed.

This is a male with a COCK AND BALLS.

Are you genuinely saying you'd be happy getting undressed with a naked male with male genitals and an ERECTION in front of you?

They’re mentally ill.

which they are if they think they’re any kind of woman.

I believe most of them are porn-soaked fetishes and some others are genuinely mentally ill.

No one can be born in the wrong body or change their sex. It’s not a thing

Sorry meant to quote you @MissScarletInTheBallroom